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Today I decided to finally try out the sleep schedule I have been researching for awhile. To put it shortly dymaxion sleep method is a form of polyphasic sleeping (sleeping multiple times a day.) what the goal result is is that instead of sleeping 8+ hours a day every night I will be sleeping 30 minutes at a time 4 times a day (A total of 2 hours per 24 hours). I'm doing this naturally for the extra 6 hours of time every day and because it is an effective way to experience more lucid dreaming and remember your dreams more often because the entire point of the short naps is to go directly into REM sleep.
Anyway, today was day 1 with no real prep, I was running off a little less sleep than I probably normally was at; overall though, nothing special just setup my schedule and started.
The times I decided to sleep were the following:
3:15 until 3:45 both AM / PM
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9:15 until 9:45 both AM / PM
I chose these times purely because they fit my spring 2014 college semester schedule. If I had no daily occupations I would probably go for the easier uberman method of six 20 minute naps a day.
Anyway nap #1 @ 3:15 was a bit of a bust, I was a little excited to get started and I normally sleep around 8AM so naturally I couldn't fall asleep but I wasn't very worried due to not sleeping at that time normally anyway.
Nap #2 @ 9:15AM didn't go great, but considering it being my first real nap I think it went well. What happened was I overslept an entire 2 hours and 15 minutes accidentally (No alarm went off or I didn't hear it.)
Nap #3 @ 3:15PM This one went pretty ideal, I'm not 100% if I fell asleep or not but I entered a state of complete relaxation and rest at least and actually woke up a couple minutes before my alarm went off.
Nap #4 @ 9:15PM is in less than an hour so I'll come back and update on how that goes when it happens.
I'm still hardly into the experiment but so far my mental clarity is perfect, tiredness at the moment is negliable, and my willpower to continue is high.
Hopefully things continue to go well, I read a lot of tips and hopefully learned from others mistakes. Wish me luck, I suppose.
EDIT: 9:15PM nap was had, it went pretty good, I had an alarming dream where I was driving and the car in front of me slammed on their breaks so I had a massive surge of adrenaline and woke up a tiny bit early. Relaxed laying down for the remainder of 10 minutes and then got up feeling fantastic. I'll keep you guys updated for each nap and answer questions below.
EDIT #2: My 3:15 -> 3:45AM nap went pretty much perfect. I fell asleep, dreamed, woke up all on time. I didn't feel very awake, so I went to go eat some food and now I'm awake as normal but I realize I probably made a problem for myself in the future. Out of hunger and bad judgement I decided to make a bagel with jelly and cream cheese + 2 strawberry pop-tarts. I know I should stick to more raw foods and my body needs more time to process such "bleh" foods like bread and pastries. Oh well, no sense dwelling on it; I still hope for the best.
Edit #3: Took my latest nap (9:15AM -> 9:45AM) a little tired, but otherwise so far so good.
Edit #4: A bit of a setback with nap #7, I overslept 3 hours. I am frustrated with myself but overall not very worried. It turns out I set my most important and effective alarm to AM instead of PM thus it never went off which is much different than it went off and I didn't hear it or I turned it off in my sleep somehow. I feel immensely better finding that out and look forward to the experiment and making sure I don't make such simple mistakes again.
Edit #5: Woke up from my nap, feeling pretty good, everything went according to plan I suppose.
Edit #6: This nap (3:15->3:45AM) was GREAT! Feel asleep on time, woke up on time, feeling energized and refreshed. Onto Day 3!! 
Edit #7: My 9:15->9:45AM nap went exactly as planned but I feel pretty drowsy after waking up.
Edit #8: Just woke up from 3:15PM nap, this one did go perfectly (asleep instantly, up quickly) however I still feel a bit drowsy which sucks.
Edit #9: Woke up feeling the worst yet.. I still haven't given up, though I now see why others have. Ughh.. Pushing myself onwards, I hope it gets better soon or at the very least I will need an extra nap to prevent passing out. (micro-edit: Ate food, watched TV, woke up a bit.. Went from miserable to "Decentish I guess" feeling.)
Edit #10: Woke up tired again, not sure if I'm getting used to being tired or getting less tired, but things aren't as bad as the last couple naps I think. I have been falling asleep and waking up easily to say the least.
Edit #11: I'm going to be updating less frequently unless more interest appears. So far so good though, naps are all going according to plan and I feel fine.
Edit: #12 starting today (the 19th and day 5 I will be updating the main post once a day. If anyone has any questions though I of course will still be monitoring the thread and reply within an hour or two 24/7.)
Edit: #13 All still going well.
Edit: #14 it has been over a week, its the 21st, things still going perfectly fine. I'll probably own make a few more updates unless interest rises.
Edit: #15 - I'd say project success at this point. Fucked up several times along the way, still not 100% as efficient at maintaining the schedule as perfectly as I'd like but.. It works and I plan to continue.
 
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Everyone I know who has tried this lasted a week or so at most. Eventually they just slept for 2 days straight.
That said, the lure of 6 more hours a day has had me wanting to try it too. At the very least it will be interesting for you. Keep us updated, and good luck.
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Can we get more imput on your awake state like
-Take any stimulants (cofee, the, adheral, drugs( speed, coke, amphetamines)
-Do sports or physical activity?
-Exam period or not?
-Drink, smoke joints, cigarettes?
You could do some cool test like looking at forcing yourself to fix the sun for one min after each night and see if you have any visuals fuck up that come
Good luck, be carefull if your driving or crossing streets in downtown.
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It's not as great as it sounds.
>High school Everyman-2 here
>EDIT: Now a college student with a normal sleep schedule
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you need 5 hours a day. the rest is just icing on the cake.
2 hours is ridiculous lmao. I dont even think you can reach the sleep state where you recuparate...
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sleep is not well understood, and it is much more than just getting your REM sleep. 2 hours a day is detrimental to your health
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Well how old is he? A lot of people who do polyphasic sleep are adults who are masters of their own schedule or in college lol. They might do more than 2 hours though.
And when they're sick they stop doing polyphasic.
Good luck.
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please don't do this
it's horribly unhealthy
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On December 16 2013 11:20 Darkren wrote:
Can we get more imput on your awake state like
-Take any stimulants (cofee, the, adheral, drugs( speed, coke, amphetamines)
-Do sports or physical activity?
-Exam period or not?
-Drink, smoke joints, cigarettes?
You could do some cool test like looking at forcing yourself to fix the sun for one min after each night and see if you have any visuals fuck up that come
Good luck, be carefull if your driving or crossing streets in downtown.
Feel free to ask as much as you like!
Stimulants: Nothing. I have never in my life really drinken anything but water on a consistent basis and I don't do any drugs. So straight edge with lots of water. The most stimulus providing thing I consume is probably an apple.
Sports / physical activity: No physical activity or sports worth mentioning. I am a computer geek and never really leave the house unless I have school or work (Which currently I do not have either.)
Exam period: As I stated above, no school. However I did plan my schedule to match with my college schedule which starts January 8th.
Edit - Adding rest of answers to other questions:
Yes, I am aware many people give up on this sleep schedule(Especially Dymaxion) within a few days. I am pretty motivated to give it a try and I feel like I have the capabilities of doing such. Before I started I have always been a bit of a sporadic sleeper staying up 30+ hours, sleeping 14 or other times 5. I would fall asleep at a completely different time then I last did and so forth so I think my body can handle it especially since (although probably not the best idea at the time) I have plenty of experience with sleep deprivation being a "hardcore" gamer most my life.
As for my age, I am 19 years old. Perhaps a little young to be experimenting with my sleep, but I believe I'm not too young that I should definitely avoid this.
