EPTDymaxion Sleep Experiment - Sleeping 2 hours a day - Page 2
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Roe
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
On December 16 2013 14:03 Qwyn wrote: Alright well I will start by asking! We get to thinking pronto. 1. What is your alarm setup? A. Time staggering. B. Amount of alarms. C. Location. D. Volume/repeat. 2. What is your wakeup routine? This is key. 3. What physical are you doing/planning to do in the interim between naps? This will also be key. 4. How do you plan to deal with lack of motor-control? It will get to the point where your brain lags so much that you are almost completely dysfunctional. 5. How do you plan to mitigate failure? (Prevent oversleeping, re-adapt, re-assess). 6. What is your list of activities to do BESIDES programming? When you are completely braindead this isn't a good one to do. 7. What is your diet makeup going to look like? You'll find that you get very hungry on 20 hours a day. Thinking about this beforehand may prevent you from eating things which make you sleepy or binging. 8. Do you have a good list of people to talk to? Not just Skype/SMS, actual conversations. This is a strong preventative measure. 9. Do you have a notebook with timeslots all set out to record? Seems like you do - blogging is nice, computer is best - might prevent you from losing the fucker like I did. 1. A. 1st alarm at end of nap, backup alarm 2 minutes after B. 2 one is a default one on my phone, the second is on some painfully loud speakers on my laptop that require me to type a password to turn off C. Phone is usually on a bed near me (I am sleeping on the ground) or charging a few feet away D. Max volume, no repeat on phone, laptop will not stop until it is powered off or a password is entered. 2. Not much of a routine yet.. My brain just immediately goes to "QUICKLY, YOU FOOL, GET UP AND DEACTIVATE THE LAPTOP ALARM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!" ever since I turned it on.. That thing is loud and annoying as hell. 3. Most of my time is doing stuff on the computer (Programming, reading, research, gaming, listening to music) but I also like to wonder around my house, eat an apple, grab some OJ, etc.. 4. I guess I'll come to this point when needed, only nervous because I live upstairs in my house but I have a rail I can use.. I don't think it will be so much of an issue that I feel like I will fall down the stairs, if it does I'll work around it. Other than though I don't really need motor skills until January 8th which should be a non-issue by then. 5. So far the only way I see myself oversleeping is subconsciously. If I turn off the alarm clocks in zombie-sleep mode then I will go hardcore mode and change shit up. Probably set backup alarms every other minute and potentially tape an alarm clock to above my fan and turn it on before I go to bed so I have to turn off the fan, get a chair, and turn it off. 6. Gaming, reading, Reddit / TL lurking, updating this blog, listening to music, watching TV / movies with parents.. Ummm... That's the gist of it. I find it difficult to get bored with internet access. 7. My mom likes to cook and she is a health freak so that covers me 1-2 meals a day which will be the healthiest thing imaginable knowing her.. Lots of vegetables and such.. Besides that I plan on having apples, orange juice, cherry-tomatoes, eggs and maybe meats. I want to try and avoid bread, pizza, ramen, etc.. But I honestly will have one of those every other day once probably. 8. Not really, I do have a person on Skype who is usually up around 9PM - 9AM which is good though. 9. The goal is to record everything via this blog How can I improve? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
Food. Eat a 4 meal day, you'll need it. Have a ton of stuff to do, bored - sleep. Lots of alarms. Keep this updated though, I wish you the best of luck : D | ||
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
On December 16 2013 18:33 Zealos wrote: I managed uberman for a short time. Let me echo a few points: Food. Eat a 4 meal day, you'll need it. Have a ton of stuff to do, bored - sleep. Lots of alarms. Keep this updated though, I wish you the best of luck : D How short? Care to share more information on it? Yeah, I noticed my hunger already; food shouldn't be an issue. Tasty food might though, I'll be sure to try and restock soon. Boredom is a complete non-issue, I am a seasoned geek born and raised on the internet. Boredom cannot exist while internet connection is available. Like.. Wow! I just get excited thinking about it sometimes if that doesn't sound too weird, haha.. I just LOVE to learn and there is so much.. Yeah, not an issue. As for alarms I have one "decent" one and one extremely loud one that requires me to type in a password and click something to turn off so I think I'm good. I'll definitely keep the blog updated though, after all I got the time to, haha.  | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On December 16 2013 19:04 Valestrum wrote: How short? Care to share more information on it? Yeah, I noticed my hunger already; food shouldn't be an issue. Tasty food might though, I'll be sure to try and restock soon. Boredom is a complete non-issue, I am a seasoned geek born and raised on the internet. Boredom cannot exist while internet connection is available. Like.. Wow! I just get excited thinking about it sometimes if that doesn't sound too weird, haha.. I just LOVE to learn and there is so much.. Yeah, not an issue. As for alarms I have one "decent" one and one extremely loud one that requires me to type in a password and click something to turn off so I think I'm good. I'll definitely keep the blog updated though, after all I got the time to, haha. Couple of months. If theres anything specific then I would be happy to share, just ask away and I'll respond when I get back to my home PC. | ||
