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Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
December 16 2013 17:46 GMT
#41
On December 16 2013 17:55 Motoorhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 14:02 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
I don't think anybody can get top 50 in 1 month with their offrace. Good luck to you though but I can assure you that Pvp will make you not want to play the race.


Nerchio hit 1st place GM on EU ladder as random... So it's not impossible imho.


Nerchio was never rank 1 grandmaster as random. I know he was rank 1 a few seasons straight but this was with his Zerg. I don't think anybody can get rank 1 grandmasters as random unless its mkp who is kr GM with all 3 races and he plays on NA server.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
chadissilent
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1187 Posts
December 16 2013 20:18 GMT
#42
On December 17 2013 01:52 NonY wrote:
You forgot to write what is being wagered.

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I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races.

You know how ridiculous this is? Not because it's an established fact that protoss isn't less mechanically and strategically challenging, but because your bet isn't gonna significantly affect anyone's knowledge of the issue. At worst, the bet is gonna be used in serious arguments between idiots as if it's good evidence of some general truth.

Life is so much more fun when you get to fuck with stupid people. All I see here is a chance to confuse the dummies.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46294 Posts
December 16 2013 21:31 GMT
#43
I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races.


So if a Protoss GM player gets to GM quickly as Terran or Zerg, surely they'd be showing the same thing, right? That Terran and Zerg are easy to play, for inferior people?

Good luck in your quest to do well with another race, but your justification for trying this makes you sound like a jerk.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 16 2013 22:32 GMT
#44
On December 17 2013 06:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races.


So if a Protoss GM player gets to GM quickly as Terran or Zerg, surely they'd be showing the same thing, right? That Terran and Zerg are easy to play, for inferior people?

Good luck in your quest to do well with another race, but your justification for trying this makes you sound like a jerk.

If a protoss could do that and prove me wrong then I would retract this statement.
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46294 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 22:36:18
December 16 2013 22:35 GMT
#45
On December 17 2013 07:32 intense555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 06:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races.


So if a Protoss GM player gets to GM quickly as Terran or Zerg, surely they'd be showing the same thing, right? That Terran and Zerg are easy to play, for inferior people?

Good luck in your quest to do well with another race, but your justification for trying this makes you sound like a jerk.

If a protoss could do that and prove me wrong then I would retract this statement.


Your statement has no validity either way. All you're showing is that you're good at the game with multiple races (which is a very respectable thing to show on its own).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
December 16 2013 23:23 GMT
#46
On December 16 2013 14:20 LuckyFool wrote:
damn I thought this was a statement like it was actually done already...what a disappointment.

good luck with PvP lol.

idk what the deal is with PvP, but that matchup is so simple. People who switch just have to have an open mind and try not to play it like Terran or Zerg.
Midday
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada59 Posts
December 16 2013 23:44 GMT
#47
wao things're heating up o_O. I feel like if there's a balance issue it'll either resolve itself or get patches (although I get there can be a lot of pain in the downtime =P)

Remember guys! You don't pick the race, the race picks you.

O_O

But for real Intense, see if you can stream your protoss journey, that'd be neat to watch =O
So, let's go!
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
December 17 2013 01:01 GMT
#48
I think you're drastically underestimating how easy protoss is, and I'm speaking as a zerg.
Sure, its a little less challenging, but top 50....
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
December 17 2013 02:05 GMT
#49
Personally I don't think protoss is inherently easier to play, but the way it's being played now is easier to play than the other races, for the most part. To be honest, when zerg had BL infestor, come the late game it wasn't much different from the protoss now; not very mechanically demanding but very position oriented and you had to hit your fungals. I'm not sure why blizzard hasn't seen this correlation yet, or maybe they have and don't know how to fix it, who knows. All I know is that if they fix protoss like they fixed zerg with BL infestor then protoss could be just as mechanically demanding as the other two races, though most protosses would simply whine about it because they're used to the way it is, even though it would diversify the better players from the mediocre ones (i.e. no more 50% toss gm). Maybe I'm completely wrong though, Nony seems to think protoss is as mechanically demanding now as the other two races, and I guess I'd agree for some styles.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
December 17 2013 02:26 GMT
#50
On December 16 2013 16:11 fezvez wrote:
Good luck in breaking in top 50! Can't wait to see you stream.

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I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races


I also can't wait to hear you retract this. It will happen. You simply don't know what you are talking about, and it's surprising seeing how good you are with Terran.


Agreed on this point.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
intense555
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States474 Posts
December 17 2013 02:29 GMT
#51
http://www.twitch.tv/intensesc I will be streaming for a little bit.
Aspiring Starcraft 2 pro for @mYinsanityEU, follow me on twitter @mYintenseSC
Virium
Profile Joined June 2012
United States20 Posts
December 17 2013 03:14 GMT
#52
Nony kinda has a point there, Andy. Also, if you're still going to go through with this, you need to start with a new account, you can't just pick up from your main account's MMR is.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 04:51:27
December 17 2013 04:50 GMT
#53
On December 16 2013 13:49 intense555 wrote:
Hello, I am intense, a terran player that has been in the grandmaster league on NA server for the past 6 seasons, and a few other times long ago in WoL. Earlier today I made a bet with some ROOT/SEED members that I could achieve top 50 GM on NA server in 1 month. I know sjow tried to do this but he failed quite horribly, but I feel that I am capable of pulling this off. I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races.