Regarding the health concerns, I am actually fairly unconcenered about the health risks; I find it hard to actually find legitimate ones seeing as I won't be operating any real heavy machinery or doing anything dangerous until I am fully adapted or give up besides walking up / down a flight of stairs with a hand-rail. There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects. Naturally though, if I notice a serious problem with my health beyond the initial adapting period I will of course stop. I am interested in being more effecient and having more hours to do so with, killing myself isn't in the plan, haha.
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On December 16 2013 12:50 Valestrum wrote:
There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects.
Really? I thought noone had even succeeded in completely adapting yet
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On December 16 2013 13:02 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 12:50 Valestrum wrote:
There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects. Really? I thought noone had even succeeded in completely adapting yet
Well to point out one of the obvious examples Buckminister Fuller slept this way for 2 years (He lived to 87 and was born in the 1800s btw.) Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_Fuller
Besides that some basic Google searches will find a bunch of blogs and vlogs of people doing it. Dymaxion sleep in particular is much harder to do than uberman (six naps of 20min) but dymaxion fits my schedule and uberman doesn't. The number one reason people always seem to give it up though is simply the world runs on monophasic sleep (Sleeping once per night) and it's simply too inconvient to have to take naps 4 times a day because of meetings, work, significant others, parties, social outings, etc.. Luckily for me I have no social life though, so I might just get to enjoy this for a bit.
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On December 16 2013 13:07 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 13:02 Antylamon wrote:On December 16 2013 12:50 Valestrum wrote:
There has been many people who have lived this life style for many months or in some cases years at a time with no ill side affects. Really? I thought noone had even succeeded in completely adapting yet Well to point out one of the obvious examples Buckminister Fuller slept this way for 2 years (He lived to 87 and was born in the 1800s btw.) Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckminster_FullerBesides that some basic Google searches will find a bunch of blogs and vlogs of people doing it. Dymaxion sleep in particular is much harder to do than uberman (six naps of 20min) but dymaxion fits my schedule and uberman doesn't. The number one reason people always seem to give it up though is simply the world runs on monophasic sleep (Sleeping once per night) and it's simply too inconvient to have to take naps 4 times a day because of meetings, work, significant others, parties, social outings, etc.. Luckily for me I have no social life though, so I might just get to enjoy this for a bit.
Interesting! I looked at some of the blogs and vlogs at some point, but I didn't find anyone who succeeded.
Best of luck!
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Bah, this is suicide, lol. Everyman, uberman and biphasic here. I know you're optimistic about this, but let's get real. As someone who has done this plenty of times, you WILL fail. At first. And when you do, may I suggest an Everyman 430 with a one nap core? That is what I used for a period of 11 months and it's quite stable.
Let's talk about the psych of what you're doing. Dymaxion looks alluring on paper, but it's actually the worst of both worlds. At first glance, 4 naps seems baller! Why? I can place them in strategic locations, meaning that the chance of that nap getting interrupted and the amount of naps I have to take are greatly reduced. The opposite effect holds far more weight. If you fuck up that nap - you are going to be in pain - and take it from me, in college, the chance of that happening nears 100 percent. Contrast this with an uberman - which basically forces you to have a schedule to accommodate your sleep schedule due to six naps. Little bonus - with an uberman, you have way more fucking leeway with your naps.
Second, nap math.
20 minutes is the money number (actually around 18, for me). You've probably read Puredoxyk's blogs on her first uberman experiment. She also talks about Dymaxion - heed her. Dymaxion is on the cusp of 30 - which with stage compression borders right on deep sleep and easily slips into it. This is dangerous. It also provides you little conceivable benefit.
I've done this. I know your motivations. I'm not here to tell you that this is unhealthy, or that you shouldn't do it. But I do want to help you have the best chance at success. Not the dream sleep schedule - (and this is a dream). Success.
So, be prepared for pain, and embrace your initial failures. If you're serious about this, you're going to have to sacrifice a little bit. As you've read, first week is the worst. But it's also the most important by a longshot. How you handle this first week determines your nap cycles, how fast you settle in, and your psychology.
PM me if you want preparation tips or someone to talk to.
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Just make sure you're not a zombie around any family you might be visiting for the holidays you may celebrate, and you'll be fine. You don't drive do you? That counts as heavy machinery. I didn't understand that until I was at least 20. I mean it sounds obvious now, but I used to think of heavy machinery as stuff like cranes, tractors, and pipe diggers. :D
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On December 16 2013 13:19 Qwyn wrote:
Bah, this is suicide, lol. Everyman, uberman and biphasic here. ..
Haha, yeah; I'm aware Dymaxion is a bitch. I still really feel the need to try it though, if I can get it to work it it will be a godsend for me. If it doesn't, I probably will switch to the 430 everyman like you suggested. I feel like I do have a good chance with this though, at least compared to other people. I don't dorm at college so I don't have a roommate or people unexpectedly disrupting my nap schedule. I live my with parents a short trip from a local college with no real friends to speak of, it's basically just me in my room studying programming and such 22 hours a day. I eat fairly healthy, have pretty good discipline, I don't have anywhere what-so-ever to be until January the 8th and I have experience messing with my sleep and being fine so at least compared to the average Joe I should be alright. Then again the average Joe seems to fail miserably so it isn't much of an assurance, regardless, I have hope and I look forward to seeing if I can handle it.
I'll definitely PM you if I have any questions or anything and please feel free to PM me as well. Thanks again for the words.
Edit: As the above post asked, I do know cars are heavy machinery and I do drive, however I will not be driving until January the 8th and by then I hope to be adjusted to the point where it will be a non-issue. If it is an issue by then and I feel like it would be unsafe to drive I will probably switch to the everyman cycle.
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On December 16 2013 13:31 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 13:19 Qwyn wrote:
Bah, this is suicide, lol. Everyman, uberman and biphasic here. .. Haha, yeah; I'm aware Dymaxion is a bitch. I still really feel the need to try it though, if I can get it to work it it will be a godsend for me. If it doesn't, I probably will switch to the 430 everyman like you suggested. I feel like I do have a good chance with this though, at least compared to other people. I don't dorm at college so I don't have a roommate or people unexpectedly disrupting my nap schedule. I live my with parents a short trip from a local college with no real friends to speak of, it's basically just me in my room studying programming and such 22 hours a day. I eat fairly healthy, have pretty good discipline, I don't have anywhere what-so-ever to be until January the 8th and I have experience messing with my sleep and being fine so at least compared to the average Joe I should be alright. Then again the average Joe seems to fail miserably so it isn't much of an assurance, regardless, I have hope and I look forward to seeing if I can handle it. I'll definitely PM you if I have any questions or anything and please feel free to PM me as well. Thanks again for the words.
I'm not trying to be a doomsayer - when I started doing this shit I was in the same exact position as you and I failed plenty of times. But it was ultimately fine because failure didn't matter - there was no setback, I was just in the same place I started at. I'm just suggesting that if you go in this with a mind open to failure - and the mindset that it doesn't really matter when you're first giving this a go (it seems like you do, which is baller) - that you can focus on what really matters, which is the first week and intimate learning of your situation.
But you have what matters most, and that's the inquisitive nature and a mind set to give this a shot. I really want to see you succeed!
I'm very tempted to write out my adaptation setup now, rofl. Good luck, man. Puredoxyk is a godsend, look to her!
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If you're going to do programming I recommend you come by our big programming thread on TL and get used to IRC channels as well as stack overflow. Work smart/time efficiently.
Learning programming when I was in high school wasn't easy and I barely got anything out of it. Not sure when your birthday is, but I was 19 for part of my senior year of high school.
