Just got home from Blizzcon, I am exhausted, my feet hurt and some jerk nearly crashed into me on the 5 on the way home because he almost merged on to me.
But I have to get something off my chest.
If you were in the crowd at Blizzcon and you didn't applaud for sOs when he won his trophy then Fuck You. Manner the fuck up! This guy is in a foreign country, he's worked his ass off to get as far as he has and he outplayed 3 of the best players in the tournament to get as far as he had (with a total map score of 13-4 btw) and you owe it to him to show him some respect.
I don't care if he just knocked out Jaedong. I don't care that Jaedong is perhaps one of the most legendary Starcraft players of all time, the way the crowd at Blizzcon treated sOs is downright unacceptable. For those of you watching on stream the cameras did a good job of not showing it but people were filing out of their seats in droves while sOs was still making his way down the stage towards his trophy. These assholes didn't even have the courtesy of giving him an applause for winning the Global Finals of the WCS, yet they would hold up signs and chant Jaedong's name for something as simple as catching a scouting probe.
Fucking pathetic display of sportsmanship all around. I hope sOs was too caught up in his victory to notice how sour the crowd was towards him because i definitely noticed it.
Rant over. Epic fucking weekend but that was a sore spot that needed to be addressed before I could crash out peacefully.
I actually really agree. I was really ambivalent as to who was winning the finals but sOs really grew on me, and when the finals started I was cheering for him. But when he won and came out, I only heard a few voices cheer very hard for sOs, and everyone else just looked bummed out Jaedong lost. Respect the fact that he beat Jaedong in some entertaining games. good stuff
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote: this is normal. in other sports when the home teams lose there can be riots @_@
doesn't make it acceptable, and you can't really compare esports to traditional sports.
Why not? I see nothing wrong with not cheering for SoS if you are a die hard Jaedong fan, just as I see nothing wrong with not cheering for the Miami Heat when they beat the Spurs if you area diehard Spurs fan.
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote: this is normal. in other sports when the home teams lose there can be riots @_@
doesn't make it acceptable, and you can't really compare esports to traditional sports.
It really sucked for sOs, but it's acceptable. You can't force people to applaud for someone they don't want to celebrate victory for. In almost any case, people who are that emotionally invested will generally leave when their team/favorite is out. It's just really unfortunate how the games panned out and the fact that the stadiums were packed with so many jaedong fans. Casters didn't really help either, hyping the shit out of jaedong from start to finish.
I seriously have to agree with this, from the stream though it didnt seem to bad. But from what people had to say thats just downright terrible. Even if people don't like sOs or his style or whatever, it's just so much better as a whole community if we congratulated him. He did amazing despite what people want to think.
On November 10 2013 18:19 DropTester wrote: I seriously have to agree with this, from the stream though it didnt seem to bad. But from what people had to say thats just downright terrible. Even if people don't like sOs or his style or whatever, it's just so much better as a whole community if we congratulated him. He did amazing despite what people want to think.
It's not an issue of people thinking what he did wasn't amazing. It's that the ultra-hyped fan favorite got wrecked in a very one-sided, soul-draining way. If the games were closer I don't think people would have been so despondent. I'm genuinely surprised this doesn't happen more often, sc2 crowds have generally been very indifferent to fan favorites when it comes to finals.
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote: this is normal. in other sports when the home teams lose there can be riots @_@
doesn't make it acceptable, and you can't really compare esports to traditional sports.
Are you serious? of course you can compare traditional Sports to esports... People will behave the way they want and feel. If everyone doesn't like sos for winning over jaedong that is their right. They can boo/leave whatever it is disrespectful but this about competition and we want our guy to win no matter what. So when they get destroyed after you put all your heart and emotion into cheering rooting and praying that he can find that way to come back and win. Then loses you are heart broken and rationally you could think that he didn't play up to his potential. Though you just feel upset. Personally I wasn't there I wouldn't have cheered for sos but I probably wouldn't have left I would stay and watch but that is up to the people there.
The only differences between esport competition and Traditional sports is we play through a different medium.