Right... you mate, are an idiot.
KT best KT ~ 2014
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
December 17 2013 06:03 GMT
#54
On December 17 2013 12:14 Virium wrote:
Nony kinda has a point there, Andy. Also, if you're still going to go through with this, you need to start with a new account, you can't just pick up from your main account's MMR is.


Yes he can...if it's too hard he'll lose...if it's easy he'll keep winning!

And considering my biases I fucking love this. Show em' the truth and enjoy the opposite side of the TvP coin, intense!
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
December 17 2013 06:15 GMT
#55
Just out of curiosity, what was your average GM rank with Terran?

I think the only way this really shows anything is if you maintain a higher rank as P than you did with T, and that your "maintained" rank goes down again when you switch back to T.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
December 17 2013 06:17 GMT
#56
On December 17 2013 15:15 RampancyTW wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what was your average GM rank with Terran?

I think the only way this really shows anything is if you maintain a higher rank as P than you did with T, and that your "maintained" rank goes down again when you switch back to T.


Not really? The time period of one month says A LOT by itself, rofl...
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
December 17 2013 06:32 GMT
#57
On December 17 2013 13:50 aZealot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 13:49 intense555 wrote:
Hello, I am intense, a terran player that has been in the grandmaster league on NA server for the past 6 seasons, and a few other times long ago in WoL. Earlier today I made a bet with some ROOT/SEED members that I could achieve top 50 GM on NA server in 1 month. I know sjow tried to do this but he failed quite horribly, but I feel that I am capable of pulling this off. I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races.


Right... you mate, are an idiot.

So if he does it, what will be your argument for why it has no validity and that he is still an idiot and wrong? Just wondering.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 06:49:14
December 17 2013 06:47 GMT
#58
This is dumb. You are dumb, your thread is dumb, and I hope you lose every game.

I'm so tired of every wise ass on TL complaining about how easy to play Protoss is. If you win, brag about how you had to work twice as hard to get it. If you lose complain about the race. When a Protoss says why don't you just play Protoss, insert some condescending statement about how you're too noble to play that dirty race.

I actually did the opposite. I switched to Terran for like 3 weeks playing nothing but Terran on my ladder account. And my Terran is surprisingly good for a shitty Protoss player. And guess what? TvP was my best matchup. Because I know the ins and outs of Protoss and how to exploit them.

People with actual game knowledge can appreciate different races and different playstyles. What makes StarCraft 2 so great is that the races are very different from each other, not just the same thing with different skins. The different races lend each other to different ways of playing the game, and if you can't appreciate that you're an imbecile.

Rather than balance whining, think of things you can do differently. Professional win rates are very close to 50% so it's fair to say that the game is PRETTY balanced for having 3 totally different races.

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Zanzabarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada217 Posts
December 17 2013 06:52 GMT
#59
It isn't really "up and switching to protoss" if you have hundreds of 1v1 games played on your account as Protoss. I think a lot of people assume that you haven't practiced the race over hundreds of games to learn the hotkeys and other such things, but rather think it's some sort of cold start.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 07:08:06
December 17 2013 07:03 GMT
#60
On December 17 2013 15:32 tshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 13:50 aZealot wrote:
On December 16 2013 13:49 intense555 wrote:
Hello, I am intense, a terran player that has been in the grandmaster league on NA server for the past 6 seasons, and a few other times long ago in WoL. Earlier today I made a bet with some ROOT/SEED members that I could achieve top 50 GM on NA server in 1 month. I know sjow tried to do this but he failed quite horribly, but I feel that I am capable of pulling this off. I just want to show that protoss is less mechanically and strategically challenging than the other two races.


Right... you mate, are an idiot.

So if he does it, what will be your argument for why it has no validity and that he is still an idiot and wrong? Just wondering.


Because, the argument:

premise: Make GM top 50 with Protoss in one month
conclusion: Protoss is both strategically and mechanically less demanding than Z and T

makes no worthwhile sense.

(Nony alludes to it above, too.)

Look at all of the factors contained in that single statement. Then match the intent which is to extrapolate it to 1/3 of the player base, tournament level play, and make it into some sort of definitive statement on the game. That's some gall.

So yeah, the guy is an idiot. But, I clicked into the stream for a minute and saw that it's literally, a kid. No point getting too worked up about it, even if it only encourages more idiocy on TL (and we've had quite a bit of it of late). I'd suggest he get rid of the chip on his shoulder, but as his head is stuck quite far up his own arse, I don't think he'd be able to manage it.
KT best KT ~ 2014
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