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On December 16 2013 13:40 Qwyn wrote:
But you have what matters most, and that's the inquisitive nature and a mind set to give this a shot. I really want to see you succeed!
I'm very tempted to write out my adaptation setup now, rofl. Good luck, man. Puredoxyk is a godsend, look to her!
By all means feel free to write it out! More advice never hurts! I hear you though, I do have an open mind to failure I know there is a very good chance I won't be able to pull it off, but if I do then it will be great. If not, the important thing is I tried and hopefully I learned some stuff along the way and I'll try something else.
Edit: At the above post, I definitely visit StackOverflow and plague it with my shitty questions and mediocre answers, haha. I might stop by the TL IRC / programming thread as well now but to be honest I'm just now deciding to learn android app development and I have plenty of resources laid out in front of me already. I'll stop by once I get a solid understanding of the basics though I bet. ^^
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Alright well I will start by asking! We get to thinking pronto.
1. What is your alarm setup?
A. Time staggering.
B. Amount of alarms.
C. Location.
D. Volume/repeat.
2. What is your wakeup routine? This is key.
3. What physical are you doing/planning to do in the interim between naps? This will also be key.
4. How do you plan to deal with lack of motor-control? It will get to the point where your brain lags so much that you are almost completely dysfunctional.
5. How do you plan to mitigate failure? (Prevent oversleeping, re-adapt, re-assess).
6. What is your list of activities to do BESIDES programming? When you are completely braindead this isn't a good one to do.
7. What is your diet makeup going to look like? You'll find that you get very hungry on 20 hours a day. Thinking about this beforehand may prevent you from eating things which make you sleepy or binging.
8. Do you have a good list of people to talk to? Not just Skype/SMS, actual conversations. This is a strong preventative measure.
9. Do you have a notebook with timeslots all set out to record? Seems like you do - blogging is nice, computer is best - might prevent you from losing the fucker like I did.
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I'm pretty sure Kramer already tried this
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On December 16 2013 14:03 Qwyn wrote:
Alright well I will start by asking! We get to thinking pronto.
1. What is your alarm setup?
A. Time staggering.
B. Amount of alarms.
C. Location.
D. Volume/repeat.
2. What is your wakeup routine? This is key.
3. What physical are you doing/planning to do in the interim between naps? This will also be key.
4. How do you plan to deal with lack of motor-control? It will get to the point where your brain lags so much that you are almost completely dysfunctional.
5. How do you plan to mitigate failure? (Prevent oversleeping, re-adapt, re-assess).
6. What is your list of activities to do BESIDES programming? When you are completely braindead this isn't a good one to do.
7. What is your diet makeup going to look like? You'll find that you get very hungry on 20 hours a day. Thinking about this beforehand may prevent you from eating things which make you sleepy or binging.
8. Do you have a good list of people to talk to? Not just Skype/SMS, actual conversations. This is a strong preventative measure.
9. Do you have a notebook with timeslots all set out to record? Seems like you do - blogging is nice, computer is best - might prevent you from losing the fucker like I did.
1.
A. 1st alarm at end of nap, backup alarm 2 minutes after
B. 2 one is a default one on my phone, the second is on some painfully loud speakers on my laptop that require me to type a password to turn off
C. Phone is usually on a bed near me (I am sleeping on the ground) or charging a few feet away
D. Max volume, no repeat on phone, laptop will not stop until it is powered off or a password is entered.
2. Not much of a routine yet.. My brain just immediately goes to "QUICKLY, YOU FOOL, GET UP AND DEACTIVATE THE LAPTOP ALARM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!" ever since I turned it on.. That thing is loud and annoying as hell.
3. Most of my time is doing stuff on the computer (Programming, reading, research, gaming, listening to music) but I also like to wonder around my house, eat an apple, grab some OJ, etc..
4. I guess I'll come to this point when needed, only nervous because I live upstairs in my house but I have a rail I can use.. I don't think it will be so much of an issue that I feel like I will fall down the stairs, if it does I'll work around it. Other than though I don't really need motor skills until January 8th which should be a non-issue by then.
5. So far the only way I see myself oversleeping is subconsciously. If I turn off the alarm clocks in zombie-sleep mode then I will go hardcore mode and change shit up. Probably set backup alarms every other minute and potentially tape an alarm clock to above my fan and turn it on before I go to bed so I have to turn off the fan, get a chair, and turn it off.
6. Gaming, reading, Reddit / TL lurking, updating this blog, listening to music, watching TV / movies with parents.. Ummm... That's the gist of it. I find it difficult to get bored with internet access.
7. My mom likes to cook and she is a health freak so that covers me 1-2 meals a day which will be the healthiest thing imaginable knowing her.. Lots of vegetables and such.. Besides that I plan on having apples, orange juice, cherry-tomatoes, eggs and maybe meats. I want to try and avoid bread, pizza, ramen, etc.. But I honestly will have one of those every other day once probably.
8. Not really, I do have a person on Skype who is usually up around 9PM - 9AM which is good though.
9. The goal is to record everything via this blog
How can I improve?
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I managed uberman for a short time. Let me echo a few points:
Food. Eat a 4 meal day, you'll need it.
Have a ton of stuff to do, bored - sleep.
Lots of alarms.
Keep this updated though, I wish you the best of luck : D
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On December 16 2013 18:33 Zealos wrote:
I managed uberman for a short time. Let me echo a few points:
Food. Eat a 4 meal day, you'll need it.
Have a ton of stuff to do, bored - sleep.
Lots of alarms.
Keep this updated though, I wish you the best of luck : D
How short? Care to share more information on it? Yeah, I noticed my hunger already; food shouldn't be an issue. Tasty food might though, I'll be sure to try and restock soon. Boredom is a complete non-issue, I am a seasoned geek born and raised on the internet. Boredom cannot exist while internet connection is available. Like.. Wow! I just get excited thinking about it sometimes if that doesn't sound too weird, haha.. I just LOVE to learn and there is so much.. Yeah, not an issue. As for alarms I have one "decent" one and one extremely loud one that requires me to type in a password and click something to turn off so I think I'm good.
I'll definitely keep the blog updated though, after all I got the time to, haha. 
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On December 16 2013 19:04 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2013 18:33 Zealos wrote:
I managed uberman for a short time. Let me echo a few points:
Food. Eat a 4 meal day, you'll need it.
Have a ton of stuff to do, bored - sleep.
Lots of alarms.
Keep this updated though, I wish you the best of luck : D How short? Care to share more information on it? Yeah, I noticed my hunger already; food shouldn't be an issue. Tasty food might though, I'll be sure to try and restock soon. Boredom is a complete non-issue, I am a seasoned geek born and raised on the internet. Boredom cannot exist while internet connection is available. Like.. Wow! I just get excited thinking about it sometimes if that doesn't sound too weird, haha.. I just LOVE to learn and there is so much.. Yeah, not an issue. As for alarms I have one "decent" one and one extremely loud one that requires me to type in a password and click something to turn off so I think I'm good. I'll definitely keep the blog updated though, after all I got the time to, haha.
Couple of months.
If theres anything specific then I would be happy to share, just ask away and I'll respond when I get back to my home PC.
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Couple of months.
If theres anything specific then I would be happy to share, just ask away and I'll respond when I get back to my home PC.
Why did you quit? How long did it take you to feel adjusted? What was the worst part of it? The best part? Why did you start in the first place? Any tips?
