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Today I decided to finally try out the sleep schedule I have been researching for awhile. To put it shortly dymaxion sleep method is a form of polyphasic sleeping (sleeping multiple times a day.) what the goal result is is that instead of sleeping 8+ hours a day every night I will be sleeping 30 minutes at a time 4 times a day (A total of 2 hours per 24 hours). I'm doing this naturally for the extra 6 hours of time every day and because it is an effective way to experience more lucid dreaming and remember your dreams more often because the entire point of the short naps is to go directly into REM sleep.
Anyway, today was day 1 with no real prep, I was running off a little less sleep than I probably normally was at; overall though, nothing special just setup my schedule and started.
The times I decided to sleep were the following:
3:15 until 3:45 both AM / PM
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9:15 until 9:45 both AM / PM
I chose these times purely because they fit my spring 2014 college semester schedule. If I had no daily occupations I would probably go for the easier uberman method of six 20 minute naps a day.
Anyway nap #1 @ 3:15 was a bit of a bust, I was a little excited to get started and I normally sleep around 8AM so naturally I couldn't fall asleep but I wasn't very worried due to not sleeping at that time normally anyway.
Nap #2 @ 9:15AM didn't go great, but considering it being my first real nap I think it went well. What happened was I overslept an entire 2 hours and 15 minutes accidentally (No alarm went off or I didn't hear it.)
Nap #3 @ 3:15PM This one went pretty ideal, I'm not 100% if I fell asleep or not but I entered a state of complete relaxation and rest at least and actually woke up a couple minutes before my alarm went off.
Nap #4 @ 9:15PM is in less than an hour so I'll come back and update on how that goes when it happens.
I'm still hardly into the experiment but so far my mental clarity is perfect, tiredness at the moment is negliable, and my willpower to continue is high.
Hopefully things continue to go well, I read a lot of tips and hopefully learned from others mistakes. Wish me luck, I suppose.
EDIT: 9:15PM nap was had, it went pretty good, I had an alarming dream where I was driving and the car in front of me slammed on their breaks so I had a massive surge of adrenaline and woke up a tiny bit early. Relaxed laying down for the remainder of 10 minutes and then got up feeling fantastic. I'll keep you guys updated for each nap and answer questions below.
EDIT #2: My 3:15 -> 3:45AM nap went pretty much perfect. I fell asleep, dreamed, woke up all on time. I didn't feel very awake, so I went to go eat some food and now I'm awake as normal but I realize I probably made a problem for myself in the future. Out of hunger and bad judgement I decided to make a bagel with jelly and cream cheese + 2 strawberry pop-tarts. I know I should stick to more raw foods and my body needs more time to process such "bleh" foods like bread and pastries. Oh well, no sense dwelling on it; I still hope for the best.
Edit #3: Took my latest nap (9:15AM -> 9:45AM) a little tired, but otherwise so far so good.
Edit #4: A bit of a setback with nap #7, I overslept 3 hours. I am frustrated with myself but overall not very worried. It turns out I set my most important and effective alarm to AM instead of PM thus it never went off which is much different than it went off and I didn't hear it or I turned it off in my sleep somehow. I feel immensely better finding that out and look forward to the experiment and making sure I don't make such simple mistakes again.
Edit #5: Woke up from my nap, feeling pretty good, everything went according to plan I suppose.
Edit #6: This nap (3:15->3:45AM) was GREAT! Feel asleep on time, woke up on time, feeling energized and refreshed. Onto Day 3!! 
Edit #7: My 9:15->9:45AM nap went exactly as planned but I feel pretty drowsy after waking up.
Edit #8: Just woke up from 3:15PM nap, this one did go perfectly (asleep instantly, up quickly) however I still feel a bit drowsy which sucks.
Edit #9: Woke up feeling the worst yet.. I still haven't given up, though I now see why others have. Ughh.. Pushing myself onwards, I hope it gets better soon or at the very least I will need an extra nap to prevent passing out. (micro-edit: Ate food, watched TV, woke up a bit.. Went from miserable to "Decentish I guess" feeling.)
Edit #10: Woke up tired again, not sure if I'm getting used to being tired or getting less tired, but things aren't as bad as the last couple naps I think. I have been falling asleep and waking up easily to say the least.
Edit #11: I'm going to be updating less frequently unless more interest appears. So far so good though, naps are all going according to plan and I feel fine.