I've left several events when the finals has played out. Even if my favourite team won. I am not there for the award ceremony. If you are, fine.
This is especially true for Dreamhack events in the Stockholm area, they suck at scheduling. Always ending when the last commuter train is just about to leave and you work the morning after. I've even had to leave those in the last game in order to be able to get home.
I was rooting for sOs, because the more Jaedong loses, the better chance of him retiring and coming back to BroodWar. Not trying to sound trolly or anything, I just really miss Jaedong.
Since the beginning of competitive gaming people have dreamt of it becoming like a real sport some day. I think somewhere down the road we are bound to see more and more stuff like this.
It's still douchy, but if you're passionately rooting for you favourite player ever ever and he loses, different people just react differently. I think silence is still "okay", while something like booing would obviously be very shitty.
On November 10 2013 20:00 ninazerg wrote: I was rooting for sOs, because the more Jaedong loses, the better chance of him retiring and coming back to BroodWar. Not trying to sound trolly or anything, I just really miss Jaedong.
I also miss Jaedong, but because he is a human being, I want what's best for him. I think he wants to be a SC2 pro, and I want him to do what he wants in his life.
really it is as bad as you say? Oh my god! Well ive been laddering all day and my little girl is actually reading what im writing so i cant swear!!!!!! . . shes 6! This is just the way this community often seems sometimes and if it is the way you say . . . . terrible and they all should be ashamed if they didnt at least wait for him to leave the stage (unless they had a very #dicey bus to catch) but you a right, i watched every minute and the atmosphere even at the end looked amazing . . . you have ruined it for me!
why do I have to cheer for someone I don't like/care for/ have an interest in. I am sure those guys gave a clap or two, but they dont need to be there. They were (most likely) cheering for JD, and JD didn't win, so welp its time to go home! When your fav sports team doesn't win the world series, do you go "OH YEAH OTHER TEAM GOOD JOB, SO GOOD, WOW" No, you don't.
Alot of this community is about being "fake-nice" and thats why I hate it.
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote: this is normal. in other sports when the home teams lose there can be riots @_@
doesn't make it acceptable, and you can't really compare esports to traditional sports.
Are you serious? of course you can compare traditional Sports to esports... People will behave the way they want and feel. If everyone doesn't like sos for winning over jaedong that is their right. They can boo/leave whatever it is disrespectful but this about competition and we want our guy to win no matter what. So when they get destroyed after you put all your heart and emotion into cheering rooting and praying that he can find that way to come back and win. Then loses you are heart broken and rationally you could think that he didn't play up to his potential. Though you just feel upset. Personally I wasn't there I wouldn't have cheered for sos but I probably wouldn't have left I would stay and watch but that is up to the people there.
The only differences between esport competition and Traditional sports is we play through a different medium.
Even in regular sports, rioting when the home team loses is unacceptable behavior. There's absolutely no reason to behave like whiny children just because your favorite team lost. Disappointment is natural, but allowing it to seep into our interactions with other people is rude.
In this scenario it's even worse because there are no 'home teams'. It's the frikkin Global Finals, it's the Olympics of e-sports, not some NBA or NFL game. There is no 'home advantage' for any one player. These players all worked really fucking hard, and they all deserve some respect. It's not our right to be the worse men, it's our responsibility to be the better men.
On November 10 2013 16:54 Kingsky wrote: this is normal. in other sports when the home teams lose there can be riots @_@
doesn't make it acceptable, and you can't really compare esports to traditional sports.
Are you serious? of course you can compare traditional Sports to esports... People will behave the way they want and feel. If everyone doesn't like sos for winning over jaedong that is their right. They can boo/leave whatever it is disrespectful but this about competition and we want our guy to win no matter what. So when they get destroyed after you put all your heart and emotion into cheering rooting and praying that he can find that way to come back and win. Then loses you are heart broken and rationally you could think that he didn't play up to his potential. Though you just feel upset. Personally I wasn't there I wouldn't have cheered for sos but I probably wouldn't have left I would stay and watch but that is up to the people there.
The only differences between esport competition and Traditional sports is we play through a different medium.
