On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
I'm speaking specifically of other people in the crowd, that didn't applaud the ending of the tournament. I was disappointed as hell when Maru got knocked out because he was the last of the players in the tournament that I was cheering for, but when Jaedong stepped out on that stage I stood up out of my chair and gave him an ovation with the rest of the crowd.
Because he played an awesome series and I appreciated that because as much as I love Maru, MVP and Polt I love watching good Starcraft more than that.
There was a much different reaction when Jaedong lost.
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
Just put some of the anger/frustration into the clapping...
There's two types of fans. There are fans who are passionate about the guy/personality who is playing the game and there are the fans who are watching because of the "beauty" of the game itself. Whatever the reason, neither is right or wrong. Being a fan for whatever reason is still a fan. Just don't expect all the people that are there to cheer on a particular person to stay around and give fake half assed cheers and smiles for the person that they were rooting against. That's just not in most people's human nature and is pretty unrealistic for any competitive event such as this. Because if you want people to treat sc2 more seriously as an esport and have more mainstream attention, for better or worse, this is the kind of stuff that comes along with it.
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
I'm speaking specifically of other people in the crowd, that didn't applaud the ending of the tournament. I was disappointed as hell when Maru got knocked out because he was the last of the players in the tournament that I was cheering for, but when Jaedong stepped out on that stage I stood up out of my chair and gave him an ovation with the rest of the crowd.
Because he played an awesome series and I appreciated that because as much as I love Maru, MVP and Polt I love watching good Starcraft more than that.
There was a much different reaction when Jaedong lost.
And I'm justifying that reaction. People should be allowed to be emotional and VIVIDLY respond with that emotion, if that emotion is happiness, indifference, or even negativity. If the entirety of the crowd is upset that Jaedong lost and completely indifferent to sOs's victory, then that is an issue of the whole crowd being biased. Theres two players they can root for and the vast majority rooted for only one.
And again, not everyone loves watching Starcraft II for the game as much as they enjoy watching their favorite players/teams they have an emotional attachment to succeed.
I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
To think of an analogy... It's like you go to the grocery store looking for something. You can't find it and ask an employee there if they can help you. They say "Sorry sir, we just sold out and won't have any more until tomorrow" then you storm out without saying "Okay, thanks anyway."
or
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
On November 11 2013 05:46 Grobyc wrote: I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
Why is it common courtesy to applaud the victor if you don't give a shit about who they are and the fact that they just beat your favorite player/team? Sure I think booing and cursing at them is BM as hell but I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with not applauding and/or walking out after the game is done (and also in this case clicking on the X button on the stream after sOs won)
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Sure because comparing an event such as a war with people killing and being killed and honoring said people is in any way comparable to an event such as this
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
Do you have any experience in any live sporting events? Whether this makes people look like dickbags is entirely your opinion. For better or worse, this is par for the course and expecting anything different is fantasy.
looks like op hasnt attented many sporting events. The favorite lost. Ppl dont want to be caught in traffic.
Good for you if you stayed and cheered. For a lot of people the results of the finals were disapointing. You cannot force the fans to stay and cheer for a guy they dont like.
I think your standard is applying to a night at the opera, not to a night at blizzcon... People will always need to manner the fuck up. But op needs to come the fuck down as well...
On November 11 2013 05:46 Grobyc wrote: I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
Why is it common courtesy to applaud the victor if you don't give a shit about who they are and the fact that they just beat your favorite player/team? Sure I think booing and cursing at them is BM as hell but I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with not applauding and/or walking out after the game is done (and also in this case clicking on the X button on the stream after sOs won)
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Sure because comparing an event such as a war with people killing and being killed and honoring said people is in any way comparable to an event such as this
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
Do you have any experience in any live sporting events? Whether this makes people look like dickbags is entirely your opinion. For better or worse, this is par for the course and expecting anything different is fantasy.
