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Alyyx
Profile Joined August 2012
Montenegro17 Posts
May 24 2013 20:32 GMT
#41
Let's not forget that often it's pings who decide who gets thousands of dollars/euros.

It's not a small issue.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
May 24 2013 20:32 GMT
#42
Nice blog.
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nska
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
Russian Federation5 Posts
May 24 2013 20:43 GMT
#43
Thanks everyone for support
I didnt want to destroy NA scene, lol. I just want best conditions for every player on both continents.
Shootemup.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1044 Posts
May 24 2013 21:34 GMT
#44
On May 25 2013 05:04 Zaphid wrote:
Maybe at some point EU scene will grow big enough that NA teams simply move to EU ?

Maybe, but if that happens then the odds of good teams in NA developing will plummet since all the tournaments will be hosted in EU and the money will probably come from the EU as well. Ideally both regions would have a really strong scene and neither would be forced to move to the other so they could play in tournaments.
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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
May 24 2013 21:37 GMT
#45
On May 25 2013 04:46 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:44 Haxity wrote:
Thanks for giving me a reason to never respect you as a player in this game.

Huh?....what? Did you even read the whole thing?

he's a troll, has like 50 accounts on reddit due to them being continually banned. just report and move on I guess
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 21:46:22
May 24 2013 21:44 GMT
#46
On May 25 2013 03:11 Kipsate wrote:
But the NA scene can't live on its own, there is not enough interest, not enough sponsors. Its a downward spiral if you seperate NA like that. IndyO is right, there is no solution where everyone wins, somebody has to lose and NA has a lot to lose.


This sounds eerily similar to a problem the NA SC2 scene is suffering from now, where the lack of local tournaments and competition has stiffed growth and progress to the point where now most NA players can't compete with the best of EU, never mind Koreans.

I think, for the better of both the NA and EU scenes, but especially the NA scene, it is best to region lock it.
I don't think there really isn't any interest in the local heroes, TotalBiscuit did a NA only tournament in an attempt to foster more growth in the SC2 scene for NA, and while he did meet technical difficulties, by his own assessment, the tournament was a success and it proved that there is interest in the local scene.

What is needed is for that interest to be tapped into, harnessed, more teams created, more sponsors found. I have no doubt it won't be easy, but I don't believe for a moment that it can't be done.

Also, not region locking actually still hurts the NA scene. Not only does it feel unfair for the europeans that they lose because of bad ping, but the NA scene actually gets build on uneasy soil. They don't get to fight the europeans at their mightiest because of the ping issues, thus they gain easier victories and a false sense of strength. When it comes to playing in actual LAN events, on even footing they might stumble and fail miserably, because they don't have the actual strength of fighting toe to toe with EU or China.

I say, for the better of all DotA, there needs to be region locking, otherwise you risk repeating in the DotA scene, what has already happened in the NA SC2 scene.

Thanks to the author for posting this, its good to have people speak their mind and point out conditions that aren't the best, and foster discussions on how to bring improvements.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 21:56:22
May 24 2013 21:55 GMT
#47
Its just more fair to have EUW play on USE than USW play on EUW europe needs to just accept relatively minor ping issues. and thats math, you can't argue with math.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
May 24 2013 22:16 GMT
#48
On May 25 2013 03:44 Haxity wrote:
Thanks for giving me a reason to never respect you as a player in this game.


did you fix your O key or what
fattycop
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4 Posts
May 24 2013 22:38 GMT
#49
On May 25 2013 06:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
Its just more fair to have EUW play on USE than USW play on EUW europe needs to just accept relatively minor ping issues. and thats math, you can't argue with math.

There's no problem with that at all. The problem is when ukraine and russian teams have to play on USE, at that point its a really big issue for both teams either way.
desu
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
May 24 2013 22:42 GMT
#50
Of course its easy to find tweets of players complaining when they lose. They dont say anything when they win. Not saying its not an advantage but he is making out that teams lose every game when the ping is against them.