Even in regular sports, rioting when the home team loses is unacceptable behavior. There's absolutely no reason to behave like whiny children just because your favorite team lost. Disappointment is natural, but allowing it to seep into our interactions with other people is rude.
In this scenario it's even worse because there are no 'home teams'. It's the frikkin Global Finals, it's the Olympics of e-sports, not some NBA or NFL game. There is no 'home advantage' for any one player. These players all worked really fucking hard, and they all deserve some respect. It's not our right to be the worse men, it's our responsibility to be the better men.
Youre wrong. When they step into the booth there is a Team JD and a Team sOs
Edit: Just an addition to my last 2 posts, if youre going to hark on the people who left early at the venue. Dont forget the tens of thousands that clicked [X] on the stream after s0s won.
On November 10 2013 20:00 ninazerg wrote: I was rooting for sOs, because the more Jaedong loses, the better chance of him retiring and coming back to BroodWar. Not trying to sound trolly or anything, I just really miss Jaedong.
Lol. 5 2nd place finishes this year isn't losing a lot. It's actually winning a whole damn lot and means he's doing something right. He just needs to find that extra little something inside him to give him that push over the edge so he can have that one extra victory to win a damn tourney. Unlike bisu and other ex BW pros who went back because they weren't really doing well, jaedong is making a whole lot more money in sc2 than streaming BW because he actually is doing really well.
I agree with this. I was bummed that the Dong took yet another second, but damn, I felt WORSE for sOs who just won the damn Global Finals and no one seemed to give a shit.
On November 11 2013 02:59 DinosaurJones wrote: I agree with this. I was bummed that the Dong took yet another second, but damn, I felt WORSE for sOs who just won the damn Global Finals and no one seemed to give a shit.
Personality > skill always in esports.
Hes just another good player that we do not have a connection with. No stream no nothing. Grats you won, wait who are you again? Yes weve all HEARD of sOs, but what do you know about him, personally?
On November 11 2013 02:59 DinosaurJones wrote: I agree with this. I was bummed that the Dong took yet another second, but damn, I felt WORSE for sOs who just won the damn Global Finals and no one seemed to give a shit.
Personality > skill always in esports.
Hes just another good player that we do not have a connection with. No stream no nothing. Grats you won, wait who are you again? Yes weve all HEARD of sOs, but what do you know about him, personally?
Atleast JD tries.
I would argue that applies to all sports and not just esports
I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
... i think the OP meant that, at least acknowledge the fact that the guy won . . hes won the global finals, pay him his dues, you dont have to go full on bat shit crazy if u were rooting for JD, why cant everyone let sc2 be the winner?
On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote: I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year.
I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important.
To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive.
On November 11 2013 03:41 StatixEx wrote: ... i think the OP meant that, at least acknowledge the fact that the guy won . . hes won the global finals, pay him his dues, you dont have to go full on bat shit crazy if u were rooting for JD, why cant everyone let sc2 be the winner?
The easiest way to get into a game or sport is to find a team/player you like and invest your emotion into their success. Not everyone watches or can watch for the beauty of the game, and it's entirely both unrealistic and unwarranted to expect people to do so. If they want to be rude and vent their frustration by openly protesting applause/leaving early, that is their prerogative. Hopefully sOs picked up more fans this time around and the next crowd he plays in front of won't be so biased.
I remember after the semi-final when he said his goal was to hear the crowd chant his name... I was so scared that the crowd would fail him. When he jumped out of his booth with joy and you could hear the chants of sOs on stream I almost teared up a little... Sad to hear there were some there not applauding his win
On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote: I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year.
I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important.
To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive.
edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence
I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs.
You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave.
I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them.
Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason.
You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote: I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year.
I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important.
To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive.
edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence
I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs.
You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave.
I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them.
Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason.
You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
There's a difference between events held at one team's "home" or tournaments such as march madness (NCAA basketball), tennis or golf. You don't "pick sides" in a 16 player tournament or half the people (bomber/maru fans) should have already left by your standards.
On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote: I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year.
