• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:30
CEST 11:30
KST 18:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters0Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)62Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format16[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!16Weekly Cups (July 6 - 12): Protoss strike back12BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion8
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" [D] Wireframe Casting Removed
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026 GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
Animated Gateway NaDa's Body BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion Pros Debate: Zerg Unfairly Nerfed? (ASL S22 map)
Tourneys
[IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Role of Gaming on Mental Hea…
TrAiDoS
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10658 users

TL Champion

Blogs > ChristianS
Post a Reply
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 20:26:09
August 23 2013 20:23 GMT
#1
I've always liked the idea of the TSL. Different countries, tournament circuits, etc. might have their champions, but TL also has its own Starcraft champion. And with TLS, there can be a TL Brood War champion as well. I don't really follow Dota 2, but I wouldn't be surprised if TL puts together some kind of Dota 2 league soon to crown the Team Liquid MOBA champions.

The trouble is, these Team Liquid tournaments are rare and massive. This makes sense for games like Starcraft, where a few tournaments done right is much better than a swarm of tournaments shoddily put together. That means getting sponsors and casters and Team Liquid cinematics to introduce every game. But what about other games that don't demand to be taken quite so seriously?

I want to know who the TL XCOM champion is. Or the TL Divekick champion. But if you tried to put together one of those massive tournaments, the inevitable answer is "But you can't possibly find sponsors! There won't be prize money! Who's going to cast it? Can you even find enough players to fill a 64-man bracket?"

Well, how about a group stage feeding into a 16 man bracket? With no prize money? Streamed when possible, with one of the other players who's not in this round commentating? Hell, it wouldn't even really have to be featured on TL, let alone sponsored by anyone. It might be that people wouldn't be interested in this kind of thing, but since I've never actually seen it attempted on TL, it's hard to know what community response would be.

So then, why hasn't it happened? The obvious question is who would organize it. There's a lot of logistical problems in organizing a tournament, and even if someone is willing to do the work, they still have to convince all the players to respect their authority. That's why tournaments are usually organized by some existing organization dedicated to the game, and then the tournament is advertised to players – no authority issues. For instance, what if two different people tried to organize TL XCOM tournaments? Which one is legitimate? Which should players play in? If both tournaments get off the ground and pronounce champions, who is the true TL champion?

So here's how I think it could happen: TL staff get involved to create official TL tournament threads for various games, and delegate to community members to organize the tournaments. Community members sign up for the tournaments, and TL staff are only involved in case of disputes. When a tournament completes, the champion is proclaimed in the official tournament thread, and either the thread is recycled for the next season, or a new thread (also proclaiming last season's champion) is created for the next season.

And what happens if there's not enough community interest? Well, when a game's tournament thread is created, people comment who are interested in playing. There's a deadline determined in the thread for when people have to sign up; and if not enough people sign up, the tournament doesn't happen. Then if people still want a tournament to happen, they have to find the thread for that game and comment they'd still like to play; if enough people sign up to fill a bracket after the deadline, the process is restarted. Otherwise, worst case scenario is nobody ever signs up and the TL champion seat for that game remains vacant – as it is currently.

Obviously I'm asking a lot of other people to put work in to reshape TL to my liking (although if my help were required to make a tournament happen, I'd happily help out); but I think a lot of people would like this website feature. The obvious comparison is TL Mafia – it uses TL resources and takes a lot of logistical work to do it, but it's a feature a lot of people appreciate, and it probably increases TL traffic which (I'm just guessing) probably helps out the website, too.

So, what do you say? Would you be interested in official TL tournaments for a wider range of games? Would you be willing to help out with organizing them? And if so, what games do you think should be played?

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 23 2013 20:24 GMT
#2
I am the champion. That is all.
Useless wet fish.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
August 23 2013 20:25 GMT
#3
All hail the champ
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
August 23 2013 20:37 GMT
#4
Hm, well, since TL is a global community, I guess in most cases the TL Champion's name would be + Show Spoiler +
lag.
.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
August 23 2013 20:48 GMT
#5
On August 24 2013 05:37 wingpawn wrote:
Hm, well, since TL is a global community, I guess in most cases the TL Champion's name would be + Show Spoiler +
lag.
.