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On December 16 2013 10:25 Valestrum wrote:
Today I decided to finally try out the sleep schedule I have been researching for awhile. To put it shortly dymaxion sleep method is a form of polyphasic sleeping (sleeping multiple times a day.) what the goal result is is that instead of sleeping 8+ hours a day every night I will be sleeping 30 minutes at a time 4 times a day (A total of 2 hours per 24 hours). I'm doing this naturally for the extra 6 hours of time every day and because it is an effective way to experience more lucid dreaming and remember your dreams more often because the entire point of the short naps is to go directly into REM sleep.
Anyway, today was day 1 with no real prep, I was running off a little less sleep than I probably normally was at; overall though, nothing special just setup my schedule and started.
The times I decided to sleep were the following:
3:15 until 3:45 both AM / PM
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9:15 until 9:45 both AM / PM
I chose these times purely because they fit my spring 2014 college semester schedule. If I had no daily occupations I would probably go for the easier uberman method of six 20 minute naps a day.
Anyway nap #1 @ 3:15 was a bit of a bust, I was a little excited to get started and I normally sleep around 8AM so naturally I couldn't fall asleep but I wasn't very worried due to not sleeping at that time normally anyway.
Nap #2 @ 9:15AM didn't go great, but considering it being my first real nap I think it went well. What happened was I overslept an entire 2 hours and 15 minutes accidentally (No alarm went off or I didn't hear it.)
Nap #3 @ 3:15PM This one went pretty ideal, I'm not 100% if I fell asleep or not but I entered a state of complete relaxation and rest at least and actually woke up a couple minutes before my alarm went off.
Nap #4 @ 9:15PM is in less than an hour so I'll come back and update on how that goes when it happens.
I'm still hardly into the experiment but so far my mental clarity is perfect, tiredness at the moment is negliable, and my willpower to continue is high.
Hopefully things continue to go well, I read a lot of tips and hopefully learned from others mistakes. Wish me luck, I suppose.
EDIT: 9:15PM nap was had, it went pretty good, I had an alarming dream where I was driving and the car in front of me slammed on their breaks so I had a massive surge of adrenaline and woke up a tiny bit early. Relaxed laying down for the remainder of 10 minutes and then got up feeling fantastic. I'll keep you guys updated for each nap and answer questions below.
EDIT #2: My 3:15 -> 3:45AM nap went pretty much perfect. I fell asleep, dreamed, woke up all on time. I didn't feel very awake, so I went to go eat some food and now I'm awake as normal but I realize I probably made a problem for myself in the future. Out of hunger and bad judgement I decided to make a bagel with jelly and cream cheese + 2 strawberry pop-tarts. I know I should stick to more raw foods and my body needs more time to process such "bleh" foods like bread and pastries. Oh well, no sense dwelling on it; I still hope for the best.
Mental clarity: 9.5/10 feeling good
Tiredness: 1.5/10 feeling good
Side affects: None
Naps down: 5
Current day of experiment: 2
i dunno.... whats the issue with sleeping like every body else does? OK sure you sleep 6+ hours/day but maybe your sleep schedule isnt healthy if you fall asleep once your a bit bored or eat something 'heavy'
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i dunno.... whats the issue with sleeping like every body else does? OK sure you sleep 6+ hours/day but maybe your sleep schedule isnt healthy if you fall asleep once your a bit bored or eat something 'heavy'
There isn't an issue, 99% of the world sleeps like that! I just find the prospect of being awake 22 hours much more appealing due to the extra productivity, especially since I now procrastinate less. As for falling asleep, it's just a matter of discipline; I should know better than to eat something 'heavy' and boredom isn't an issue what-so-ever for me. If I do fall asleep though, it will suck, but I will just re-adjust myself to fit the schedule assuming it's an odd occurence and not my body telling me I can't do the schedule.
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Have you read any sleep deprivation studies?
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Stopped because of schedule issues, I could only ever have kept it up that long. It was pretty good for the time (It was basically over the summer)
Takes just over a week to adjust, time just before adjusting is miserable. If you've never been super sleep deprived, you'll know what you're in for. It's like, middle of the night, and you're exhausted, but you have no sleep to look forward to. There's no "If I can survive 4 more hours, I can sleep", so it's pretty grim at that point.
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On December 16 2013 21:49 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +
i dunno.... whats the issue with sleeping like every body else does? OK sure you sleep 6+ hours/day but maybe your sleep schedule isnt healthy if you fall asleep once your a bit bored or eat something 'heavy'
There isn't an issue, 99% of the world sleeps like that! I just find the prospect of being awake 22 hours much more appealing due to the extra productivity, especially since I now procrastinate less. As for falling asleep, it's just a matter of discipline; I should know better than to eat something 'heavy' and boredom isn't an issue what-so-ever for me. If I do fall asleep though, it will suck, but I will just re-adjust myself to fit the schedule assuming it's an odd occurence and not my body telling me I can't do the schedule.
I don't know about this stuff, but "extra productivity" seems like a bad reason to do this. Unless you're physically stuck in a job like 10 hours a day, then surely you can manage your time towards more productive things. I guess my question is how well you spend your time on a regular sleep schedule?
If by productive you mean brain intensive/creative activities, I don't think the concept of more hours = better quality works. It may work with menial, brainless tasks, but how many hours are those really taking, and could they be taken care of by cutting down on browsing/movies etc?
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I don't know about this stuff, but "extra productivity" seems like a bad reason to do this. Unless you're physically stuck in a job like 10 hours a day, then surely you can manage your time towards more productive things. I guess my question is how well you spend your time on a regular sleep schedule?
If by productive you mean brain intensive/creative activities, I don't think the concept of more hours = better quality works. It may work with menial, brainless tasks, but how many hours are those really taking, and could they be taken care of by cutting down on browsing/movies etc?
I spend my time "decently" I guess on a regular sleep schedule but my regular sleep schedule is still irregular for most people, there would be no two nights I fell asleep at the same time in a week typically.
As for the hours I believe it will be more productive and I am happy with the choice I have made so far. I don't want to cut down on pleasurable things like browsing / movies as you put it too much. As long as my body proves to be able to handle this sleep schedule I definitely want to at least try it for a few weeks.
Oh and also @Roe: Yes, I have.
Just a status update btw: Nearing my next nap (3:15PM), feeling really good overall. Today was the "worst' I felt "decent" and at best I was feeling absolutely fantastic. Looking forward to continuing, I find it strange I haven't found any of the negative zombifying issues yet, but I feel like I will be able to hand it if / when it does come around. So far so good, loving the schedule thus far.
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I'm definitely looking forward to seeing if your physical or mental state is compromised after a few days; I would assume that any negative effects would be pretty obvious within a week.
Good luck!
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I hope you don't have chronic migraines. If you're like me and have chronic migraines, there's a decent possibility that you'll self-induce several migraines due to lack of sleep.
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Fuck! Nap #7 went terribly. I completely overslept my first alarm and 2nd alarm and ended up sleeping for over 3 hours. Oh well, 2 steps forward, one step back. I won't let this stop me, it's if anything to be expected in the adjusting period.
Edit: Relieved to have found my problem. My most important and effective alarm was set to 3:48AM and not PM. I now know why I overslept and feel very good about continuing again. A user-error was made, that was all, my body can and will continue.
