• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:52
CET 04:52
KST 12:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 12 Days of Starcraft The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1899 users

SHOUTcraft America postmortem - Page 6

Blogs > TotalBiscuit
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 10 Next All
owleyes23
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1 Post
May 23 2013 19:10 GMT
#101
I also give a 5/5!

Even with the tech issues that ran through the tourny, it was some of the most fun I have had watching starcraft. I am fairly new to the game, and scene in general, and I was blown away!

One of the things that I love you about you TB and by extension Genna as well....is your honesty and front facing posture to the issues that were there. It is wonderful seeing someone acknowledge it and state what they can do better next time. How many people in your standing would say I need to learn to be a better OBS or get one on site to do it? Not many. It shows you care about your brand and your product.

I must tell you, while I have respected you for awhile, this has cemented that 100% It was a great show and wonderful thing you and the Mrs. are doing for the NA scene. Please keep it up. Lord knows we need the help lol.

To steal a line from your blog...America, Fighting!!!
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 23 2013 19:11 GMT
#102
On May 24 2013 04:02 Lunares wrote:
Have you thought about moving to Kansas City and trying to utilize google fiber?


This is... not as crazy as it sounds. Were I making a living from streaming content, I'd probably consider the option.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
May 23 2013 19:13 GMT
#103
Been waiting for this write up! :-)

Like to hear that you dont consider it a failure. I myself didnt watch much, simply becouse I dont have 24 hours a day to watch SC2 and I am from EU, so ofcourse when I find time I an more inclined to watch EU competition. However, Id like to give Genna, TB and everyone else involved a cheers for doing this and encouraging local competition across the pond. However TB, if you do this again, please watch your health! we dont need you or Genna getting a heart attack from over-work and stress.

I have a question, however, I noticed that the revenue from the turnament was lower than I thought it would be. Was it lower than You expected?
zachreborn
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2 Posts
May 23 2013 19:18 GMT
#104
On May 24 2013 04:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 03:55 zachreborn wrote:
TB great write up. This likely won't get read or caught by you but you don't need to procure a T3 or pay those costs. I'm a network engineer and depending upon your area and a little research a simple dual residential ISP setup with say a pfSense firewall/router doing load balancing would do the trick. If you'd like to discuss it shoot me a PM.

Thanks so much for the tournament I loved watching it and have some of the VODs I missed queued up for this weekend.


Yeah I thought about bonding, I did that in the UK, but the only ISP That does 5 up in this area is TWC who suck so even if I bound 2 DSL lines together, teh speed would be too awful to be useful


I'm unsure of where you are located but I think I recall NC somewhere. Must be out a bit from some suburbs to not even have comcast or verizon as a viable option? How about 4G coverage? Even a load balanced 4G plan with your TWC could be useful. Obviously the round trip delay would make playing games harder but casting shouldn't cause issue.

I'm unsure how far in you've looked but I have customers down in Raleigh which I could speak with to see what is available if I'm remember correct anyhow and you are in fact based out of NC.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 23 2013 19:21 GMT
#105
On May 24 2013 04:18 zachreborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 04:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 24 2013 03:55 zachreborn wrote:
TB great write up. This likely won't get read or caught by you but you don't need to procure a T3 or pay those costs. I'm a network engineer and depending upon your area and a little research a simple dual residential ISP setup with say a pfSense firewall/router doing load balancing would do the trick. If you'd like to discuss it shoot me a PM.

Thanks so much for the tournament I loved watching it and have some of the VODs I missed queued up for this weekend.


Yeah I thought about bonding, I did that in the UK, but the only ISP That does 5 up in this area is TWC who suck so even if I bound 2 DSL lines together, teh speed would be too awful to be useful


I'm unsure of where you are located but I think I recall NC somewhere. Must be out a bit from some suburbs to not even have comcast or verizon as a viable option? How about 4G coverage? Even a load balanced 4G plan with your TWC could be useful. Obviously the round trip delay would make playing games harder but casting shouldn't cause issue.

I'm unsure how far in you've looked but I have customers down in Raleigh which I could speak with to see what is available if I'm remember correct anyhow and you are in fact based out of NC.


I am based outside of Charlotte.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
cheeseheadlogic
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States322 Posts
May 23 2013 19:23 GMT
#106
As a foreign caster for this event it was an absolute pleasure to be a part of such a great event.
The Russian scene loved it and after talking to many viewers they would love a second season of SCA

Everyone can nitpick at little issues here and there but most of the issues were out of TB's/Genna's hands on top of having to work around WCS for the most part(which needs to be reformatted in many aspects).

epik
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 23 2013 19:24 GMT
#107
On May 24 2013 04:11 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 04:02 Lunares wrote:
Have you thought about moving to Kansas City and trying to utilize google fiber?


This is... not as crazy as it sounds. Were I making a living from streaming content, I'd probably consider the option.

When you got a wife and kid it makes it harder to just pick up and move.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Fuell
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands3111 Posts
May 23 2013 19:24 GMT
#108
Keep it up TB! It's all much appreciated what you do for the community!
fOu/Zenith/NEX/WeRRa/SlayerS
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 23 2013 19:24 GMT
#109
Thanks for the clarification TB.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
KingFool
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada428 Posts
May 23 2013 19:25 GMT
#110
5/5, it's nice to be treated as an adult and shown transparency. GL in your future endeavors
Stimin myself on a daily basis
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
May 23 2013 19:25 GMT
#111
TB, my deepest thanks for taking a risk w/ the NA scene and putting up a tournament as well as you could.