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
Couple of months. If theres anything specific then I would be happy to share, just ask away and I'll respond when I get back to my home PC. Why did you quit? How long did it take you to feel adjusted? What was the worst part of it? The best part? Why did you start in the first place? Any tips? | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On December 16 2013 10:25 Valestrum wrote: Today I decided to finally try out the sleep schedule I have been researching for awhile. To put it shortly dymaxion sleep method is a form of polyphasic sleeping (sleeping multiple times a day.) what the goal result is is that instead of sleeping 8+ hours a day every night I will be sleeping 30 minutes at a time 4 times a day (A total of 2 hours per 24 hours). I'm doing this naturally for the extra 6 hours of time every day and because it is an effective way to experience more lucid dreaming and remember your dreams more often because the entire point of the short naps is to go directly into REM sleep. Anyway, today was day 1 with no real prep, I was running off a little less sleep than I probably normally was at; overall though, nothing special just setup my schedule and started. The times I decided to sleep were the following: 3:15 until 3:45 both AM / PM and 9:15 until 9:45 both AM / PM I chose these times purely because they fit my spring 2014 college semester schedule. If I had no daily occupations I would probably go for the easier uberman method of six 20 minute naps a day. Anyway nap #1 @ 3:15 was a bit of a bust, I was a little excited to get started and I normally sleep around 8AM so naturally I couldn't fall asleep but I wasn't very worried due to not sleeping at that time normally anyway. Nap #2 @ 9:15AM didn't go great, but considering it being my first real nap I think it went well. What happened was I overslept an entire 2 hours and 15 minutes accidentally (No alarm went off or I didn't hear it.) Nap #3 @ 3:15PM This one went pretty ideal, I'm not 100% if I fell asleep or not but I entered a state of complete relaxation and rest at least and actually woke up a couple minutes before my alarm went off. Nap #4 @ 9:15PM is in less than an hour so I'll come back and update on how that goes when it happens. I'm still hardly into the experiment but so far my mental clarity is perfect, tiredness at the moment is negliable, and my willpower to continue is high. Hopefully things continue to go well, I read a lot of tips and hopefully learned from others mistakes. Wish me luck, I suppose. EDIT: 9:15PM nap was had, it went pretty good, I had an alarming dream where I was driving and the car in front of me slammed on their breaks so I had a massive surge of adrenaline and woke up a tiny bit early. Relaxed laying down for the remainder of 10 minutes and then got up feeling fantastic. I'll keep you guys updated for each nap and answer questions below. EDIT #2: My 3:15 -> 3:45AM nap went pretty much perfect. I fell asleep, dreamed, woke up all on time. I didn't feel very awake, so I went to go eat some food and now I'm awake as normal but I realize I probably made a problem for myself in the future. Out of hunger and bad judgement I decided to make a bagel with jelly and cream cheese + 2 strawberry pop-tarts. I know I should stick to more raw foods and my body needs more time to process such "bleh" foods like bread and pastries. Oh well, no sense dwelling on it; I still hope for the best. Mental clarity: 9.5/10 feeling good Tiredness: 1.5/10 feeling good Side affects: None Naps down: 5 Current day of experiment: 2 i dunno.... whats the issue with sleeping like every body else does? OK sure you sleep 6+ hours/day but maybe your sleep schedule isnt healthy if you fall asleep once your a bit bored or eat something 'heavy' | ||
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
i dunno.... whats the issue with sleeping like every body else does? OK sure you sleep 6+ hours/day but maybe your sleep schedule isnt healthy if you fall asleep once your a bit bored or eat something 'heavy' There isn't an issue, 99% of the world sleeps like that! I just find the prospect of being awake 22 hours much more appealing due to the extra productivity, especially since I now procrastinate less. As for falling asleep, it's just a matter of discipline; I should know better than to eat something 'heavy' and boredom isn't an issue what-so-ever for me. If I do fall asleep though, it will suck, but I will just re-adjust myself to fit the schedule assuming it's an odd occurence and not my body telling me I can't do the schedule. | ||
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Roe
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
Takes just over a week to adjust, time just before adjusting is miserable. If you've never been super sleep deprived, you'll know what you're in for. It's like, middle of the night, and you're exhausted, but you have no sleep to look forward to. There's no "If I can survive 4 more hours, I can sleep", so it's pretty grim at that point. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