I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important.
To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive.
edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence
I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs.
You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave.
I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them.
Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason.
You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
There's a difference between events held at one team's "home" or tournaments such as march madness (NCAA basketball), tennis or golf. You don't "pick sides" in a 16 player tournament or half the people (bomber/maru fans) should have already left by your standards.
Says who? I have friends who cheer for other teams. Fuck, I have friends who were completely pissed off when some random guy from Brazil failed to get a medal at the Olympics.
So yes you can totally pick sides in 16 people tournaments.
This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: Then you're the kind of person no one wants to play with. You kill the spirit of the competition by getting overly butt hurt about losing. You're a poor sport and a jerk and you need to internalize that that is what you are.
Strangely that's completely wrong Maybe I'm not suitable for your family scrabble games.
Vindicare605 banned me from his blog so I'll answer to him here. I specifically said I don't condone riots. I would never boo a player. Not surprised to see that you'd be the kind of person to censor others.
On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote: I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year.
I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important.
To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive.
edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence
I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs.
You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave.
I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them.
Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason.
You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
I just realized that you're indirectly defending the Canucks riots after the Kings beat them a couple years back.
I think you've contributed enough to this topic if this is the kind of stance on the subject you're going to take.
On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote: I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year.
I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important.
To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive.
edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence
I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs.
You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave.
I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them.
Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason.
You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
There's a difference between events held at one team's "home" or tournaments such as march madness (NCAA basketball), tennis or golf. You don't "pick sides" in a 16 player tournament or half the people (bomber/maru fans) should have already left by your standards.
Says who? I have friends who cheer for other teams. Fuck, I have friends who were completely pissed off when some random guy from Brazil failed to get a medal at the Olympics.
So yes you can totally pick sides in 16 people tournaments.
I'm not saying you can't have a favorite (in each match). But you should always respect the people putting in the effort and cheer at the end. Again, fan response in a tournament setting should not be compared to other single game sporting events.
Yes, there will be douches who are pissed and maybe even boo when someone they don't like wins. That doesn't mean clapping isn't the the appropriate response.
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
Just put some of the anger/frustration into the clapping...
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
I'm speaking specifically of other people in the crowd, that didn't applaud the ending of the tournament. I was disappointed as hell when Maru got knocked out because he was the last of the players in the tournament that I was cheering for, but when Jaedong stepped out on that stage I stood up out of my chair and gave him an ovation with the rest of the crowd.
Because he played an awesome series and I appreciated that because as much as I love Maru, MVP and Polt I love watching good Starcraft more than that.
There was a much different reaction when Jaedong lost.
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
Just put some of the anger/frustration into the clapping...
There's two types of fans. There are fans who are passionate about the guy/personality who is playing the game and there are the fans who are watching because of the "beauty" of the game itself. Whatever the reason, neither is right or wrong. Being a fan for whatever reason is still a fan. Just don't expect all the people that are there to cheer on a particular person to stay around and give fake half assed cheers and smiles for the person that they were rooting against. That's just not in most people's human nature and is pretty unrealistic for any competitive event such as this. Because if you want people to treat sc2 more seriously as an esport and have more mainstream attention, for better or worse, this is the kind of stuff that comes along with it.
On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote: This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
I'm speaking specifically of other people in the crowd, that didn't applaud the ending of the tournament. I was disappointed as hell when Maru got knocked out because he was the last of the players in the tournament that I was cheering for, but when Jaedong stepped out on that stage I stood up out of my chair and gave him an ovation with the rest of the crowd.
Because he played an awesome series and I appreciated that because as much as I love Maru, MVP and Polt I love watching good Starcraft more than that.
There was a much different reaction when Jaedong lost.
And I'm justifying that reaction. People should be allowed to be emotional and VIVIDLY respond with that emotion, if that emotion is happiness, indifference, or even negativity. If the entirety of the crowd is upset that Jaedong lost and completely indifferent to sOs's victory, then that is an issue of the whole crowd being biased. Theres two players they can root for and the vast majority rooted for only one.