Wish you the best and hope to see it happen again!
IcookTacos
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden295 Posts
May 23 2013 19:27 GMT
#112
Great post!
Life | Ryung | Mvp | MarineKing | Jaedong | Bisu | HerO
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
May 23 2013 19:31 GMT
#113
Very clearly and well written TB. Personally I love the tournament during the weekdays, I watched it each afternoon/evening it was on. Also, in reference to the section about how you 'rode the hype wave' personally I thought that Idra casting was incredible! I'd love to see him again, and day9 as always.

Obviously the technical issues will be straightened out, and I really hope there will be another one! what made it really interesting to watch was how players would talk about how they always met each other on the ladder etc and since they know each others play styles so well it adds an extra level of mind games.

5/5 article, 6/5 tournament, and I hope there's another one in the future!
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
sepp0
Profile Joined March 2011
8 Posts
May 23 2013 19:35 GMT
#114
Thanks a lot for the post mortem. Quite interesting to see that only ~25% of the costs are covered through streaming income...

(BTW, because i don't like reading long posts in the forum, I put the post in a [PDF] and formatted it a little bit, maybe someone wants to read it again )
EvilContrarian
Profile Joined March 2012
United States26 Posts
May 23 2013 19:43 GMT
#115
I watch 4-5 hours of ladder streams a day, either directly or as background while doing other things. Shoutcraft NA really pumped up the quality of the ladder viewing experience. Nony made a solid run and had a shot at getting in last day. Vibe put on a move as well. Incontrol and Catz both talked about gunning for a slot, and their extra interest made me extra interested. All of these guys were hitting people above them in the leaderboard, and I was refreshing GM list every morning and evening to track who had moved up or down. The value added from the existence of SCA was amazing, and I hope to see it continue.

The tournament itself was solid. I enjoyed the pregame interviews, and it was awesome seeing the faces of players who were just names on GM list before. Thank you for bringing us this fabulous event Genna and TB!
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 23 2013 19:50 GMT
#116
However. The elephant in the room is WCS schedule. With 16+ hours a day of Starcraft going on and an intense, rushed schedule within the first season, who is to say if it is even feasible to run anything other than weekend-warrior events in future? This is the immovable object we are fighting against and trying our best not to meet head on. Even if we can beat WCS NA in numbers, why would we want to fight them anyway? We certainly don't want to go against WCS EU and when we did run into them we suffered. I don't even know if there is a solution to this, I'm just hoping for a more manageable schedule that does not take over weekends as much as it does or shows that massively over-run that we have to try and dodge.


Why aren't more people hyperventilating about this? Where's Slasher/DJ Wheat or other alleged esports 'journalists' reporting on the potential short term and long term impact of WCS on the rest of the independent tournament scene?

Dang.
Littlesheep
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada217 Posts
May 23 2013 19:51 GMT
#117
I think a tournament with only people from North America, could be great. I'd like to see Shoutcraft America be all the top players from here like Scarlett/goswser/huk/suppy fan favourites like CatZ/minigun and with newer top players and see them battle it out. I don't see why one competition can't region-lock. That means no violet/polt/demuslim despite the fact that they may live in NA, we have MLGs and Dreamhacks to see everyone compete with each other, we should have one to determine who's the best in NA.

Also I think its clear to see that Idra commenting grabbed peoples interest.
pro toez
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
May 23 2013 19:53 GMT
#118
Always with great post tournament wrap ups, thanks for the great event TB.
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 19:56:07
May 23 2013 19:55 GMT
#119
I (think I) agree with 100% of your sentiments, TB.

I do believe expanding the initial round to 32 players and allowing time for other high end (huk, idra, incontrol, catz, etc) NA/SA pros to hit the proper GM rankings will do wonders for the tournament.

The casting lineup for SCA1 was pretty damned good. I do believe this helps viewer numbers (if only slightly). On a related note, I think it's one of the factors that helped SCA1 beat out WCS AM -axeltoss is probably the sole reason I just cannot watch those games.
"He's like a Kakuna with Flamestrike." - Artosis 25.7.2014 \\ "Sometimes you gotta' be manly to get out of the group stage, Reynad." -Artosis 17.10.2014 \\ “There goes your dream of a frivolous lawsuit with a brewing company.” – Tasteless 26.8.2015
Imagine42
Profile Joined July 2012
United States73 Posts
May 23 2013 19:55 GMT
#120
On May 24 2013 04:02 Lunares wrote:
Have you thought about moving to Kansas City and trying to utilize google fiber?
KC isn't exactly a hub for things. However, Google is bringing fiber to Austin, that might be a more suitable location.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 6h 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 237
WinterStarcraft221
RuFF_SC2 219
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 196
NaDa 76
GoRush 44
Icarus 5
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
monkeys_forever369
LuMiX1
League of Legends
C9.Mang0387
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor125
Other Games
tarik_tv6386
summit1g6103
JimRising 554
ViBE152
XaKoH 126
Mew2King47
minikerr16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1442
BasetradeTV78
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki21
• Pr0nogo 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22198
League of Legends
• Stunt469
• Rush226
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6h 8m
Krystianer vs Classic
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs Ryung
ByuN vs Nicoract
OSC
14h 8m
BSL 21
16h 8m
Cross vs Dewalt
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Wardi Open
1d 8h
OSC
2 days
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
OSC
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W2
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.