On December 16 2013 21:49 Valestrum wrote: There isn't an issue, 99% of the world sleeps like that! I just find the prospect of being awake 22 hours much more appealing due to the extra productivity, especially since I now procrastinate less. As for falling asleep, it's just a matter of discipline; I should know better than to eat something 'heavy' and boredom isn't an issue what-so-ever for me. If I do fall asleep though, it will suck, but I will just re-adjust myself to fit the schedule assuming it's an odd occurence and not my body telling me I can't do the schedule. I don't know about this stuff, but "extra productivity" seems like a bad reason to do this. Unless you're physically stuck in a job like 10 hours a day, then surely you can manage your time towards more productive things. I guess my question is how well you spend your time on a regular sleep schedule? If by productive you mean brain intensive/creative activities, I don't think the concept of more hours = better quality works. It may work with menial, brainless tasks, but how many hours are those really taking, and could they be taken care of by cutting down on browsing/movies etc? | ||
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
I don't know about this stuff, but "extra productivity" seems like a bad reason to do this. Unless you're physically stuck in a job like 10 hours a day, then surely you can manage your time towards more productive things. I guess my question is how well you spend your time on a regular sleep schedule? If by productive you mean brain intensive/creative activities, I don't think the concept of more hours = better quality works. It may work with menial, brainless tasks, but how many hours are those really taking, and could they be taken care of by cutting down on browsing/movies etc? I spend my time "decently" I guess on a regular sleep schedule but my regular sleep schedule is still irregular for most people, there would be no two nights I fell asleep at the same time in a week typically. As for the hours I believe it will be more productive and I am happy with the choice I have made so far. I don't want to cut down on pleasurable things like browsing / movies as you put it too much. As long as my body proves to be able to handle this sleep schedule I definitely want to at least try it for a few weeks. Oh and also @Roe: Yes, I have. Just a status update btw: Nearing my next nap (3:15PM), feeling really good overall. Today was the "worst' I felt "decent" and at best I was feeling absolutely fantastic. Looking forward to continuing, I find it strange I haven't found any of the negative zombifying issues yet, but I feel like I will be able to hand it if / when it does come around. So far so good, loving the schedule thus far. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43734 Posts
Good luck! | ||
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MtlGuitarist97
United States1539 Posts
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
Edit: Relieved to have found my problem. My most important and effective alarm was set to 3:48AM and not PM. I now know why I overslept and feel very good about continuing again. A user-error was made, that was all, my body can and will continue. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
On December 16 2013 21:49 Valestrum wrote: There isn't an issue, 99% of the world sleeps like that! I just find the prospect of being awake 22 hours much more appealing due to the extra productivity, especially since I now procrastinate less. As for falling asleep, it's just a matter of discipline; I should know better than to eat something 'heavy' and boredom isn't an issue what-so-ever for me. If I do fall asleep though, it will suck, but I will just re-adjust myself to fit the schedule assuming it's an odd occurence and not my body telling me I can't do the schedule. productivity... http://www.med.upenn.edu/uep/user_documents/dfd3.pdf sleep deprivation severely affects your brain. In some cases it affects performace just as much as being drunk. (like accidentally switching AM and PM :p) And make no mistake, when you have to fight to stay awake and need to keep yourself busy to not fall asleep, you are deprived of sleep. I actually make a point to always sleep at least 6, after sports often even 8 hours. I personally hat thate sting in your brain that you get when sleep deprived, u much rather have 4 hours less in a day and not deal with that. It keeps me from doing anything productive. | ||
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
productivity... http://www.med.upenn.edu/uep/user_documents/dfd3.pdf sleep deprivation severely affects your brain. In some cases it affects performace just as much as being drunk. (like accidentally switching AM and PM :p) And make no mistake, when you have to fight to stay awake and need to keep yourself busy to not fall asleep, you are deprived of sleep. I actually make a point to always sleep at least 6, after sports often even 8 hours. I personally hat thate sting in your brain that you get when sleep deprived, u much rather have 4 hours less in a day and not deal with that. It keeps me from doing anything productive. Well the goal is to not be sleep deprived after the initial re-adjustment. Then the body should be running as normal by going directly into REM sleep and letting you function as completely normal. There has been many people who have done this for months or even years running at 100% so I'm not too concerned. The goal is isn't to function off of sleep deprivation, it's to only need little sleep. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On December 17 2013 10:34 Valestrum wrote: Well the goal is to not be sleep deprived after the initial re-adjustment. Then the body should be running as normal by going directly into REM sleep and letting you function as completely normal. There has been many people who have done this for months or even years running at 100% so I'm not too concerned. The goal is isn't to function off of sleep deprivation, it's to only need little sleep. How are you replacing your NREM? | ||
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Valestrum
United States246 Posts
How are you replacing your NREM? ![[image loading]](http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/shia-labeouf-magic-gif.gif) | ||
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