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shostakovich
Brazil1429 Posts
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miseiler
United States1389 Posts
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Haxity
United States119 Posts
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Souone
Brazil470 Posts
On May 25 2013 03:28 Lamoraaa wrote: While I agree that NA scene can't live on its own, they should take steps toward making it viable ie do do semi descent tournaments in NA where the top NA teams participation should be mandatory, so in it's own time, a scene would grow. The American League that will start with NA + SA teams is a descent start, and 10k prizepool justify the inclusion of the top teams. And I think NA teams should bow and play on EU servers on online european competitions. Wouldn't there be the same ping problem with using SA teams to compete on north american tournaments (US East/West) ? I mean, maybe it's just me and my internet is terrible, but I usually get 220ms on East and never tried West because I just assume routing is worse from where I am (SP). | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On the other hand the three dominant NA teams, Dignitas, TL and EG could hypothetically just relocate to Germany for example. At the moment it is just not sustainable. Prize pools are too small and I don't think teams stream such as SC2 players so that stream ad revenue would be a serious source of income. And at the same time this solution would likely kill even the little pro DotA2 from NA that exists besides "the three". | ||
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Lamoraaa
Brazil58 Posts
On May 25 2013 03:58 Souone wrote: Wouldn't there be the same ping problem with using SA teams to compete on north american tournaments (US East/West) ? I mean, maybe it's just me and my internet is terrible, but I usually get 220ms on East and never tried West because I just assume routing is worse from where I am (SP). I will answer this in 2 parts: . I'm from Rio and get 130 ms with virtua, but tons of my friends get 200~250 like you do. So in this sense, it's the same. . The other part is not the same at all: What I'm proposing is to grow regional leagues. As neither SA or NA can have a sustainable scene alone, you grow a scene uniting this 2 regions first. When you get 20 to 30 descent teams in a NA + SA scene like you do have in EU, you take it to the next level and try to create two different scenes, one for NA and one for SA. The cycle possibly continues till we have tournaments with close pings. Keep in mind that a important part of this is that the top NA teams need to continue competing in the EU scene for now(imo bowing to EU servers), otherwise they will get less sponsor exposure, possibly run into financial problems and die. | ||
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arkandor
Germany1 Post
tournaments make their rules, if you dont like it dont play. | ||
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Alyyx
Montenegro17 Posts
On May 25 2013 03:44 Haxity wrote: Thanks for giving me a reason to never respect you as a player in this game. I'm sure you'll damage his ego quite a lot, him being a new player breaking into the scene with so little fans and respect given. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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fattycop
United States4 Posts
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On May 25 2013 03:44 Haxity wrote: Thanks for giving me a reason to never respect you as a player in this game. Huh?....what? Did you even read the whole thing? | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On May 25 2013 04:39 fattycop wrote: I like how he says europe instead of russian/ukranian teams (who are the teams with actual ping issues to USE server). EG had over 250+ ping in the west qualifier, so its not like they are in ping heaven connecting to EU servers. 12 0 for Europe in EMS, how can you argue against this, he does not say the problem is one sided. Russia alone is bigger than whole NA anyway... Think about it like if it were your job, because it's his one. | ||
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
I do agree with you that tourneys should be based to a continent. If there ever was a online groupstage for G1 with both Chinese and Western teams participating, you think they would let any games be played on EU or NA?  | ||
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fattycop
United States4 Posts
On May 25 2013 04:46 nojok wrote: 12 0 for Europe in EMS, how can you argue against this, he does not say the problem is one sided. Russia alone is bigger than whole NA anyway... Think about it like if it were your job, because it's his one. I felt like the article was overly critical of NA teams while saying EU teams were the ones being harmed. I agree that its a huge problem for both. Maybe just lost in translation :D | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On May 25 2013 04:50 fattycop wrote: I felt like the article was overly critical of NA teams while saying EU teams were the ones being harmed. I agree that its a huge problem for both. Maybe just lost in translation :D I think you're right but the problem is still there despite his bias. | ||
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karake
2 Posts
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shizaep
Canada2920 Posts
Not sure what can be done about this though. Maybe Valve should just put a server in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean so that it's equidistant from both EU and NA. Or perhaps play on China or SEA servers so it's equally unplayable for both teams and all the unfairness is gone. Nice blog tho. Желаю удачи VP | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
On May 25 2013 04:55 karake wrote: Why wouldn't he be biased? It's obviously the american teams who are benefiting the most from the current situation. You can turn that around and say that the American teams are the ones who will be fucked the most by a change to the status quo. | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
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karake
2 Posts
On May 25 2013 04:57 beef42 wrote: You can turn that around and say that the American teams are the ones who will be fucked the most by a change to the status quo. That's obviously true. If the american teams lose their ping advantage their win rates will plummet. The situation now however makes EU vs US games almost completely uninteresting and I feel bad every time a team claims the top spot because of a ping advantage. The best solution for Dota would be as some people have said to make EU tournaments be played out on EU servers and US tournaments played out on US servers. That way a team can - if they think they're good enough - play with a disadvantage and the home teams will not be screwed over by a coin toss. | ||
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