Edit: #12 starting today (the 19th and day 5 I will be updating the main post once a day. If anyone has any questions though I of course will still be monitoring the thread and reply within an hour or two 24/7.)
Edit: #13 All still going well.
Edit: #14 it has been over a week, its the 21st, things still going perfectly fine. I'll probably own make a few more updates unless interest rises.
Edit: #15 - I'd say project success at this point. Fucked up several times along the way, still not 100% as efficient at maintaining the schedule as perfectly as I'd like but.. It works and I plan to continue.
 
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Everyone I know who has tried this lasted a week or so at most. Eventually they just slept for 2 days straight.
That said, the lure of 6 more hours a day has had me wanting to try it too. At the very least it will be interesting for you. Keep us updated, and good luck.
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Can we get more imput on your awake state like
-Take any stimulants (cofee, the, adheral, drugs( speed, coke, amphetamines)
-Do sports or physical activity?
-Exam period or not?
-Drink, smoke joints, cigarettes?
You could do some cool test like looking at forcing yourself to fix the sun for one min after each night and see if you have any visuals fuck up that come
Good luck, be carefull if your driving or crossing streets in downtown.
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It's not as great as it sounds.
>High school Everyman-2 here
>EDIT: Now a college student with a normal sleep schedule
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you need 5 hours a day. the rest is just icing on the cake.
2 hours is ridiculous lmao. I dont even think you can reach the sleep state where you recuparate...
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sleep is not well understood, and it is much more than just getting your REM sleep. 2 hours a day is detrimental to your health
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Well how old is he? A lot of people who do polyphasic sleep are adults who are masters of their own schedule or in college lol. They might do more than 2 hours though.
And when they're sick they stop doing polyphasic.
Good luck.
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please don't do this
it's horribly unhealthy
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On December 16 2013 11:20 Darkren wrote:
Can we get more imput on your awake state like
-Take any stimulants (cofee, the, adheral, drugs( speed, coke, amphetamines)
-Do sports or physical activity?
-Exam period or not?
-Drink, smoke joints, cigarettes?
You could do some cool test like looking at forcing yourself to fix the sun for one min after each night and see if you have any visuals fuck up that come
Good luck, be carefull if your driving or crossing streets in downtown.
Feel free to ask as much as you like!
Stimulants: Nothing. I have never in my life really drinken anything but water on a consistent basis and I don't do any drugs. So straight edge with lots of water. The most stimulus providing thing I consume is probably an apple.
Sports / physical activity: No physical activity or sports worth mentioning. I am a computer geek and never really leave the house unless I have school or work (Which currently I do not have either.)
Exam period: As I stated above, no school. However I did plan my schedule to match with my college schedule which starts January 8th.
Edit - Adding rest of answers to other questions:
Yes, I am aware many people give up on this sleep schedule(Especially Dymaxion) within a few days. I am pretty motivated to give it a try and I feel like I have the capabilities of doing such. Before I started I have always been a bit of a sporadic sleeper staying up 30+ hours, sleeping 14 or other times 5. I would fall asleep at a completely different time then I last did and so forth so I think my body can handle it especially since (although probably not the best idea at the time) I have plenty of experience with sleep deprivation being a "hardcore" gamer most my life.
As for my age, I am 19 years old. Perhaps a little young to be experimenting with my sleep, but I believe I'm not too young that I should definitely avoid this.
Regarding the health concerns, I am actually fairly unconcenered about the health risks; I find it hard to actually find legitimate ones seeing as I won't be operating any real heavy machinery or doing anything dangerous until I am fully adapted or give up besides walking up / down a flight of stairs with a hand-rail. There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects. Naturally though, if I notice a serious problem with my health beyond the initial adapting period I will of course stop. I am interested in being more effecient and having more hours to do so with, killing myself isn't in the plan, haha.
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On December 16 2013 12:50 Valestrum wrote:
There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects.