And again, not everyone loves watching Starcraft II for the game as much as they enjoy watching their favorite players/teams they have an emotional attachment to succeed.
I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
To think of an analogy... It's like you go to the grocery store looking for something. You can't find it and ask an employee there if they can help you. They say "Sorry sir, we just sold out and won't have any more until tomorrow" then you storm out without saying "Okay, thanks anyway."
or
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
On November 11 2013 05:46 Grobyc wrote: I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
Why is it common courtesy to applaud the victor if you don't give a shit about who they are and the fact that they just beat your favorite player/team? Sure I think booing and cursing at them is BM as hell but I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with not applauding and/or walking out after the game is done (and also in this case clicking on the X button on the stream after sOs won)
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Sure because comparing an event such as a war with people killing and being killed and honoring said people is in any way comparable to an event such as this
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
Do you have any experience in any live sporting events? Whether this makes people look like dickbags is entirely your opinion. For better or worse, this is par for the course and expecting anything different is fantasy.
looks like op hasnt attented many sporting events. The favorite lost. Ppl dont want to be caught in traffic.
Good for you if you stayed and cheered. For a lot of people the results of the finals were disapointing. You cannot force the fans to stay and cheer for a guy they dont like.
I think your standard is applying to a night at the opera, not to a night at blizzcon... People will always need to manner the fuck up. But op needs to come the fuck down as well...
On November 11 2013 05:46 Grobyc wrote: I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
Why is it common courtesy to applaud the victor if you don't give a shit about who they are and the fact that they just beat your favorite player/team? Sure I think booing and cursing at them is BM as hell but I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with not applauding and/or walking out after the game is done (and also in this case clicking on the X button on the stream after sOs won)
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Sure because comparing an event such as a war with people killing and being killed and honoring said people is in any way comparable to an event such as this
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
Do you have any experience in any live sporting events? Whether this makes people look like dickbags is entirely your opinion. For better or worse, this is par for the course and expecting anything different is fantasy.
I typed up a fancy response to this but I don't really think it's necessary. In short: Is your ego really that big to the point where you can't acknowledge your opponents victory and applaud them for a brief moment? No one is asking you to wear an "sOs #1!" shirt out of the building or anything. It's common courtesy and the standard in our culture (at least where I live) to show such respect and I'm confident a simple poll would show the majority of people agree. People just need to forget about their ego for literally a minute.
I wouldn't say I'm as nearly as upset over it as the OP, just saying that yeah, I do agree with his point.
edit: With respect to one of the above posts, yeah if you're literally in a massive hurry and can't afford the time to stay 2 minutes and absolutely have to beat traffic, that's fine. It's just the people who can't get over their ego that I'm referencing.
On November 11 2013 05:46 Grobyc wrote: I'd have to agree that it seemed pretty disrespectful of a lot of people there. You don't have to cheer for sOs at all, but when he has actually won and you are supposed to clap and applaud the victor it's quite disrespectful. Common courtesy, regardless of whether or not you are cheering for him. Shows that he deserved the victory, which he did, even if that's not what you wanted.
Why is it common courtesy to applaud the victor if you don't give a shit about who they are and the fact that they just beat your favorite player/team? Sure I think booing and cursing at them is BM as hell but I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with not applauding and/or walking out after the game is done (and also in this case clicking on the X button on the stream after sOs won)
It's remembrance day and you never knew anyone in the war so it doesn't mean anything to you so you don't give a moment of silence or whatever.
Sure because comparing an event such as a war with people killing and being killed and honoring said people is in any way comparable to an event such as this
Shouldn't matter what you think, it's part of the culture and common courtesy. I can't say you're wrong if you think you should be able to display whatever emotions you want when such a thing happens, but you objectively look like a dickbag looking in from the outside.
Do you have any experience in any live sporting events? Whether this makes people look like dickbags is entirely your opinion. For better or worse, this is par for the course and expecting anything different is fantasy.
