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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:26:09
August 23 2013 20:23 GMT
#1
I've always liked the idea of the TSL. Different countries, tournament circuits, etc. might have their champions, but TL also has its own Starcraft champion. And with TLS, there can be a TL Brood War champion as well. I don't really follow Dota 2, but I wouldn't be surprised if TL puts together some kind of Dota 2 league soon to crown the Team Liquid MOBA champions.

The trouble is, these Team Liquid tournaments are rare and massive. This makes sense for games like Starcraft, where a few tournaments done right is much better than a swarm of tournaments shoddily put together. That means getting sponsors and casters and Team Liquid cinematics to introduce every game. But what about other games that don't demand to be taken quite so seriously?

I want to know who the TL XCOM champion is. Or the TL Divekick champion. But if you tried to put together one of those massive tournaments, the inevitable answer is "But you can't possibly find sponsors! There won't be prize money! Who's going to cast it? Can you even find enough players to fill a 64-man bracket?"

Well, how about a group stage feeding into a 16 man bracket? With no prize money? Streamed when possible, with one of the other players who's not in this round commentating? Hell, it wouldn't even really have to be featured on TL, let alone sponsored by anyone. It might be that people wouldn't be interested in this kind of thing, but since I've never actually seen it attempted on TL, it's hard to know what community response would be.

So then, why hasn't it happened? The obvious question is who would organize it. There's a lot of logistical problems in organizing a tournament, and even if someone is willing to do the work, they still have to convince all the players to respect their authority. That's why tournaments are usually organized by some existing organization dedicated to the game, and then the tournament is advertised to players – no authority issues. For instance, what if two different people tried to organize TL XCOM tournaments? Which one is legitimate? Which should players play in? If both tournaments get off the ground and pronounce champions, who is the true TL champion?

So here's how I think it could happen: TL staff get involved to create official TL tournament threads for various games, and delegate to community members to organize the tournaments. Community members sign up for the tournaments, and TL staff are only involved in case of disputes. When a tournament completes, the champion is proclaimed in the official tournament thread, and either the thread is recycled for the next season, or a new thread (also proclaiming last season's champion) is created for the next season.

And what happens if there's not enough community interest? Well, when a game's tournament thread is created, people comment who are interested in playing. There's a deadline determined in the thread for when people have to sign up; and if not enough people sign up, the tournament doesn't happen. Then if people still want a tournament to happen, they have to find the thread for that game and comment they'd still like to play; if enough people sign up to fill a bracket after the deadline, the process is restarted. Otherwise, worst case scenario is nobody ever signs up and the TL champion seat for that game remains vacant – as it is currently.

Obviously I'm asking a lot of other people to put work in to reshape TL to my liking (although if my help were required to make a tournament happen, I'd happily help out); but I think a lot of people would like this website feature. The obvious comparison is TL Mafia – it uses TL resources and takes a lot of logistical work to do it, but it's a feature a lot of people appreciate, and it probably increases TL traffic which (I'm just guessing) probably helps out the website, too.

So, what do you say? Would you be interested in official TL tournaments for a wider range of games? Would you be willing to help out with organizing them? And if so, what games do you think should be played?

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 23 2013 20:24 GMT
#2
I am the champion. That is all.
Useless wet fish.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3220 Posts
August 23 2013 20:25 GMT
#3
All hail the champ
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
August 23 2013 20:37 GMT
#4
Hm, well, since TL is a global community, I guess in most cases the TL Champion's name would be + Show Spoiler +
lag.
.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3220 Posts
August 23 2013 20:48 GMT
#5
On August 24 2013 05:37 wingpawn wrote:
Hm, well, since TL is a global community, I guess in most cases the TL Champion's name would be + Show Spoiler +
lag.
.

Depends on the game. XCOM is turn-based, for instance. And people do often play cross-server Starcraft games, only sometimes resulting in problems
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 23 2013 21:18 GMT
#6
There is no reason whatsoever for TL staff to get involved in an official way.

Set up a tournament if you have the time and people will play in it if they care enough. Blood Bowl league has gone for a number of seasons. Dota 2 inhouses - albeit not exactly competitive in nature - happen all the time. Most of the problems you listed seem like non-issues to me, especially with no sponsors or money on the line.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3220 Posts
August 23 2013 22:52 GMT
#7
On August 24 2013 06:18 Talin wrote:
There is no reason whatsoever for TL staff to get involved in an official way.

Set up a tournament if you have the time and people will play in it if they care enough. Blood Bowl league has gone for a number of seasons. Dota 2 inhouses - albeit not exactly competitive in nature - happen all the time. Most of the problems you listed seem like non-issues to me, especially with no sponsors or money on the line.

The idea would be for it to not just be a tournament that was organized on TL (there's plenty of other places to find tournaments to play in) but for it to be a TL community tournament, crowning an official TL champion. Am I wrong to assume that if I went to the Sports and Games forum and tried to create a TL XCOM tournament, people would tell me to shut up and get out of their forum? Whereas if TL staff created a "TL Tournaments" subforum in Sports and Games a lot of people might be interested.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 23 2013 23:37 GMT
#8
On August 24 2013 07:52 ChristianS wrote:
Am I wrong to assume that if I went to the Sports and Games forum and tried to create a TL XCOM tournament, people would tell me to shut up and get out of their forum?


I'm pretty sure you are wrong to assume that.

The only possible way I can foresee a reaction like that happening is if you put very little effort, information or content into your thread (basically common requirements for any non-blog thread apply). I suppose you can't call it an official TL championship, but if it's only official for the sake of being official, then that doesn't mean much, right? You could still call it a TL community league or whatever.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3220 Posts
August 23 2013 23:48 GMT
#9
Yeah, I suppose that's fair. Obviously with any new tournament there's the worry that the admins will be lazy or incompetent, and everything will just fall apart. TL staff being involved would help alleviate that concern, but I suppose that's not totally necessary. Perhaps I'll create just such a thread some time in the near future, when I'm sure that I could follow through and organize the tournament if sufficient interest were expressed
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 24 2013 00:12 GMT
#10
I'm down for a Street Fighter 4 edition :p
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3220 Posts
August 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#11
I'd totally watch that, although I don't think I'm good enough to compete. Does TL have enough Street Fighter 4 fans to fill a tournament?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
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