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SHOUTcraft America postmortem - Page 5

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tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
May 23 2013 18:00 GMT
#81
On May 24 2013 00:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I genuinely appreciate the fervour of these fans and because of them I have hope for the future. At the same time though I feel like a complete failure for letting them down.

Now stop right there mister! I hope that you don't feel like SCA "let us down" for having some hiccups. I think everyone can see that you and Genna did the best damn job you could considering the circumstances and that is all you can do! SCA was great and I'm still shocked by dat pricepool.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
May 23 2013 18:02 GMT
#82
On May 24 2013 02:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 02:55 Crownlol wrote:
Can we close the other thread and just link responses here?


That'd be cool, that thread is obsolete now because the information it was based on was incomplete and old


I have done this!
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 23 2013 18:13 GMT
#83
I want to genuinely thank you and Genna for all the effort you put into this. I hope there will be another SCA!
Get off my lawn, young punks
bsdaemon
Profile Joined July 2012
618 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 18:16:11
May 23 2013 18:14 GMT
#84
To TB: I really enjoyed watching SCA. Good job even if the show was hammered with technical issues

From a casual's pov, I think there should be a tournament like this that helps introduce lesser known NA players, something that will push amateurs or high masters/grand masters to become pros. Something like an amateur league that displays NA player's capability and skill. Profit or going break-even is probably hard but I hope the scene will find a way.
khanan
Profile Joined July 2011
47 Posts
May 23 2013 18:16 GMT
#85
Just logged in to say thanks to you, John and Genna. The EU shoutcrafts will be sorely missed, but good luck to you in your future endeavors.
There is no right, or wrong; only fun, and boring.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
May 23 2013 18:19 GMT
#86
so if this tournament would aim for break even then the prize pool would have to be reduced from 10.000 to 1.000.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 18:22:59
May 23 2013 18:22 GMT
#87
TB, please follow the directions included in this song.
+ Show Spoiler +


(We want more! SCNA was awesome.)
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Alexj
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Ukraine440 Posts
May 23 2013 18:22 GMT
#88
I would actually watch games specifically casted by TB and Day9, but when I tuned in that evening, it turned out there were only PvP and ZvZ. And maybe there were some PvZs later, but it was too late for me anyway
More GGs, more skill
icepick37
Profile Joined October 2012
United States5 Posts
May 23 2013 18:23 GMT
#89
Awesome. Glad to support NA. Hope you both get feeling better.

Have to say, despite all the problems this was still one of my favorite tournaments to watch (granted I'm still really new to the sc2 scene), but it had a lot of character that most of them lack.

Here's hoping for a season 2 no matter the revisions.
CableSCES
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States367 Posts
May 23 2013 18:24 GMT
#90
Great blog, very thankful for what you and Genna have done with this SCA, and I do really hope to see more in the future.

You hit the region locking, local heroes and proper regional development of eSports, the player support/sustenance, the reasons for viewership numbers... all right on the head.

Much more respect gained via this endeavor and this blog.
Saving SoCal eSports one sponsor at a time: MSI, JINX, Tt eSPORTS, HyperX, Red Bull ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
May 23 2013 18:31 GMT
#91
Thanks a lot to you and your lady for putting this up. Watched it every time I had the opportunity to do it, I hope there is a next time and you'll manage to (at least) even the cost for it!
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 23 2013 18:44 GMT
#92
Hopefully we'll get to see a second season in some form. Did you consider putting the production in the hands of someone else where you just did the casting and things behind the curtain?
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
May 23 2013 18:48 GMT
#93
What an excellent post! This is quite reassuring after those distressing tweets that hinted at future SCAs being canceled due to comments on reddit.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
zachreborn
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2 Posts
May 23 2013 18:55 GMT
#94
TB great write up. This likely won't get read or caught by you but you don't need to procure a T3 or pay those costs. I'm a network engineer and depending upon your area and a little research a simple dual residential ISP setup with say a pfSense firewall/router doing load balancing would do the trick. If you'd like to discuss it shoot me a PM.

Thanks so much for the tournament I loved watching it and have some of the VODs I missed queued up for this weekend.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 23 2013 19:00 GMT
#95
On May 24 2013 03:55 zachreborn wrote:
TB great write up. This likely won't get read or caught by you but you don't need to procure a T3 or pay those costs. I'm a network engineer and depending upon your area and a little research a simple dual residential ISP setup with say a pfSense firewall/router doing load balancing would do the trick. If you'd like to discuss it shoot me a PM.

Thanks so much for the tournament I loved watching it and have some of the VODs I missed queued up for this weekend.


Yeah I thought about bonding, I did that in the UK, but the only ISP That does 5 up in this area is TWC who suck so even if I bound 2 DSL lines together, teh speed would be too awful to be useful
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
May 23 2013 19:00 GMT
#96
I certainly watched a couple days of it and thought it was a very beneficial thing for the scene. I wouldn't have watched an invitational. I think it's good when tournaments mean something. The GSL can legitimately call their champion the best player in the world, and certainly the WCS seasonal/year finals can do that. This tournament legitimately produced a "best on the American ladder". That's not as prestigious a title, but it's a real title. An invitational is just "best of these 8 random people who are popular" and that's really not very exciting.

Also, WCS America has horrible casting. This did not. I don't understand how NA has all these great casters, and none of them are casting the most prestigious tournament.
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 23 2013 19:02 GMT
#97
On May 24 2013 03:00 tuoli9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 00:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I genuinely appreciate the fervour of these fans and because of them I have hope for the future. At the same time though I feel like a complete failure for letting them down.

Now stop right there mister! I hope that you don't feel like SCA "let us down" for having some hiccups. I think everyone can see that you and Genna did the best damn job you could considering the circumstances and that is all you can do! SCA was great and I'm still shocked by dat pricepool.


I don't feel let down. It's not like there was some entry fee and I don't feel like I got my money's worth or something- I loved the concept, and thoroughly enjoyed the broadcast.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
May 23 2013 19:02 GMT
#98
Have you thought about moving to Kansas City and trying to utilize google fiber?
Izanagii
Profile Joined May 2011
Spain14 Posts
May 23 2013 19:07 GMT
#99
I watched most of the shows. Very enjoyable, great work.
“The more I practice, the luckier I get.” - Gary Player
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 19:08:16
May 23 2013 19:07 GMT
#100
On May 24 2013 02:36 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 01:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 24 2013 01:40 Eury wrote:
I'm just curious how you define competitive with WCS EU? I mean they usually have around 40-60k viewers every day across all streams. You really only came close to that the first day.


I don't think you understand what competitive means.

Wow, that's a bit harsh. Maybe you should explain it to him then? Or is there some bad history between the two of you?


It's not TB's job to educate random internet posters on things that take a mighty couple of seconds to google and absorb the information.

Great event, all things considered. Far from perfect, certainly, but also nowhere near a failure. I enjoyed it quite a bit, technical difficulties notwithstanding. In fact for me personally they weren't *too* much of an issue since I'm used to having multiple streams open and tuning in and out selectively so there's always content for me to watch while I wait for a tournament to start/resume.

I think with a little more preparation, better conditions schedule-wise and technical-wise and a bit of luck, a future SHOUTCraft America could be a remarkable success. Hopefully those favourable circumstances will present themselves and allow a next event to be held.

Hwaiting~

I will say though, I did sorely miss the TotalHalibut content but if anything, its absence will only make me more excited to watch it.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
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