I typed up a fancy response to this but I don't really think it's necessary. In short: Is your ego really that big to the point where you can't acknowledge your opponents victory and applaud them for a brief moment? No one is asking you to wear an "sOs #1!" shirt out of the building or anything. It's common courtesy and the standard in our culture (at least where I live) to show such respect and I'm confident a simple poll would show the majority of people agree. People just need to forget about their ego for literally a minute.
edit: With respect to one of the above posts, yeah if you're literally in a massive hurry and can't afford the time to stay 2 minutes and absolutely have to beat traffic, that's fine. It's just the people who can't get over their ego that I'm referencing.
What does this have anything to do with ego? Some guy that I don't care about won. I'm not booing him or anything. I am simply just leaving because I Simply don't care. End of story. Nothing more or less involved in it.
You spent two days at an event waiting for this final moment and you can't take 20 seconds to applaud the victor when it's not the person you wanted? Just to congratulate him and recognize his efforts? How doesn't it have to do with your ego? Are you too lazy or something? If you simply don't care that just sounds like an unnecessary negative attitude that reflects on to everyone else. He provided you with solid entertainment the past 2 days and you can't thank him for that in the form of an applause? I can't believe that's too much to ask.
For the record I wasn't actually there but I was watching on stream. Also, sOs didn't provide me with solid entertainment for the past 2 days. I only watched Jaedong's matches and Soulkey's because I am a JD fan and also a Zerg player that doesn't really have interest in any matchups that don't involve Zerg. If both JD and Soulkey had been eliminated in the first round I wouldn't have watched the rest of the tournament. So in a sense it was Jaedong that provided me with entertainment for the last 2 days (and to a lesser extent Soulkey).
Again I ask, why would I applaud the victor when its not someone I wanted? I don't do that when I watch tennis or basketball, so I certainly don't do that here in starcraft. You can't make other people care about stuff that they have no emotional attachment to. And not everyone comes from the same culture or background as you do (I am American btw are America and Canada this different?). People shouldn't be rude and BM when they're guy loses, but they have no obligation (cultural, personal, or whatever you want to call it) to stick around and be nice and congratulate the other guy either.
EDIT: Now if I were the actual competitor then I personally believe that you should go and shake the other guys/teams hands after they beat you (or in the case of Starcraft say GG when you lose before leaving the game) but that's just me and I wouldn't be pissed if the other guy didn't return the favor if/when I beat him.
On November 11 2013 08:35 Fliparoni wrote: For the record I wasn't actually there but I was watching on stream. Also, sOs didn't provide me with solid entertainment for the past 2 days. I only watched Jaedong's matches and Soulkey's because I am a JD fan and also a Zerg player that doesn't really have interest in any matchups that don't involve Zerg. If both JD and Soulkey had been eliminated in the first round I wouldn't have watched the rest of the tournament. So in a sense it was Jaedong that provided me with entertainment for the last 2 days (and to a lesser extent Soulkey).
Again I ask, why would I applaud the victor when its not someone I wanted? I don't do that when I watch tennis or basketball, so I certainly don't do that here in starcraft. You can't make other people care about stuff that they have no emotional attachment to. And not everyone comes from the same culture or background as you do (I am American btw are America and Canada this different?). People shouldn't be rude and BM when they're guy loses, but they have no obligation (cultural, personal, or whatever you want to call it) to stick around and be nice and congratulate the other guy either.
EDIT: Now if I were the actual competitor then I personally believe that you should go and shake the other guys/teams hands after they beat you (or in the case of Starcraft say GG when you lose before leaving the game) but that's just me and I wouldn't be pissed if the other guy didn't return the favor if/when I beat him.
This discussion is assuming you're in the place of someone who was actually there for the 2 days, and in that case sOs would have been providing you with entertainment, plain and square, as you would have been watching multiple of his games. And since he provided you a service, common courtesy is to give thanks (in the form of an applause in this case). Only doing so for one player (Jaedong) is like listening to a band play then clapping and the end and saying "I'm only clapping for that trumpet player though." All players at the event provided a service for the viewers and as such all of them should be recognized for it, whether you were there to enjoy that player or not.
