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On November 10 2013 20:00 ninazerg wrote:
I was rooting for sOs, because the more Jaedong loses, the better chance of him retiring and coming back to BroodWar. Not trying to sound trolly or anything, I just really miss Jaedong.
Lol. 5 2nd place finishes this year isn't losing a lot. It's actually winning a whole damn lot and means he's doing something right. He just needs to find that extra little something inside him to give him that push over the edge so he can have that one extra victory to win a damn tourney. Unlike bisu and other ex BW pros who went back because they weren't really doing well, jaedong is making a whole lot more money in sc2 than streaming BW because he actually is doing really well.
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he plays protoss, why would i ever root for him
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I agree with this. I was bummed that the Dong took yet another second, but damn, I felt WORSE for sOs who just won the damn Global Finals and no one seemed to give a shit.
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On November 11 2013 02:59 DinosaurJones wrote:
I agree with this. I was bummed that the Dong took yet another second, but damn, I felt WORSE for sOs who just won the damn Global Finals and no one seemed to give a shit.
Personality > skill always in esports.
Hes just another good player that we do not have a connection with.
No stream no nothing. Grats you won, wait who are you again?
Yes weve all HEARD of sOs, but what do you know about him, personally?
Atleast JD tries.
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On November 11 2013 03:04 Eggi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 02:59 DinosaurJones wrote:
I agree with this. I was bummed that the Dong took yet another second, but damn, I felt WORSE for sOs who just won the damn Global Finals and no one seemed to give a shit. Personality > skill always in esports. Hes just another good player that we do not have a connection with. No stream no nothing. Grats you won, wait who are you again? Yes weve all HEARD of sOs, but what do you know about him, personally? Atleast JD tries.
I would argue that applies to all sports and not just esports
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I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
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I can respect a player for the hard work and dedication to their craft, but if they beat someone I like, there's no way in hell I'm cheering for them.
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... i think the OP meant that, at least acknowledge the fact that the guy won . . hes won the global finals, pay him his dues, you dont have to go full on bat shit crazy if u were rooting for JD, why cant everyone let sc2 be the winner?
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On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote:
I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please.
No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year.
I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important.
To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive.
edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence 
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On November 11 2013 03:41 StatixEx wrote:
... i think the OP meant that, at least acknowledge the fact that the guy won . . hes won the global finals, pay him his dues, you dont have to go full on bat shit crazy if u were rooting for JD, why cant everyone let sc2 be the winner?
The easiest way to get into a game or sport is to find a team/player you like and invest your emotion into their success. Not everyone watches or can watch for the beauty of the game, and it's entirely both unrealistic and unwarranted to expect people to do so. If they want to be rude and vent their frustration by openly protesting applause/leaving early, that is their prerogative. Hopefully sOs picked up more fans this time around and the next crowd he plays in front of won't be so biased.
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I remember after the semi-final when he said his goal was to hear the crowd chant his name... I was so scared that the crowd would fail him. When he jumped out of his booth with joy and you could hear the chants of sOs on stream I almost teared up a little... Sad to hear there were some there not applauding his win 
Super jealous of you being there :D
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On November 11 2013 03:45 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote:
I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please. No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year. I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important. To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive. edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence
I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs.
You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave.
I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them.
Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason.
You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off  . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
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On November 11 2013 04:21 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 03:45 radscorpion9 wrote:On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote:
I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please. No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year. I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important. To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive. edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs. You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave. I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them. Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason. You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
There's a difference between events held at one team's "home" or tournaments such as march madness (NCAA basketball), tennis or golf. You don't "pick sides" in a 16 player tournament or half the people (bomber/maru fans) should have already left by your standards.
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On November 11 2013 04:26 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 04:21 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2013 03:45 radscorpion9 wrote:On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote:
I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please. No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year. I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important. To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive. edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs. You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave. I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them. Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason. You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure. There's a difference between events held at one team's "home" or tournaments such as march madness (NCAA basketball), tennis or golf. You don't "pick sides" in a 16 player tournament or half the people (bomber/maru fans) should have already left by your standards.
Says who? I have friends who cheer for other teams. Fuck, I have friends who were completely pissed off when some random guy from Brazil failed to get a medal at the Olympics.
So yes you can totally pick sides in 16 people tournaments.
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This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
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On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
Then you're the kind of person no one wants to play with. You kill the spirit of the competition by getting overly butt hurt about losing. You're a poor sport and a jerk and you need to internalize that that is what you are.
Strangely that's completely wrong
Maybe I'm not suitable for your family scrabble games.
Vindicare605 banned me from his blog so I'll answer to him here. I specifically said I don't condone riots.
