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Alyyx
Montenegro17 Posts
It's not a small issue. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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nska
Russian Federation5 Posts
 I didnt want to destroy NA scene, lol. I just want best conditions for every player on both continents. | ||
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Shootemup.
United States1044 Posts
On May 25 2013 05:04 Zaphid wrote: Maybe at some point EU scene will grow big enough that NA teams simply move to EU ? Maybe, but if that happens then the odds of good teams in NA developing will plummet since all the tournaments will be hosted in EU and the money will probably come from the EU as well. Ideally both regions would have a really strong scene and neither would be forced to move to the other so they could play in tournaments. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
On May 25 2013 04:46 Atoissen wrote: Huh?....what? Did you even read the whole thing? he's a troll, has like 50 accounts on reddit due to them being continually banned. just report and move on I guess | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On May 25 2013 03:11 Kipsate wrote: But the NA scene can't live on its own, there is not enough interest, not enough sponsors. Its a downward spiral if you seperate NA like that. IndyO is right, there is no solution where everyone wins, somebody has to lose and NA has a lot to lose. This sounds eerily similar to a problem the NA SC2 scene is suffering from now, where the lack of local tournaments and competition has stiffed growth and progress to the point where now most NA players can't compete with the best of EU, never mind Koreans. I think, for the better of both the NA and EU scenes, but especially the NA scene, it is best to region lock it. I don't think there really isn't any interest in the local heroes, TotalBiscuit did a NA only tournament in an attempt to foster more growth in the SC2 scene for NA, and while he did meet technical difficulties, by his own assessment, the tournament was a success and it proved that there is interest in the local scene. What is needed is for that interest to be tapped into, harnessed, more teams created, more sponsors found. I have no doubt it won't be easy, but I don't believe for a moment that it can't be done. Also, not region locking actually still hurts the NA scene. Not only does it feel unfair for the europeans that they lose because of bad ping, but the NA scene actually gets build on uneasy soil. They don't get to fight the europeans at their mightiest because of the ping issues, thus they gain easier victories and a false sense of strength. When it comes to playing in actual LAN events, on even footing they might stumble and fail miserably, because they don't have the actual strength of fighting toe to toe with EU or China. I say, for the better of all DotA, there needs to be region locking, otherwise you risk repeating in the DotA scene, what has already happened in the NA SC2 scene. Thanks to the author for posting this, its good to have people speak their mind and point out conditions that aren't the best, and foster discussions on how to bring improvements. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On May 25 2013 03:44 Haxity wrote: Thanks for giving me a reason to never respect you as a player in this game. did you fix your O key or what | ||
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fattycop
United States4 Posts
On May 25 2013 06:55 PrinceXizor wrote: Its just more fair to have EUW play on USE than USW play on EUW europe needs to just accept relatively minor ping issues. and thats math, you can't argue with math. There's no problem with that at all. The problem is when ukraine and russian teams have to play on USE, at that point its a really big issue for both teams either way. | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
Teams seem to want someone to fix this for them when there is very little that can be done bar setting up servers in Greenland or some such place. However there are countries in the EU that have a good ping to US East (UK for one). Its time that they start considering bootcamping or setting up a teamhouse in one of these countries. The same goes for the US, I know its convenient for the owners of EG to just put the team into a house in Arizona but it isn't actually doing the team any favours when they could find somewhere nearer with less ping issues. Although its not so easy for CIS teams to do the same. | ||
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Sapeviech
Austria1 Post
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
On May 25 2013 06:55 PrinceXizor wrote: Its just more fair to have EUW play on USE than USW play on EUW europe needs to just accept relatively minor ping issues. and thats math, you can't argue with math. You can argue it when you are wrong, CIS teams get as high a ping to USE as NA West coast teams do on EUW there is no middle ground unfortunately its the matchup that has the biggest problem at the moment. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
The overall goal of tournaments is to find a niche with the widest marketability. Failing to attract the best teams reduces relevance and viewership and ultimately the prize pool. It is therefore up to the organizers to balance the tradeoffs and the general pattern is the prevalent approach of unifying EU, NA, and CIS regions in online tournaments. Some tournaments are EU/NA centric, and they have their targeted audience that is often smaller. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6593 Posts
LOL I wouldn't have even noticed if you hadn't said something. that's pretty great. I also agree that ping can cause a lot of problems but sadly I don't see anyway to fix that problem. Teams will just have to live with it.  I don't think anything should be changed if it punishes an entire area =/ | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On May 25 2013 05:43 nska wrote: Thanks everyone for support I didnt want to destroy NA scene, lol. I just want best conditions for every player on both continents. You made a great post, instead of just complaining about it (Which happens sometimes), you offered real solutions, and made real points, about how the ping changes how people play, how they draft. Thats a bigger influence than anything else Ultimately, points like that show how the ping problems harm the viewer as much as the players, they're not getting the super competitive matches they want As for your solutions "The same goes for NA. Someone wants to run an intercontinental tournament? Easy, run qualifiers for each continent online, separately. The winners go to a LAN which result in spectacular Finals. Everyone is happy!" I'm pretty sure thats how EMS is running their second cup, and this is absolutely the way to do it. It lets us have a vibrant competetive scene between the two continents, without ping getting in the way I'd prefer more of what EMS is doing and less of full online tournaments | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
lmao i was gonna ask that... Great to have you on TL NS! Good blog too because you back it up with evidence, so people can understand how much ping affects players. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On May 25 2013 08:34 TanGeng wrote: You don't have to region lock the tournaments you just have to lock the server for a tournament.While it is better to speak frankly about such issues, the overall solution to region lock is rather silly. The overall goal of tournaments is to find a niche with the widest marketability. Failing to attract the best teams reduces relevance and viewership and ultimately the prize pool. It is therefore up to the organizers to balance the tradeoffs and the general pattern is the prevalent approach of unifying EU, NA, and CIS regions in online tournaments. Some tournaments are EU/NA centric, and they have their targeted audience that is often smaller. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On May 25 2013 02:40 Kennigit wrote: Great job. Thanks for translating. You look weird. :s | ||
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