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On December 16 2013 21:49 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +
i dunno.... whats the issue with sleeping like every body else does? OK sure you sleep 6+ hours/day but maybe your sleep schedule isnt healthy if you fall asleep once your a bit bored or eat something 'heavy'
There isn't an issue, 99% of the world sleeps like that! I just find the prospect of being awake 22 hours much more appealing due to the extra productivity, especially since I now procrastinate less. As for falling asleep, it's just a matter of discipline; I should know better than to eat something 'heavy' and boredom isn't an issue what-so-ever for me. If I do fall asleep though, it will suck, but I will just re-adjust myself to fit the schedule assuming it's an odd occurence and not my body telling me I can't do the schedule.
productivity...
http://www.med.upenn.edu/uep/user_documents/dfd3.pdf
sleep deprivation severely affects your brain. In some cases it affects performace just as much as being drunk. (like accidentally switching AM and PM :p)
And make no mistake, when you have to fight to stay awake and need to keep yourself busy to not fall asleep, you are deprived of sleep.
I actually make a point to always sleep at least 6, after sports often even 8 hours.
I personally hat thate sting in your brain that you get when sleep deprived, u much rather have 4 hours less in a day and not deal with that. It keeps me from doing anything productive.
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productivity... http://www.med.upenn.edu/uep/user_documents/dfd3.pdfsleep deprivation severely affects your brain. In some cases it affects performace just as much as being drunk. (like accidentally switching AM and PM :p) And make no mistake, when you have to fight to stay awake and need to keep yourself busy to not fall asleep, you are deprived of sleep. I actually make a point to always sleep at least 6, after sports often even 8 hours. I personally hat thate sting in your brain that you get when sleep deprived, u much rather have 4 hours less in a day and not deal with that. It keeps me from doing anything productive.
Well the goal is to not be sleep deprived after the initial re-adjustment. Then the body should be running as normal by going directly into REM sleep and letting you function as completely normal. There has been many people who have done this for months or even years running at 100% so I'm not too concerned. The goal is isn't to function off of sleep deprivation, it's to only need little sleep.
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i am interested, are there studies that show that this not only covers sleepiness, but reduces the need to sleep?
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On December 17 2013 10:34 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +productivity... http://www.med.upenn.edu/uep/user_documents/dfd3.pdfsleep deprivation severely affects your brain. In some cases it affects performace just as much as being drunk. (like accidentally switching AM and PM :p) And make no mistake, when you have to fight to stay awake and need to keep yourself busy to not fall asleep, you are deprived of sleep. I actually make a point to always sleep at least 6, after sports often even 8 hours. I personally hat thate sting in your brain that you get when sleep deprived, u much rather have 4 hours less in a day and not deal with that. It keeps me from doing anything productive. Well the goal is to not be sleep deprived after the initial re-adjustment. Then the body should be running as normal by going directly into REM sleep and letting you function as completely normal. There has been many people who have done this for months or even years running at 100% so I'm not too concerned. The goal is isn't to function off of sleep deprivation, it's to only need little sleep.
How are you replacing your NREM?
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How are you replacing your NREM?
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I would like to see someone working a full time job with kids try this. It would make a great sitcom. Also I don't think giving yourself an extra six hours a day means you're not procrastinating as much. I think it means you are giving yourself an extra six hours so you are doing a few more hours of work and procrastinating just as much. Not saying that you're not procrastinating less, its just the first thing that came to my mind. And if your performance does fall off, which I think whether you're willing to admit it or not will happen, is it really worth it to get those "extra" hours.
I commend your efforts, discipline, and willpower but also you are 19. Enjoy your sleep while you can and get out of the house and start doing things that make sleeping like this impossible. Start running around chasing girls (or boys) and having so much fucking fun you cannot help but pass out after MELTING YOUR BRAIN INTO YOUR PANTS FROM EXHAUSTION! We only get one life in this body and we only get our teens for so long.
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On December 17 2013 16:15 Wrongspeedy wrote:
I would like to see someone working a full time job with kids try this. It would make a great sitcom. Also I don't think giving yourself an extra six hours a day means you're not procrastinating as much. I think it means you are giving yourself an extra six hours so you are doing a few more hours of work and procrastinating just as much. Not saying that you're not procrastinating less, its just the first thing that came to my mind. And if your performance does fall off, which I think whether you're willing to admit it or not will happen, is it really worth it to get those "extra" hours.
I commend your efforts, discipline, and willpower but also you are 19. Enjoy your sleep while you can and get out of the house and start doing things that make sleeping like this impossible. Start running around chasing girls (or boys) and having so much fucking fun you cannot help but pass out after MELTING YOUR BRAIN INTO YOUR PANTS FROM EXHAUSTION! We only get one life in this body and we only get our teens for so long.
Haha, there are people who have done it. Typically people give it up rather quickly though due to the rest of the world not being on the sleep schedule it quickly becomes inconvient to not be able to leave the house for more than 5 or so hours without having a nap.
As for the procrastination thing, I completely see how you got the idea but that's not what I meant at all by it. I feel like I am procrastinating less not because I get more done in a day (Because +6 hours) but because each 6 hour block of the day feels kind of like its own mini-day and my mind goes "Oh, well I have to sleep in less than 6 hours, I want to get something done today though." so each block I'm always at least getting something done compared to a 24 hour cycle where I might get one thing done with the same mindset. So it's a combination of that + the extra hours that I have been finding a lot more progression.
As for me being 19, I agree. However, I'm not a social person, I have a lot of anxiety and rarely leave the house and such and so until that changes I wouldn't be having any more enjoyment out of life than being on the schedule. Although I am slightly worried about the health affect on me, mostly because sleep is so mysterious to us still. However there have been people doing it for years without side affects so it helps some. If anything I'm just worried about slowing my biological growth that happens during youth. Regardless I don't plan on staying on this schedule longer than a single semester of college and considering I eat healthy, I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, etc.. This one vice shouldn't hurt too much. Plus there is a very solid chance I won't even make it a month, haha. But I am motivated so I like to think I can reach my goal before deciding to quit or stay on the schedule.
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I wish I had a schedule that would allow me to live like this. Good luck and have fun
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On December 17 2013 18:59 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I wish I had a schedule that would allow me to live like this. Good luck and have fun
Thanks! Feeling fantastic so far, but I've been told numerous time right now and the next few days will be hell for me while I adjust, but so far everything is going great! I'll keep you updated, thanks for the kind words.
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Any update on your status? Or are you asleep now for a few.....days?
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On December 17 2013 23:57 kusto wrote:Any update on your status? Or are you asleep now for a few.....days?
Sorry, I was wondering around the house for a few minutes trying to get my blood flowing, haha. Pretty much just updated the main post. Woke up from this latest nap feeling notably tired still for the first time. I'm really hoping I won't have to force an extra nap, I think it will pass once I eat something though.
Anyway, still up, on day 3 overall results so far have been great, not asleep for a few days yet, haha. ;P
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Theres no point having an extra nap. They're either gonna refresh you fully with one nap, or have no real effect. You're gonna feel really fucking shitty, and you've just gotta accept that and wait for the next nap. 
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On December 18 2013 01:28 Zealos wrote:Theres no point having an extra nap. They're either gonna refresh you fully with one nap, or have no real effect. You're gonna feel really fucking shitty, and you've just gotta accept that and wait for the next nap.
Yeah, I figured this was true. I decided against the nap and I actually feel better already so all is well. I just hope I don't have too many more tired awakenings in a row.
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On December 17 2013 19:22 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 18:59 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I wish I had a schedule that would allow me to live like this. Good luck and have fun Thanks! Feeling fantastic so far, but I've been told numerous time right now and the next few days will be hell for me while I adjust, but so far everything is going great! I'll keep you updated, thanks for the kind words.
from 16 hours / day to 22 h/day! you just increased by 37,5 %. Who wouldnt think thats awesome
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On December 18 2013 02:45 Kleinmuuhg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 19:22 Valestrum wrote:On December 17 2013 18:59 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
I wish I had a schedule that would allow me to live like this. Good luck and have fun Thanks! Feeling fantastic so far, but I've been told numerous time right now and the next few days will be hell for me while I adjust, but so far everything is going great! I'll keep you updated, thanks for the kind words. from 16 hours / day to 22 h/day! you just increased by 37,5 %. Who wouldnt think thats awesome
Assuming you reduce the amount of daily maintenance because maintenance does not grow linearly with number of hours awake, your hours of productivity would increase by more than 38%.
