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MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
May 23 2013 21:35 GMT
#141
On May 24 2013 06:27 Epamynondas wrote:
Yo TB, in order to reduce the financial strain, would it be feasible to reduce the prize-pool significantly and rely on the tip-jar system to kind of make up for it? Maybe giving and option to donate to the overall prize pool or something.

So I guess my question is whether the tip-jar cash is enough to make this not a big missing out of money for players.


Speaking of which, it would be interesting to know how much the players have managed to earn this time in the form of tips.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
laxcrit19
Profile Joined November 2011
United States6 Posts
May 23 2013 22:02 GMT
#142
Thank you.
where did all my SCVs go?
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
May 23 2013 22:21 GMT
#143
Thanks for the info and the tournament, I hope you can run more similar tournaments and make it work better for you and other people working on it. The Internet is definitely something very important for you so take your time and deal with that first (I think I noticed TGS Podcast stream dropping a lot too so it seems to be an universal problem).
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11054 Posts
May 23 2013 22:22 GMT
#144
Love reading TB's debriefs. Sounds a bit more reasonable then Genna's 150 characters (naturally). Even if they don't do another season I am glad that they're respecting what they did achieve given everything else. Honestly 50k for the finals is just silly considering how few people from NA could watch.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
May 23 2013 22:37 GMT
#145
It's really great that you're not simply resting on the fact that you did what NCS NA should have done, and are holding yourself to a higher standard. Trust me, you did more than enough for the NA scene in the past few weeks than Blizzard/MLG/IPL/NASL has done in three years. You're the first group of people (well, husband and wife, if we can call that a group) that promised to help NA players and actually stuck with it. Everyone else ran to the nearest translator before the first six months, and it's refreshing to see someone actually stand by us in the NA scene.

You know all the problems and you know all the solutions, or I trust are smart enough to figure them out. So I'll just say "Thank you" for not giving up on the NA pro scene like so many others. If it's dead in a year (which it was headed for before SCA with the insanity that is/was the MLG WCS NA), at least you can say you tried. And I can say I watched.
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 23 2013 22:54 GMT
#146
I really do want to see more. I really enjoyed watching the tournament. I only wish the scheduling could have been better, but I get that there's a limit to what you can do. Just...the grand finals went by without my even being aware until after the fact T_T
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Razorspine
Profile Joined September 2012
New Zealand29 Posts
May 23 2013 23:27 GMT
#147
great write up.

Blizzard may not be the 'enemy' however they sure as hell make it extremely difficult for other tournaments that they do not directly influence to occur successfully.....
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CygNus X-1
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada169 Posts
May 23 2013 23:33 GMT
#148
On May 24 2013 06:27 Epamynondas wrote:
Yo TB, in order to reduce the financial strain, would it be feasible to reduce the prize-pool significantly and rely on the tip-jar system to kind of make up for it? Maybe giving and option to donate to the overall prize pool or something.

So I guess my question is whether the tip-jar cash is enough to make this not a big missing out of money for players.


This. I believe that if a tip jar prize pool was enabled prior to the tournament, the pool would have been larger than $10,000. This would alleviate the financial burden significantly. Would be a cool concept to try out in the future. Thanks for supporting and trying to grow the NA scene.
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Gabriel_reaper
Profile Joined December 2006
Czech Republic41 Posts
May 23 2013 23:38 GMT
#149
On May 24 2013 06:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 06:27 Epamynondas wrote:
Yo TB, in order to reduce the financial strain, would it be feasible to reduce the prize-pool significantly and rely on the tip-jar system to kind of make up for it? Maybe giving and option to donate to the overall prize pool or something.

So I guess my question is whether the tip-jar cash is enough to make this not a big missing out of money for players.


Speaking of which, it would be interesting to know how much the players have managed to earn this time in the form of tips.


Yea, it would be, but It cannot be done because PayPal shat themselves and denied the possibility of this information.
Only way to get info is from the earners themselves.

At least two of them said they got $500+, but I don't remember which.
Broken english FTW.
Rahb18
Profile Joined March 2011
United States17 Posts
May 23 2013 23:46 GMT
#150
It was painful to see the revenue from ads contrasting how much it was invested. Things don't always go as planned but hopefully the community can be more understanding now with this statement.
If you are good at something, never do it for free
piratechnics
Profile Joined March 2013
United States12 Posts
May 24 2013 00:09 GMT
#151
Ya know, I only was able to tune in on and off due to my busy work schedule, but even with the technical difficulties this was an amazingly fun show to watch. I really hope something like ShoutCraft America gets put on again, watching NA players is quite refreshing from time to time. Keep it up TB!
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
May 24 2013 00:13 GMT
#152
great read
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 24 2013 01:52 GMT
#153
On May 24 2013 08:33 CygNus X-1 wrote:
This. I believe that if a tip jar prize pool was enabled prior to the tournament, the pool would have been larger than $10,000.


Which you can't do, breaks the license agreement.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
May 24 2013 02:02 GMT
#154
Good guy TB. Thanks for SCA and always love the transparency
ardi
Profile Joined February 2012
United States187 Posts
May 24 2013 02:12 GMT
#155
In TB we trust.
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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
May 24 2013 02:14 GMT
#156
Thanks for posting this. Hopefully you can get another one of these going.

I feel like there simply just wasn't as much knowledge about these out either. I didn't realize that it was happening so quickly, and also missed some of the days because of work. Good luck in the future! I hope to see another one...

I also agree about the "best games" being a vocal minority. Nobody wants to watch the Yankess (/insert the best consistent football club in europe here) dominate every game; I would much rather watch my local team (the Astros ugh or the Rangers) than just see the same people dominating every time.
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
May 24 2013 02:22 GMT
#157
TB please keep this going for a second season.

I didn't tune into much so I can't comment on the "quality of games" or whatever, but I completely agree with your hypothesis about the state of NA SC2 and how it needs to move forward to survive. Sure they may not be the best but they are still good, and if this was a bi-monthly event they could train for the game quality can only go up. Also with more of the BIG NA pros focusing on the up-hill battle qualifying for WCS NA this could be an additional incentive to hit the NA ladder hard.

Finally, instead of invites having ladder spots being the seeds is super awesome, so long as you take appropriate action to prevent hackers and other cheats. Make the ladder have meaning.
Reithan
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States360 Posts
May 24 2013 03:03 GMT
#158
Also, have you considered swapping to OBS from XSplit? In understand you've already spent the money on XSplit, but OBS seems to be shaping up to be a much more stable piece of software, with most of the same functionality AND it's free/open source.
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SchAmToo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1141 Posts
May 24 2013 03:11 GMT
#159
I totally support ShoutCraft and helping American talent. Good job, TB. I look forward to Season 2
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 24 2013 03:47 GMT
#160
On May 24 2013 12:03 Reithan wrote:
Also, have you considered swapping to OBS from XSplit? In understand you've already spent the money on XSplit, but OBS seems to be shaping up to be a much more stable piece of software, with most of the same functionality AND it's free/open source.


OBS doesn't do even a fraction of what I need it to do. Great for amateurs and people that just stream gameplay, no good for professional events.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
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