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
On November 11 2013 08:35 Fliparoni wrote: For the record I wasn't actually there but I was watching on stream. Also, sOs didn't provide me with solid entertainment for the past 2 days. I only watched Jaedong's matches and Soulkey's because I am a JD fan and also a Zerg player that doesn't really have interest in any matchups that don't involve Zerg. If both JD and Soulkey had been eliminated in the first round I wouldn't have watched the rest of the tournament. So in a sense it was Jaedong that provided me with entertainment for the last 2 days (and to a lesser extent Soulkey).
Again I ask, why would I applaud the victor when its not someone I wanted? I don't do that when I watch tennis or basketball, so I certainly don't do that here in starcraft. You can't make other people care about stuff that they have no emotional attachment to. And not everyone comes from the same culture or background as you do (I am American btw are America and Canada this different?). People shouldn't be rude and BM when they're guy loses, but they have no obligation (cultural, personal, or whatever you want to call it) to stick around and be nice and congratulate the other guy either.
EDIT: Now if I were the actual competitor then I personally believe that you should go and shake the other guys/teams hands after they beat you (or in the case of Starcraft say GG when you lose before leaving the game) but that's just me and I wouldn't be pissed if the other guy didn't return the favor if/when I beat him.
This discussion is assuming you're in the place of someone who was actually there for the 2 days, and in that case sOs would have been providing you with entertainment, plain and square, as you would have been watching multiple of his games. And since he provided you a service, common courtesy is to give thanks (in the form of an applause in this case). Only doing so for one player (Jaedong) is like listening to a band play then clapping and the end and saying "I'm only clapping for that trumpet player though." All players at the event provided a service for the viewers and as such all of them should be recognized for it, whether you were there to enjoy that player or not.
No I would compare this more to going to a big music concert or festival that has multiple bands playing. I'm only a fan of one of those bands that are there so I'm gonna stay and applaud for the band hat I like and when the next band comes up that I don't really listen to, I'm just going to leave.
On November 11 2013 09:05 DinosaurJones wrote: So basically, the reaction is:
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
Classy.
Who said sporting events are classy? If you want class attend the opera
Also if I was there at the actual event the same would still apply. I would be there to watch all the matches involving jaedong and soulkey because they are zergs and when non zergs are playing I would be off watching other parts of blizzcon
On November 11 2013 09:32 DinosaurJones wrote: Its not about class, its about respect, but I can see that you don't care, and you don't want to change your mind, so I won't bother.
It just seems very self centered to me is a, but I guess that is just a common thing nowadays.
Ya and you know another common thing nowadays? Entitlement. They don't call this the entitlement generation for nothing I suppose. sOs isn't entitled to respect automatically just because he played some games but that's just me I guess
On November 11 2013 09:32 DinosaurJones wrote: Its not about class, its about respect, but I can see that you don't care, and you don't want to change your mind, so I won't bother.
It just seems very self centered to me is a, but I guess that is just a common thing nowadays.
Ya and you know another common thing nowadays? Entitlement. They don't call this the entitlement generation for nothing I suppose. sOs isn't entitled to respect automatically just because he played some games but that's just me I guess
The title of this blog entry couldn't be more appropriate for a person like you.
I am saddened that there was such a strong reaction to sOs winning. I suppose I should be thankful that there were no boos. That would have been terrible. Maybe we should just be thankful that the mannerless tards chose to walk out quietly.
To an extent, I do blame the casters for this though. Their support for JD was well over the top. There was good opportunity to give some "story" to sOs in the build-up to the final by mentioning the ravaging of their team and his strong performance in team leagues and KR over the course of the year. All of that was shelved for the hype of a BW giant slaying his Kong curse.
As mentioned in other places, there is opportunity for our casters and presenters to sharpen up.
On November 11 2013 09:05 DinosaurJones wrote: So basically, the reaction is:
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
Classy.
Since when was applause the sole proof that a spectator recognizes another player's skill and hard work? Theres two different points going through this discussion and they're both over your head. It's not an issue of people thinking some other guy didn't work hard or didn't deserve his win. It's because he worked hard, AND THEN BEAT their favorite player that they don't want to applause. It's the consequence of investing all of your emotions into one player/team for two straight days. Stop inserting your own interpretation of what people are thinking within the moments they don't applause.