I typed up a fancy response to this but I don't really think it's necessary. In short: Is your ego really that big to the point where you can't acknowledge your opponents victory and applaud them for a brief moment? No one is asking you to wear an "sOs #1!" shirt out of the building or anything. It's common courtesy and the standard in our culture (at least where I live) to show such respect and I'm confident a simple poll would show the majority of people agree. People just need to forget about their ego for literally a minute.
I wouldn't say I'm as nearly as upset over it as the OP, just saying that yeah, I do agree with his point.
edit: With respect to one of the above posts, yeah if you're literally in a massive hurry and can't afford the time to stay 2 minutes and absolutely have to beat traffic, that's fine. It's just the people who can't get over their ego that I'm referencing.
On November 11 2013 05:46 Grobyc wrote: I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
Why is it common courtesy to applaud the victor if you don't give a shit about who they are and the fact that they just beat your favorite player/team? Sure I think booing and cursing at them is BM as hell but I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with not applauding and/or walking out after the game is done (and also in this case clicking on the X button on the stream after sOs won)
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Sure because comparing an event such as a war with people killing and being killed and honoring said people is in any way comparable to an event such as this
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
Do you have any experience in any live sporting events? Whether this makes people look like dickbags is entirely your opinion. For better or worse, this is par for the course and expecting anything different is fantasy.
I typed up a fancy response to this but I don't really think it's necessary. In short: Is your ego really that big to the point where you can't acknowledge your opponents victory and applaud them for a brief moment? No one is asking you to wear an "sOs #1!" shirt out of the building or anything. It's common courtesy and the standard in our culture (at least where I live) to show such respect and I'm confident a simple poll would show the majority of people agree. People just need to forget about their ego for literally a minute.
edit: With respect to one of the above posts, yeah if you're literally in a massive hurry and can't afford the time to stay 2 minutes and absolutely have to beat traffic, that's fine. It's just the people who can't get over their ego that I'm referencing.
What does this have anything to do with ego? Some guy that I don't care about won. I'm not booing him or anything. I am simply just leaving because I Simply don't care. End of story. Nothing more or less involved in it.
You spent two days at an event waiting for this final moment and you can't take 20 seconds to applaud the victor when it's not the person you wanted? Just to congratulate him and recognize his efforts? How doesn't it have to do with your ego? Are you too lazy or something? If you simply don't care that just sounds like an unnecessary negative attitude that reflects on to everyone else. He provided you with solid entertainment the past 2 days and you can't thank him for that in the form of an applause? I can't believe that's too much to ask.
For the record I wasn't actually there but I was watching on stream. Also, sOs didn't provide me with solid entertainment for the past 2 days. I only watched Jaedong's matches and Soulkey's because I am a JD fan and also a Zerg player that doesn't really have interest in any matchups that don't involve Zerg. If both JD and Soulkey had been eliminated in the first round I wouldn't have watched the rest of the tournament. So in a sense it was Jaedong that provided me with entertainment for the last 2 days (and to a lesser extent Soulkey).
Again I ask, why would I applaud the victor when its not someone I wanted? I don't do that when I watch tennis or basketball, so I certainly don't do that here in starcraft. You can't make other people care about stuff that they have no emotional attachment to. And not everyone comes from the same culture or background as you do (I am American btw are America and Canada this different?). People shouldn't be rude and BM when they're guy loses, but they have no obligation (cultural, personal, or whatever you want to call it) to stick around and be nice and congratulate the other guy either.
EDIT: Now if I were the actual competitor then I personally believe that you should go and shake the other guys/teams hands after they beat you (or in the case of Starcraft say GG when you lose before leaving the game) but that's just me and I wouldn't be pissed if the other guy didn't return the favor if/when I beat him.
On November 11 2013 08:35 Fliparoni wrote: For the record I wasn't actually there but I was watching on stream. Also, sOs didn't provide me with solid entertainment for the past 2 days. I only watched Jaedong's matches and Soulkey's because I am a JD fan and also a Zerg player that doesn't really have interest in any matchups that don't involve Zerg. If both JD and Soulkey had been eliminated in the first round I wouldn't have watched the rest of the tournament. So in a sense it was Jaedong that provided me with entertainment for the last 2 days (and to a lesser extent Soulkey).