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from 16 hours / day to 22 h/day! you just increased by 37,5 %. Who wouldnt think thats awesome
It is pretty awesome to think of it that way, yeah ^_^ I'm really loving it so far, even this last nap where I woke up tired still 10/10 worth doing so far. I really look forward to being fully adjusted, I'm a little scared I won't be able to do it because of how difficult Dymaxion is for most people (Compared to every, uber, and other forms of polyphasic sleeping) and there hasn't been a large amount of people who have done it. So far so good though, I've made it farther than half the logs I've seen on Dymaxion so far and I have only just begun, haha.
I feel motivated and resilient and think I can make my goal a reality as long as I retain the want. I think the key is just I need to stick to my guidelines which are:
- Eat healthy ( Avoid junk food and food that requires my body to spend a lot of energy to absorb )
- Sleep off of beds ( So it's easier to not sleep-in )
- Stay active ( No staring at walls or laying on a couch watching TV )
- Maintain morale ( Keep up on blog posts, hopefully have support )
- Strict napping ( NEVER skip a nap. EVER. Never delay it more than a few minutes, try not to even do that. Above all though, never sleep in. )
- Drink lots of water ( Water is just my favorite drink, but it's so damn healthy I figure it has to help. )
- Set a goal for each 6 hour period so I am constantly accomplishing things and feeling good.
Anyway, thanks again for the kind words.
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On December 18 2013 00:13 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2013 23:57 kusto wrote:Any update on your status? Or are you asleep now for a few.....days? Sorry, I was wondering around the house for a few minutes trying to get my blood flowing, haha. Pretty much just updated the main post. Woke up from this latest nap feeling notably tired still for the first time. I'm really hoping I won't have to force an extra nap, I think it will pass once I eat something though. Anyway, still up, on day 3 overall results so far have been great, not asleep for a few days yet, haha. ;P
I'm very curious at how your experiment will end. Please keep us updated frequently (this will probably motivate you even more to stay awake..)
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I'm very curious at how your experiment will end. Please keep us updated frequently (this will probably motivate you even more to stay awake..)
You and I both! I definitely post more frequently when people show interest and post by ideally I'd like to post after every nap (Like I have been doing with edits on page 1)
Thanks for the post btw, I love knowing I'm not the only one who is interested in the experiment!
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On December 17 2013 12:42 Valestrum wrote:
I don't get it
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Well as I approach day 4 the painful part of the adjustment kicks in.. Feeling tired and sleeping in a comfy bed for 28 hours straight seems extremely desirable. However my will remains intact, I shall continue my quest of concerning sleep; one nap at a time.
These next 3 hours until my 9:15PM nap will be slow..
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Just wanted to update you guys: Well into day #4 and things are still going well overall.. I had some tired spots the last few naps but I have managed. Today I am going to try and go out and see newest The Hobbit movie in theaters and see how that goes.
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I guess now the time has come where things get rough? How are you feeling in terms of mental capacity? Has you thinking become more blurry or slower than before the experiment?
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On December 19 2013 19:30 kusto wrote:
I guess now the time has come where things get rough? How are you feeling in terms of mental capacity? Has you thinking become more blurry or slower than before the experiment?
Things aren't rough, I guess all my years of sleep depreviation via hardcore gaming prepared me well for this when combined with following a set of tips and such for myself to follow.
100% sharp, no blurry or slower, I feel fantastic. Looking forward to the future with the shcedule.
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I wonder what kind of effects this would have on the recovery process? I'd imagine if someone was working out constantly trying to maximize strength gains, that he would still want to get a full 8 hours of sleep each night.
I've considered trying similar sleep schedules in the past, but I would honestly just benefit more from spending my 16 waking hours more efficiently than trying to spend more time awake.
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OP hasn't posted in >2 days. He must be dead (or asleep)
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On December 22 2013 07:50 Release wrote:
OP hasn't posted in >2 days. He must be dead (or asleep)
I'm watching this thread very closely still, i hope you're wrong
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On December 22 2013 17:31 kusto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 07:50 Release wrote:
OP hasn't posted in >2 days. He must be dead (or asleep) I'm watching this thread very closely still, i hope you're wrong
Oh shit, sorry guys, haha. Nope, everything has been going perfectly, pretty sure I'm adjusted now and everything is going well. It just seemed everyone lost interest so I stopped updating.
But umm.. Yeah, all goes well! I mean occasionally I'm a little tired, but I was before. The worst thing that has happened really was I felt really tired and lazy one day so I slept in another 2 hours or so but that was just a problem with self-discipline / motivation. Overall though.. Experiment a success imo. I'll keep going and let you guys know as long as you're interested. ^^
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On December 23 2013 19:19 mancaked wrote:Why dont you progressively decrease you nap time? I have got my sleep down from 8 hours a day down to 3.5 hours in the last 2 months and will get it down to 2 hours in few more weeks. You should have checked http://pulsify.blogspot.com/ there are like quite a few people who are sleeping very less using the guide on there.
Because I am already at 2 hours, the lowest safely possible imo? I'm sorry, I may have misunderstood the question.
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Awesome work if it's still going well man, keep updating this from time to time, I'm still interested :3
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Came to update and say that alarm clocks are still needed, tried to see if I could wake up on time without one and overslept a few hours.
That being said I did have a long day and it was the 9PM nap which is the hardest to wake up from probably. That being said throughout this I have napped several times and I have been able to adjust back extremely easily for the most part if I overslept accidentally.
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Any updates? Experiment still running?
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On December 30 2013 17:19 kusto wrote:
Any updates? Experiment still running?
Still alive, still running, some minor fuck-ups like forgetting an alarm and sleeping in a few hours once or twice. Overall though, things have been a success. ^^
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Wow. Over a month. Such persistence. Much success.
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You aren't dead? Share pls
What is worst about cycle?
Who can do it and what kind of schedule do you need?
Do you still get 2 hours of sleep or have you upped it to 4? 4 is still good.
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On January 16 2014 20:33 obesechicken13 wrote:
You aren't dead? Share pls
What is worst about cycle?
Who can do it and what kind of schedule do you need?
Do you still get 2 hours of sleep or have you upped it to 4? 4 is still good.
Well, I may be in a coma or something, but I haven't confirmed it yet if that's the case. Pretty sure I'm alive and well.
The worst thing about the cycle is two things probably:
1. You begin to miss sleep a fair bit. It's a bit unsatisfying thinking "Oh, I've had such a tiresome day, I can't wait to go home and just sleep for 12+ hours." and then not be able to sleep for more than 30 minutes.
2. Being social or wanting to go out becomes a lot more burdensome. I've had several times when I had to say I couldn't go out because I had a nap coming up, and I have had to walk away from watching a movie or TV show with my family several times to take a nap. Kind of sucks.
I still get 2 hours of sleep. I won't lie and say I was perfect this entire time though. For all I know it might average 4 hours. I've had alarms fuck-up, I've felt shitty and just slept because I didn't care, I've overslept once or twice. Overall though, I've never gone a full day without taking a nap and I've slept only 2 hours the definite majority of the month+ of time I've been on the schedule.