Depends on the game. XCOM is turn-based, for instance. And people do often play cross-server Starcraft games, only sometimes resulting in problems
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 23 2013 21:18 GMT
#6
There is no reason whatsoever for TL staff to get involved in an official way.

Set up a tournament if you have the time and people will play in it if they care enough. Blood Bowl league has gone for a number of seasons. Dota 2 inhouses - albeit not exactly competitive in nature - happen all the time. Most of the problems you listed seem like non-issues to me, especially with no sponsors or money on the line.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
August 23 2013 22:52 GMT
#7
On August 24 2013 06:18 Talin wrote:
There is no reason whatsoever for TL staff to get involved in an official way.

Set up a tournament if you have the time and people will play in it if they care enough. Blood Bowl league has gone for a number of seasons. Dota 2 inhouses - albeit not exactly competitive in nature - happen all the time. Most of the problems you listed seem like non-issues to me, especially with no sponsors or money on the line.

The idea would be for it to not just be a tournament that was organized on TL (there's plenty of other places to find tournaments to play in) but for it to be a TL community tournament, crowning an official TL champion. Am I wrong to assume that if I went to the Sports and Games forum and tried to create a TL XCOM tournament, people would tell me to shut up and get out of their forum? Whereas if TL staff created a "TL Tournaments" subforum in Sports and Games a lot of people might be interested.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 23 2013 23:37 GMT
#8
On August 24 2013 07:52 ChristianS wrote:
Am I wrong to assume that if I went to the Sports and Games forum and tried to create a TL XCOM tournament, people would tell me to shut up and get out of their forum?


I'm pretty sure you are wrong to assume that.

The only possible way I can foresee a reaction like that happening is if you put very little effort, information or content into your thread (basically common requirements for any non-blog thread apply). I suppose you can't call it an official TL championship, but if it's only official for the sake of being official, then that doesn't mean much, right? You could still call it a TL community league or whatever.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
August 23 2013 23:48 GMT
#9
Yeah, I suppose that's fair. Obviously with any new tournament there's the worry that the admins will be lazy or incompetent, and everything will just fall apart. TL staff being involved would help alleviate that concern, but I suppose that's not totally necessary. Perhaps I'll create just such a thread some time in the near future, when I'm sure that I could follow through and organize the tournament if sufficient interest were expressed
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
August 24 2013 00:12 GMT
#10
I'm down for a Street Fighter 4 edition :p
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
August 24 2013 18:26 GMT
#11
I'd totally watch that, although I don't think I'm good enough to compete. Does TL have enough Street Fighter 4 fans to fill a tournament?
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 1793
BeSt 924
Bisu 895
Jaedong 456
Shuttle 325
Leta 306
Zeus 283
Rain 246
firebathero 240
Larva 203
[ Show more ]
Mini 127
Sharp 125
Aegong 114
Dewaltoss 82
ggaemo 73
Free 68
Movie 64
scan(afreeca) 41
soO 39
910 29
ZerO 28
Light 23
HiyA 22
Nal_rA 21
yabsab 17
ToSsGirL 17
sorry 15
Noble 14
Terrorterran 10
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm129
XcaliburYe2
Other Games
singsing371
Pyrionflax213
Sick89
ZerO(Twitch)3
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2086
BasetradeTV223
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH514
• StrangeGG 82
• LUISG 16
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2122
League of Legends
• Rush1522
• Stunt586
• HappyZerGling108
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
1h 30m
Monday Night Weeklies
6h 30m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 14h
The PondCast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
OSC
2 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Clem vs ByuN
Serral vs SHIN
Online Event
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Solar
Rogue vs Lambo
Liquipedia Results

Completed

IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

Acropolis #4
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.