Again I ask, why would I applaud the victor when its not someone I wanted? I don't do that when I watch tennis or basketball, so I certainly don't do that here in starcraft. You can't make other people care about stuff that they have no emotional attachment to. And not everyone comes from the same culture or background as you do (I am American btw are America and Canada this different?). People shouldn't be rude and BM when they're guy loses, but they have no obligation (cultural, personal, or whatever you want to call it) to stick around and be nice and congratulate the other guy either.
EDIT: Now if I were the actual competitor then I personally believe that you should go and shake the other guys/teams hands after they beat you (or in the case of Starcraft say GG when you lose before leaving the game) but that's just me and I wouldn't be pissed if the other guy didn't return the favor if/when I beat him.
This discussion is assuming you're in the place of someone who was actually there for the 2 days, and in that case sOs would have been providing you with entertainment, plain and square, as you would have been watching multiple of his games. And since he provided you a service, common courtesy is to give thanks (in the form of an applause in this case). Only doing so for one player (Jaedong) is like listening to a band play then clapping and the end and saying "I'm only clapping for that trumpet player though." All players at the event provided a service for the viewers and as such all of them should be recognized for it, whether you were there to enjoy that player or not.
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
On November 11 2013 08:35 Fliparoni wrote: For the record I wasn't actually there but I was watching on stream. Also, sOs didn't provide me with solid entertainment for the past 2 days. I only watched Jaedong's matches and Soulkey's because I am a JD fan and also a Zerg player that doesn't really have interest in any matchups that don't involve Zerg. If both JD and Soulkey had been eliminated in the first round I wouldn't have watched the rest of the tournament. So in a sense it was Jaedong that provided me with entertainment for the last 2 days (and to a lesser extent Soulkey).
Again I ask, why would I applaud the victor when its not someone I wanted? I don't do that when I watch tennis or basketball, so I certainly don't do that here in starcraft. You can't make other people care about stuff that they have no emotional attachment to. And not everyone comes from the same culture or background as you do (I am American btw are America and Canada this different?). People shouldn't be rude and BM when they're guy loses, but they have no obligation (cultural, personal, or whatever you want to call it) to stick around and be nice and congratulate the other guy either.
EDIT: Now if I were the actual competitor then I personally believe that you should go and shake the other guys/teams hands after they beat you (or in the case of Starcraft say GG when you lose before leaving the game) but that's just me and I wouldn't be pissed if the other guy didn't return the favor if/when I beat him.
This discussion is assuming you're in the place of someone who was actually there for the 2 days, and in that case sOs would have been providing you with entertainment, plain and square, as you would have been watching multiple of his games. And since he provided you a service, common courtesy is to give thanks (in the form of an applause in this case). Only doing so for one player (Jaedong) is like listening to a band play then clapping and the end and saying "I'm only clapping for that trumpet player though." All players at the event provided a service for the viewers and as such all of them should be recognized for it, whether you were there to enjoy that player or not.
No I would compare this more to going to a big music concert or festival that has multiple bands playing. I'm only a fan of one of those bands that are there so I'm gonna stay and applaud for the band hat I like and when the next band comes up that I don't really listen to, I'm just going to leave.
On November 11 2013 09:05 DinosaurJones wrote: So basically, the reaction is:
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
Classy.
Who said sporting events are classy? If you want class attend the opera
Also if I was there at the actual event the same would still apply. I would be there to watch all the matches involving jaedong and soulkey because they are zergs and when non zergs are playing I would be off watching other parts of blizzcon
On November 11 2013 09:32 DinosaurJones wrote: Its not about class, its about respect, but I can see that you don't care, and you don't want to change your mind, so I won't bother.
It just seems very self centered to me is a, but I guess that is just a common thing nowadays.
Ya and you know another common thing nowadays? Entitlement. They don't call this the entitlement generation for nothing I suppose. sOs isn't entitled to respect automatically just because he played some games but that's just me I guess
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