If there is one thing I'd say to someone wanting to do this sleep method (and it DEFINITELY isn't for everyone) it is this:
YOU MUST BE MOTIVATED TO BE ON THIS SLEEP CYCLE. Usually a sleep cycle like this is taken up in a life or death situation. IE: A soldier under the constant threat of being ambushed or attacked and having to be alert and ready as much as possible. You won't be able to do this if you don't care about the extra 6 hours. You have to actively CHOOSE to TAKE those extra 6 hours every day. It's not incredibly hard, but it sure as hell isn't easy.
Waking up from a 3:45AM nap with nothing really to do until 11:30AM for example takes a large amount of willpower to go "Yeah, I do want to get up now." instead of staying tucked away in a warm comfy bed.
That being said though, it's not always bad waking up, it's typically just the 9PM or 3AM naps and that is only for the first few minutes of being awake (Until you get your blood flowing and put something in your stomach)
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do you still have dreams?
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Are you drastically more productive now?
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On January 17 2014 00:32 LaNague wrote:
do you still have dreams?
Yep, very frequently, I dream more than ever.
On January 17 2014 03:19 Mothra wrote:
Are you drastically more productive now?
About 30% more productive, if I had to put a number on it.
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about the dreams, do you know if you have only 1st person dreams or do you also have the dreams where the dreamer isnt involved at all?
the 2nd ones are rarely remembered because they happen in the deeper sleep states, but maybe you know.
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Wanted to say good job OP for not giving up so easily and continuing with this experiment.
On January 17 2014 16:56 Valestrum wrote:Yep, very frequently, I dream more than ever. Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 03:19 Mothra wrote:
Are you drastically more productive now? About 30% more productive, if I had to put a number on it.
when you nap, you end up going into REM directly so I don't think it's so much as 'I dream more' but rather, you just remember them more
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On January 18 2014 02:06 LaNague wrote:
about the dreams, do you know if you have only 1st person dreams or do you also have the dreams where the dreamer isnt involved at all?
the 2nd ones are rarely remembered because they happen in the deeper sleep states, but maybe you know.
1st and 3rd person only I believe.. I don't think I can ever remember having a dream that didn't involve myself in some form.. I mean, sometimes I (the dreamer) take a different form or body, but I don't recall ever having a dream in my life where I'm not there in any form.
Wanted to say good job OP for not giving up so easily and continuing with this experiment.
Thanks!
when you nap, you end up going into REM directly so I don't think it's so much as 'I dream more' but rather, you just remember them more
Actually, more is correct, since I wake up 4 times a day I now have approximately 4 times a many dreams. (Only counting dreams I can remember, of course.)
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On January 18 2014 16:30 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 02:06 LaNague wrote:
about the dreams, do you know if you have only 1st person dreams or do you also have the dreams where the dreamer isnt involved at all?
the 2nd ones are rarely remembered because they happen in the deeper sleep states, but maybe you know. 1st and 3rd person only I believe.. I don't think I can ever remember having a dream that didn't involve myself in some form.. I mean, sometimes I (the dreamer) take a different form or body, but I don't recall ever having a dream in my life where I'm not there in any form. Show nested quote +
Wanted to say good job OP for not giving up so easily and continuing with this experiment.
Thanks! Show nested quote +when you nap, you end up going into REM directly so I don't think it's so much as 'I dream more' but rather, you just remember them more Actually, more is correct, since I wake up 4 times a day I now have approximately 4 times a many dreams. (Only counting dreams I can remember, of course.)
np. Well, when it comes to dream, nap gets you into REM and then you wake up from the dream(your nap) and remember it. Most people don't remember their dreams because it's either they go into a deep sleep, are forgetful or wake up (likely) during a non-REM period. There are other reasons but my mind is too sleep to think of more XD
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On December 22 2013 07:50 Release wrote:
OP hasn't posted in >2 days. He must be dead (or asleep)
Still here, still alive, still not asleep.
Just had stuff to do and not much to say, haha. Currently entered in a Start-Up Weekend competetion making a company with a few other people in a 54 hour time-block. This may be the golden moment for my sleep schedule.
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On January 25 2014 19:51 Valestrum wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2013 07:50 Release wrote:
OP hasn't posted in >2 days. He must be dead (or asleep) Still here, still alive, still not asleep. Just had stuff to do and not much to say, haha. Currently entered in a Start-Up Weekend competetion making a company with a few other people in a 54 hour time-block. This may be the golden moment for my sleep schedule.
Wow, I didn't know they had these things for business students. In programming we have hackathons. What's it called for businesses? What does it mostly involve?
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On January 26 2014 08:47 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 19:51 Valestrum wrote:On December 22 2013 07:50 Release wrote:
OP hasn't posted in >2 days. He must be dead (or asleep) Still here, still alive, still not asleep. Just had stuff to do and not much to say, haha. Currently entered in a Start-Up Weekend competetion making a company with a few other people in a 54 hour time-block. This may be the golden moment for my sleep schedule. Wow, I didn't know they had these things for business students. In programming we have hackathons. What's it called for businesses? What does it mostly involve?
Link: http://startupweekend.org/about/
TL;DR: "Startup Weekends are 54-hour events where developers, designers, marketers, product managers and startup enthusiasts come together to share ideas, form teams, build products, and launch startups!"
Basically anyone interested in making a business come together for a weekend project / competetion. It's definitely not just business students. I'm not a business student, neither are most people. People of all ages, genders, professions, and talents go. Some people make a mobile application, market it, get legal advice, get investors, etc.. Go see the site.
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Almost 6 months from your last update.
You said you were going to do just a semester, so, are you still on schedule?
I'm just trying out the everyman schedule, and I'm curious about dymaxion.
Please, describe your experience.
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+ Show Spoiler +Today I decided to finally try out the sleep schedule I have been researching for awhile. To put it shortly dymaxion sleep method is a form of polyphasic sleeping (sleeping multiple times a day.) what the goal result is is that instead of sleeping 8+ hours a day every night I will be sleeping 30 minutes at a time 4 times a day (A total of 2 hours per 24 hours). I'm doing this naturally for the extra 6 hours of time every day and because it is an effective way to experience more lucid dreaming and remember your dreams more often because the entire point of the short naps is to go directly into REM sleep. Anyway, today was day 1 with no real prep, I was running off a little less sleep than I probably normally was at; overall though, nothing special just setup my schedule and started. The times I decided to sleep were the following: 3:15 until 3:45 both AM / PM and 9:15 until 9:45 both AM / PM I chose these times purely because they fit my spring 2014 college semester schedule. If I had no daily occupations I would probably go for the easier uberman method of six 20 minute naps a day. Anyway nap #1 @ 3:15 was a bit of a bust, I was a little excited to get started and I normally sleep around 8AM so naturally I couldn't fall asleep but I wasn't very worried due to not sleeping at that time normally anyway. Nap #2 @ 9:15AM didn't go great, but considering it being my first real nap I think it went well. What happened was I overslept an entire 2 hours and 15 minutes accidentally (No alarm went off or I didn't hear it.) Nap #3 @ 3:15PM This one went pretty ideal, I'm not 100% if I fell asleep or not but I entered a state of complete relaxation and rest at least and actually woke up a couple minutes before my alarm went off. Nap #4 @ 9:15PM is in less than an hour so I'll come back and update on how that goes when it happens. I'm still hardly into the experiment but so far my mental clarity is perfect, tiredness at the moment is negliable, and my willpower to continue is high. Hopefully things continue to go well, I read a lot of tips and hopefully learned from others mistakes. Wish me luck, I suppose. EDIT: 9:15PM nap was had, it went pretty good, I had an alarming dream where I was driving and the car in front of me slammed on their breaks so I had a massive surge of adrenaline and woke up a tiny bit early. Relaxed laying down for the remainder of 10 minutes and then got up feeling fantastic. I'll keep you guys updated for each nap and answer questions below. EDIT #2: My 3:15 -> 3:45AM nap went pretty much perfect. I fell asleep, dreamed, woke up all on time. I didn't feel very awake, so I went to go eat some food and now I'm awake as normal but I realize I probably made a problem for myself in the future. Out of hunger and bad judgement I decided to make a bagel with jelly and cream cheese + 2 strawberry pop-tarts. I know I should stick to more raw foods and my body needs more time to process such "bleh" foods like bread and pastries. Oh well, no sense dwelling on it; I still hope for the best. Edit #3: Took my latest nap (9:15AM -> 9:45AM) a little tired, but otherwise so far so good.