On November 11 2013 09:05 DinosaurJones wrote: So basically, the reaction is:
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
Classy.
Since when was applause the sole proof that a spectator recognizes another player's skill and hard work? Theres two different points going through this discussion and they're both over your head. It's not an issue of people thinking some other guy didn't work hard or didn't deserve his win. It's because he worked hard, AND THEN BEAT their favorite player that they don't want to applause. It's the consequence of investing all of your emotions into one player/team for two straight days. Stop inserting your own interpretation of what people are thinking within the moments they don't applause.
No.
They didn't clap enough for sOs, we need a do-over so the fans can clap for him properly and get it right this time.
On November 11 2013 09:05 DinosaurJones wrote: So basically, the reaction is:
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
Classy.
Since when was applause the sole proof that a spectator recognizes another player's skill and hard work? Theres two different points going through this discussion and they're both over your head. It's not an issue of people thinking some other guy didn't work hard or didn't deserve his win. It's because he worked hard, AND THEN BEAT their favorite player that they don't want to applause. It's the consequence of investing all of your emotions into one player/team for two straight days. Stop inserting your own interpretation of what people are thinking within the moments they don't applause.
No.
They didn't clap enough for sOs, we need a do-over so the fans can clap for him properly and get it right this time.
On November 11 2013 09:05 DinosaurJones wrote: So basically, the reaction is:
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
Classy.
Since when was applause the sole proof that a spectator recognizes another player's skill and hard work? Theres two different points going through this discussion and they're both over your head. It's not an issue of people thinking some other guy didn't work hard or didn't deserve his win. It's because he worked hard, AND THEN BEAT their favorite player that they don't want to applause. It's the consequence of investing all of your emotions into one player/team for two straight days. Stop inserting your own interpretation of what people are thinking within the moments they don't applause.
No.
They didn't clap enough for sOs, we need a do-over so the fans can clap for him properly and get it right this time.
They weren't sOs fans.
I mean the Jaedong fans, and by the way, is "rd" short for "Rainbow Dash"?
I am still of the opinion that anything after the final game is unimportant fluff. Doesn't matter if my favourite won or not. I am there to be entertained and I don't find the prize ceremony entertaining. If I didn't find anything entertaining I wouldn't be there at all.
If they added the possibility of encores they would probably have more people staying. If you want people to stay, don't end with the award ceremony, have some fun mode or whatever after. Then people would schedule with that in mind.
On November 11 2013 09:05 DinosaurJones wrote: So basically, the reaction is:
Hey bro, your worked really hard, and this really means a lot to you, but it doesnt mean shit to me, so I am just going to to get pissed off about it and not give you any semblance of victory because your hard work doesnt mean shit when I was rooting for the other guy?
Classy.
Since when was applause the sole proof that a spectator recognizes another player's skill and hard work? Theres two different points going through this discussion and they're both over your head. It's not an issue of people thinking some other guy didn't work hard or didn't deserve his win. It's because he worked hard, AND THEN BEAT their favorite player that they don't want to applause. It's the consequence of investing all of your emotions into one player/team for two straight days. Stop inserting your own interpretation of what people are thinking within the moments they don't applause.
No.
They didn't clap enough for sOs, we need a do-over so the fans can clap for him properly and get it right this time.
They weren't sOs fans.
I mean the Jaedong fans, and by the way, is "rd" short for "Rainbow Dash"?
On November 11 2013 16:09 Yurie wrote: I am still of the opinion that anything after the final game is unimportant fluff. Doesn't matter if my favourite won or not. I am there to be entertained and I don't find the prize ceremony entertaining. If I didn't find anything entertaining I wouldn't be there at all.
If they added the possibility of encores they would probably have more people staying. If you want people to stay, don't end with the award ceremony, have some fun mode or whatever after. Then people would schedule with that in mind.
I was just mad that sOs was kissing Jaedong's trophy like he won or something.
EPT
. That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