I would never boo a player. Not surprised to see that you'd be the kind of person to censor others.
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On November 11 2013 04:21 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 03:45 radscorpion9 wrote:On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote:
I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please. No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year. I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important. To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive. edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs. You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave. I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them. Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason. You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure.
I just realized that you're indirectly defending the Canucks riots after the Kings beat them a couple years back.
I think you've contributed enough to this topic if this is the kind of stance on the subject you're going to take.
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On November 11 2013 04:28 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 04:26 DusTerr wrote:On November 11 2013 04:21 Djzapz wrote:On November 11 2013 03:45 radscorpion9 wrote:On November 11 2013 03:19 Djzapz wrote:
I don't cheer when the Bruins beat the Habs, why would I cheer then sOs beats Jaedong? And why would esports be different from sports in that respect? It's fine to pick sides and it's fine not to be excited when the other team/guy wins.
Should fanbases be rendered irrelevant by this rampant sentiment of the SC2 community that we need to do everything with heart and that we should actively force ourselves to be happy and enthusiastic about everything to help the "growth of esports"?
You manner the fuck up. I'll cheer with my whole heart when I god damn please. No but he's not asking you to cheer loudly for him or anything like that. All he's asking for is the basic courtesy of not leaving while the person is still making his way to the stage and giving him a round of applause. Its not really that hard or demanding of your time, its just respect for him as a player and to me its rude to walk away as someone is approaching the stage, or to sit in muted silence when this is his greatest achievement of the year. I totally agree with the OP on this. I understand how enamoured people are with Jaedong, but we should still be decent human beings to each other even when our favourites lose. I mean even if this does happen in every other sport, it doesn't matter because its still disrespectful. Just because other people do it doesn't mean we should too. I wasn't aware this was even an issue as the cameras didn't catch this at all, but I'm glad the OP brought it up because it is important. To some degree it is okay if a ton of other people are cheering for him, because your individual contribution doesn't matter that much. But if it gets out of control and half the people start leaving I think people really need to check themselves because it starts to become offensive. edit: TLDR what StatisEx said in one sentence I think this is ridiculous and people who defend this bullshit and think they understand what "sportsmanship" means are completely out of their minds stupid. I don't know if you've ever been to a sports event, I imagine not - people pick sides, there is animosity. It's part of the competitive aspect of things. There are people who live for hockey here, and when the other team wins, they're pissed. That's perfectly fine, that's what competition is. As it was mentioned before, sometimes, sport fans riot because their team lost. I don't condone it, but it shows passion a whole fucking lot more than a bunch of people half-smiling while sitting in plastic chairs. You know what happens in sports stadium when the game ends? People leave. I think that we'd truly be in trouble if people started cheering for faceless winners, caring equally regardless of what happened. People's lack of reaction to sOs's win shows me that people's can care, and they will if you make them. So make them. Two types of people are posting in this thread - those who want SC2 to be this children's game where everything is rainbows and sparkles, and those who understand that that's an unrealistic way to think of a competitive games where egos crash and people care about personalities and legacies and the player's history. When my guy loses, I'll get the fuck out of the stadium and I'll go tank beers. When my guy wins, I'll cheer from the bottom of my lungs and I'll go tank beers for an entirely different reason. You think that makes me the opposite of what you call a "decent human being"? Kindly fuck off . That's how I act when I'm passionate about a public figure. There's a difference between events held at one team's "home" or tournaments such as march madness (NCAA basketball), tennis or golf. You don't "pick sides" in a 16 player tournament or half the people (bomber/maru fans) should have already left by your standards. Says who? I have friends who cheer for other teams. Fuck, I have friends who were completely pissed off when some random guy from Brazil failed to get a medal at the Olympics. So yes you can totally pick sides in 16 people tournaments.
I'm not saying you can't have a favorite (in each match). But you should always respect the people putting in the effort and cheer at the end. Again, fan response in a tournament setting should not be compared to other single game sporting events.
Yes, there will be douches who are pissed and maybe even boo when someone they don't like wins. That doesn't mean clapping isn't the the appropriate response.
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On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad.
Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
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On November 11 2013 04:39 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 04:28 Vindicare605 wrote:
This attitude of "the guy I wanted didn't win so fuck this game" is just a bad attitude.
The better player won, acting like a douche about it just makes you that, a douche. Respect the player that won if you're in the crowd by applauding at least the end of the tournament if nothing else before getting up to go stew in private. Acting like a butt hurt nerd like most of the crowd was just makes the community look bad. Is everyone who just watched their favorite player lose mad? Can they not be sad and despondent too? Or do you just picture everyone with "no manners" to be the definition you're painting of an angry, spiteful "douche?"
Just put some of the anger/frustration into the clapping...
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