Really? I thought noone had even succeeded in completely adapting yet
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On December 16 2013 13:02 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 12:50 Valestrum wrote:
There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects. Really? I thought noone had even succeeded in completely adapting yet
Well to point out one of the obvious examples Buckminister Fuller slept this way for 2 years (He lived to 87 and was born in the 1800s btw.) Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller
Besides that some basic Google searches will find a bunch of blogs and vlogs of people doing it. Dymaxion sleep in particular is much harder to do than uberman (six naps of 20min) but dymaxion fits my schedule and uberman doesn't. The number one reason people always seem to give it up though is simply the world runs on monophasic sleep (Sleeping once per night) and it's simply too inconvient to have to take naps 4 times a day because of meetings, work, significant others, parties, social outings, etc.. Luckily for me I have no social life though, so I might just get to enjoy this for a bit.
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On December 16 2013 13:07 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 13:02 Antylamon wrote:On December 16 2013 12:50 Valestrum wrote:
There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects. Really? I thought noone had even succeeded in completely adapting yet Well to point out one of the obvious examples Buckminister Fuller slept this way for 2 years (He lived to 87 and was born in the 1800s btw.) Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_FullerBesides that some basic Google searches will find a bunch of blogs and vlogs of people doing it. Dymaxion sleep in particular is much harder to do than uberman (six naps of 20min) but dymaxion fits my schedule and uberman doesn't. The number one reason people always seem to give it up though is simply the world runs on monophasic sleep (Sleeping once per night) and it's simply too inconvient to have to take naps 4 times a day because of meetings, work, significant others, parties, social outings, etc.. Luckily for me I have no social life though, so I might just get to enjoy this for a bit.
Interesting! I looked at some of the blogs and vlogs at some point, but I didn't find anyone who succeeded.
Best of luck!
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Bah, this is suicide, lol. Everyman, uberman and biphasic here. I know you're optimistic about this, but let's get real. As someone who has done this plenty of times, you WILL fail. At first. And when you do, may I suggest an Everyman 430 with a one nap core? That is what I used for a period of 11 months and it's quite stable.
Let's talk about the psych of what you're doing. Dymaxion looks alluring on paper, but it's actually the worst of both worlds. At first glance, 4 naps seems baller! Why? I can place them in strategic locations, meaning that the chance of that nap getting interrupted and the amount of naps I have to take are greatly reduced. The opposite effect holds far more weight. If you fuck up that nap - you are going to be in pain - and take it from me, in college, the chance of that happening nears 100 percent. Contrast this with an uberman - which basically forces you to have a schedule to accommodate your sleep schedule due to six naps. Little bonus - with an uberman, you have way more fucking leeway with your naps.
Second, nap math.
20 minutes is the money number (actually around 18, for me). You've probably read Puredoxyk's blogs on her first uberman experiment. She also talks about Dymaxion - heed her. Dymaxion is on the cusp of 30 - which with stage compression borders right on deep sleep and easily slips into it. This is dangerous. It also provides you little conceivable benefit.
I've done this. I know your motivations. I'm not here to tell you that this is unhealthy, or that you shouldn't do it. But I do want to help you have the best chance at success. Not the dream sleep schedule - (and this is a dream). Success.
So, be prepared for pain, and embrace your initial failures. If you're serious about this, you're going to have to sacrifice a little bit. As you've read, first week is the worst. But it's also the most important by a longshot. How you handle this first week determines your nap cycles, how fast you settle in, and your psychology.
PM me if you want preparation tips or someone to talk to.
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Just make sure you're not a zombie around any family you might be visiting for the holidays you may celebrate, and you'll be fine. You don't drive do you? That counts as heavy machinery. I didn't understand that until I was at least 20. I mean it sounds obvious now, but I used to think of heavy machinery as stuff like cranes, tractors, and pipe diggers. :D
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On December 16 2013 13:19 Qwyn wrote:
Bah, this is suicide, lol. Everyman, uberman and biphasic here. ..
Haha, yeah; I'm aware Dymaxion is a bitch. I still really feel the need to try it though, if I can get it to work it it will be a godsend for me. If it doesn't, I probably will switch to the 430 everyman like you suggested. I feel like I do have a good chance with this though, at least compared to other people. I don't dorm at college so I don't have a roommate or people unexpectedly disrupting my nap schedule. I live my with parents a short trip from a local college with no real friends to speak of, it's basically just me in my room studying programming and such 22 hours a day. I eat fairly healthy, have pretty good discipline, I don't have anywhere what-so-ever to be until January the 8th and I have experience messing with my sleep and being fine so at least compared to the average Joe I should be alright. Then again the average Joe seems to fail miserably so it isn't much of an assurance, regardless, I have hope and I look forward to seeing if I can handle it.