Teams seem to want someone to fix this for them when there is very little that can be done bar setting up servers in Greenland or some such place. However there are countries in the EU that have a good ping to US East (UK for one). Its time that they start considering bootcamping or setting up a teamhouse in one of these countries. The same goes for the US, I know its convenient for the owners of EG to just put the team into a house in Arizona but it isn't actually doing the team any favours when they could find somewhere nearer with less ping issues. Although its not so easy for CIS teams to do the same.
Sapeviech
Profile Joined May 2013
Austria1 Post
May 24 2013 22:43 GMT
#51
The game is unplayable for me on 120+ ping, I guess it's what you're used to but 200ping isnt even close to showing your actual skill. Hope that casters at least show what server they are playing on and what ping the players have since it's not really fair to them.
Austria?
Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
May 24 2013 22:45 GMT
#52
On May 25 2013 06:55 PrinceXizor wrote:
Its just more fair to have EUW play on USE than USW play on EUW europe needs to just accept relatively minor ping issues. and thats math, you can't argue with math.

You can argue it when you are wrong, CIS teams get as high a ping to USE as NA West coast teams do on EUW there is no middle ground unfortunately its the matchup that has the biggest problem at the moment.
TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 24 2013 23:34 GMT
#53
While it is better to speak frankly about such issues, the overall solution to region lock is rather silly.

The overall goal of tournaments is to find a niche with the widest marketability. Failing to attract the best teams reduces relevance and viewership and ultimately the prize pool. It is therefore up to the organizers to balance the tradeoffs and the general pattern is the prevalent approach of unifying EU, NA, and CIS regions in online tournaments. Some tournaments are EU/NA centric, and they have their targeted audience that is often smaller.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 23:43:00
May 24 2013 23:40 GMT
#54
On May 25 2013 07:16 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:44 Haxity wrote:
Thanks for giving me a reason to never respect you as a player in this game.


did you fix your O key or what


LOL I wouldn't have even noticed if you hadn't said something. that's pretty great.

I also agree that ping can cause a lot of problems but sadly I don't see anyway to fix that problem. Teams will just have to live with it. I don't think anything should be changed if it punishes an entire area =/
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
May 24 2013 23:50 GMT
#55
On May 25 2013 05:43 nska wrote:
Thanks everyone for support
I didnt want to destroy NA scene, lol. I just want best conditions for every player on both continents.

You made a great post, instead of just complaining about it (Which happens sometimes), you offered real solutions, and made real points, about how the ping changes how people play, how they draft. Thats a bigger influence than anything else

Ultimately, points like that show how the ping problems harm the viewer as much as the players, they're not getting the super competitive matches they want

As for your solutions

"The same goes for NA. Someone wants to run an intercontinental tournament? Easy, run qualifiers for each continent online, separately. The winners go to a LAN which result in spectacular Finals. Everyone is happy!"

I'm pretty sure thats how EMS is running their second cup, and this is absolutely the way to do it. It lets us have a vibrant competetive scene between the two continents, without ping getting in the way

I'd prefer more of what EMS is doing and less of full online tournaments
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Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
May 26 2013 14:45 GMT
#56
On May 25 2013 07:16 Klonere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2013 03:44 Haxity wrote:
Thanks for giving me a reason to never respect you as a player in this game.


did you fix your O key or what


lmao i was gonna ask that...

Great to have you on TL NS! Good blog too because you back it up with evidence, so people can understand how much ping affects players.
In Mushi we trust
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
May 27 2013 04:36 GMT
#57
On May 25 2013 08:34 TanGeng wrote:
While it is better to speak frankly about such issues, the overall solution to region lock is rather silly.

The overall goal of tournaments is to find a niche with the widest marketability. Failing to attract the best teams reduces relevance and viewership and ultimately the prize pool. It is therefore up to the organizers to balance the tradeoffs and the general pattern is the prevalent approach of unifying EU, NA, and CIS regions in online tournaments. Some tournaments are EU/NA centric, and they have their targeted audience that is often smaller.
You don't have to region lock the tournaments you just have to lock the server for a tournament.
Once you Goblak...
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
May 27 2013 12:36 GMT
#58
first thing valve should do is at least fix the goddam us east server. i get ~130 ping on USE which is definitely playable (for me at least) but the absurd number of spikes, freezes and disconnects completely ruins it. it happens to everyone, not just to eu players. i remember like 6 months ago when i used to have 40 ping on USE (same internet connection and pc) and none of this ever happened. idk what the hell happened (maybe just a lot more players), but i know that this can be fixed with just a server upgrade/fix/w.e alone. valve can resolve this if they care enough about it, no need for extreme measures.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 16:10:01
May 28 2013 16:09 GMT
#59
Nice blog, thanks for the translation.

On May 25 2013 02:40 Kennigit wrote:
Great job. Thanks for translating.


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