Edit #4: A bit of a setback with nap #7, I overslept 3 hours. I am frustrated with myself but overall not very worried. It turns out I set my most important and effective alarm to AM instead of PM thus it never went off which is much different than it went off and I didn't hear it or I turned it off in my sleep somehow. I feel immensely better finding that out and look forward to the experiment and making sure I don't make such simple mistakes again. Edit #5: Woke up from my nap, feeling pretty good, everything went according to plan I suppose. Edit #6: This nap (3:15->3:45AM) was GREAT! Feel asleep on time, woke up on time, feeling energized and refreshed. Onto Day 3!! Edit #7: My 9:15->9:45AM nap went exactly as planned but I feel pretty drowsy after waking up. Edit #8: Just woke up from 3:15PM nap, this one did go perfectly (asleep instantly, up quickly) however I still feel a bit drowsy which sucks. Edit #9: Woke up feeling the worst yet.. I still haven't given up, though I now see why others have. Ughh.. Pushing myself onwards, I hope it gets better soon or at the very least I will need an extra nap to prevent passing out. (micro-edit: Ate food, watched TV, woke up a bit.. Went from miserable to "Decentish I guess" feeling.) Edit #10: Woke up tired again, not sure if I'm getting used to being tired or getting less tired, but things aren't as bad as the last couple naps I think. I have been falling asleep and waking up easily to say the least. Edit #11: I'm going to be updating less frequently unless more interest appears. So far so good though, naps are all going according to plan and I feel fine. Edit: #12 starting today (the 19th and day 5 I will be updating the main post once a day. If anyone has any questions though I of course will still be monitoring the thread and reply within an hour or two 24/7.)
Edit: #13 All still going well. Edit: #14 it has been over a week, its the 21st, things still going perfectly fine. I'll probably own make a few more updates unless interest rises. Edit: #15 - I'd say project success at this point. Fucked up several times along the way, still not 100% as efficient at maintaining the schedule as perfectly as I'd like but.. It works and I plan to continue.
Edit: #16 FINAL UPDATE -- Many months later:
Alright so, interest dropped off on here and I didn't want to spam. However, I realized I never posted back when the experiment was meant to conclude. So I'm back now to report my results. It was a success. This sleep schedule is definitely possible and I did it for several months (99.5% non-stop after the first week or two) while feeling great.
I did have some hiccups along the way, mostly when I was just starting out where I would oversleep by accident and so forth. If anyone ever stumbles upon this thread and once some tips here are a few off the top of my head, feel free to message me for more:
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This is stuff I learned mostly the hard way by fucking up my schedule. The good news is that the longer you continue the schedule the easier it gets. For example after a month or so I was waking up without the use of alarm clocks every time. (Although I always kept at least one just in case.)
- If you aren't experienced with staying up late, don't even think about this. To get adjusted you will have to go through a hell of a trial. For people that stay up 72 hours in a row for LAN parties relatively easy, this is for you. Even if you frequently go days without sleep the first week or two on this schedule will be a challange.
- When starting out set alarm clocks. A LOT of alarm clocks. Like.. 3+
- Change alarm clock ring-tones, if you keep it the same for too long you will sleep them.
- Keep alarms out of arms reach. You will turn them off in your sleep. Trust me, you will.
- Use alarm clocks that prevent asleep you from turning them off.
Bad examples: Swipe to turn off, requires to be plugged into the wall, push to turn off. You will turn all of these off in your sleep.
Good examples: A laptop with a password set or puzzle alarm clocks
- Sleep on the floor. Your bed is designed to be cozy and easy to sleep in. Trust me, you'll be tired enough in the beginning to fall asleep just fine without it. It makes it tremendously easier to wake up from though. (Again, things like this you can skip over after you're a few weeks / a month in)
- Eat well, drink a lot of water. Basically just be healthy, if you're stuffing yourself full of junk food it'll be harder to wake up.
- Don't do anything important your first week or two.
- Don't drive your first week or so. (You should be able to tell how you feel and what you can do, but please be safe.)
- Make sure people know when you nap. Make it very clear you are not to be woken during your naps.
- HAVE SOMETHING TO DO! If you don't have any use for the time, what is the point? Have a purpose. Know well in advance why you want this time because you must take this time, it isn't just lying there. If you do not have a reason to be awake you will not want to stay up for 6 hours when you're tired. (Note: You lose all the bad feelings after the semi-long adjustment period.)
- You can start cold-turkey. I've seen a lot of people try to ease into the schedule over weeks, it seems like a massive waste of time, especially since most of them quit. Just dive into it and start the schedule now / tomorrow. If you can't handle it (and many people biologically can't) you'll save yourself time.
- Find someone to support you. It could be someone starting the schedule as well (although the vast majority quit, so be careful. I have only ever even heard of a few people use the dymaxion schedule successfully for over two weeks.) A friend, significant other, family member, etc.. will help you a lot as you tough out the first week or two.
- Expanding on the last point, if you can get someone to physically wake up you, that is fantastic.
- Place alarm clocks on thin flat surfaces. Many alarm clocks vibrate when they ring (smartphones), having the extra noise / vibrations will help you get us.
- Try to avoid energy drinks if you can. It's a temporary fix and will fuck you up later.
- Eat apples. Apples and other healthy foods (especially lemons and other juicy / cold / sour fruits and such) will wake you up very well and don't have any negatives. Seriously, apples saved me more than once. Get some.
- HAVE A PURPOSE! I said it before in caps, but it's seriously the BIGGEST thing. If you do not have a reason to stay awake, you won't. Ask yourself why you want the extra hours a day and then acknowledge it when you are tired during the first week or two.
You may be wondering though, "hey, I thought it was a success? Why did you stop?" Valid question. As I said, and would like to emphasize, I can maintain the schedule, you might be able to as well. It is definitely possible long-term. The problem lies with the fact that sleeping 4 times a day, relatively strictly, is very difficult to do in terms of having a life. I hardly even had a life, even that being said though.. It is a bitch. You'll constantly find yourself in situations where you're forced into saying "Sorry, I can't go, I have to nap in within 2 hours and <insert fun activity> would take 3+ hours." Yes, you can skip a nap and go back. Yes, you can sleep normally one night and go back, the point is that it is a slippery slope though. It's very easy to get off the schedule and not-so-much to keep it running optimally and if you get careless for even a couple days you'll be potentially setting yourself back ten times as long.
P.S. You may think you can just nap in your car in order to do things still; I did it a few times; trust me, it's not a good answer. It will suck.
I would love to pickup this schedule again though in the future, I think I almost certainly will. It's just simply a matter of scheduling.
TL;DR: It worked. 9/10, would be called a freak who is going to accidentally kill himself by tons of internet strangers again for the glorious extra 6+ hours a day if my schedule permitted.
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