I'll definitely PM you if I have any questions or anything and please feel free to PM me as well. Thanks again for the words.
Edit: As the above post asked, I do know cars are heavy machinery and I do drive, however I will not be driving until January the 8th and by then I hope to be adjusted to the point where it will be a non-issue. If it is an issue by then and I feel like it would be unsafe to drive I will probably switch to the everyman cycle.
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On December 16 2013 13:31 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 13:19 Qwyn wrote:
Bah, this is suicide, lol. Everyman, uberman and biphasic here. .. Haha, yeah; I'm aware Dymaxion is a bitch. I still really feel the need to try it though, if I can get it to work it it will be a godsend for me. If it doesn't, I probably will switch to the 430 everyman like you suggested. I feel like I do have a good chance with this though, at least compared to other people. I don't dorm at college so I don't have a roommate or people unexpectedly disrupting my nap schedule. I live my with parents a short trip from a local college with no real friends to speak of, it's basically just me in my room studying programming and such 22 hours a day. I eat fairly healthy, have pretty good discipline, I don't have anywhere what-so-ever to be until January the 8th and I have experience messing with my sleep and being fine so at least compared to the average Joe I should be alright. Then again the average Joe seems to fail miserably so it isn't much of an assurance, regardless, I have hope and I look forward to seeing if I can handle it. I'll definitely PM you if I have any questions or anything and please feel free to PM me as well. Thanks again for the words.
I'm not trying to be a doomsayer - when I started doing this shit I was in the same exact position as you and I failed plenty of times. But it was ultimately fine because failure didn't matter - there was no setback, I was just in the same place I started at. I'm just suggesting that if you go in this with a mind open to failure - and the mindset that it doesn't really matter when you're first giving this a go (it seems like you do, which is baller) - that you can focus on what really matters, which is the first week and intimate learning of your situation.
But you have what matters most, and that's the inquisitive nature and a mind set to give this a shot. I really want to see you succeed!
I'm very tempted to write out my adaptation setup now, rofl. Good luck, man. Puredoxyk is a godsend, look to her!
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If you're going to do programming I recommend you come by our big programming thread on TL and get used to IRC channels as well as stack overflow. Work smart/time efficiently.
Learning programming when I was in high school wasn't easy and I barely got anything out of it. Not sure when your birthday is, but I was 19 for part of my senior year of high school.
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On December 16 2013 13:40 Qwyn wrote:
But you have what matters most, and that's the inquisitive nature and a mind set to give this a shot. I really want to see you succeed!
I'm very tempted to write out my adaptation setup now, rofl. Good luck, man. Puredoxyk is a godsend, look to her!
By all means feel free to write it out! More advice never hurts! I hear you though, I do have an open mind to failure I know there is a very good chance I won't be able to pull it off, but if I do then it will be great. If not, the important thing is I tried and hopefully I learned some stuff along the way and I'll try something else.
Edit: At the above post, I definitely visit StackOverflow and plague it with my shitty questions and mediocre answers, haha. I might stop by the TL IRC / programming thread as well now but to be honest I'm just now deciding to learn android app development and I have plenty of resources laid out in front of me already. I'll stop by once I get a solid understanding of the basics though I bet. ^^
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Alright well I will start by asking! We get to thinking pronto.
1. What is your alarm setup?
A. Time staggering.
B. Amount of alarms.
C. Location.
D. Volume/repeat.
2. What is your wakeup routine? This is key.
3. What physical are you doing/planning to do in the interim between naps? This will also be key.
4. How do you plan to deal with lack of motor-control? It will get to the point where your brain lags so much that you are almost completely dysfunctional.
5. How do you plan to mitigate failure? (Prevent oversleeping, re-adapt, re-assess).
6. What is your list of activities to do BESIDES programming? When you are completely braindead this isn't a good one to do.
7. What is your diet makeup going to look like? You'll find that you get very hungry on 20 hours a day. Thinking about this beforehand may prevent you from eating things which make you sleepy or binging.
8. Do you have a good list of people to talk to? Not just Skype/SMS, actual conversations. This is a strong preventative measure.
9. Do you have a notebook with timeslots all set out to record? Seems like you do - blogging is nice, computer is best - might prevent you from losing the fucker like I did.
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