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SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 23 2013 17:31 GMT
#61
This post deserves credit - very informative. Thank you TB
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
schuss
Profile Joined January 2013
1 Post
May 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#62
Hey, I just want to thank you for running this tourney, as well as all the time and effort you put into the production (the starting smack talk was great). I thoroughly enjoyed it through to the finals.

As far as internet goes - just get somewhere that isn't Time Warner. They're utterly terrible.
Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
May 23 2013 17:36 GMT
#63
I wish there was any way to help to ensure a Season 2. It was a great event and I'd love to see a second. TB let me know if you need any help at all!
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
May 23 2013 17:36 GMT
#64
On May 24 2013 01:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 01:40 Eury wrote:
I'm just curious how you define competitive with WCS EU? I mean they usually have around 40-60k viewers every day across all streams. You really only came close to that the first day.


I don't think you understand what competitive means.

Wow, that's a bit harsh. Maybe you should explain it to him then? Or is there some bad history between the two of you?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 17:38:13
May 23 2013 17:37 GMT
#65
This is great TB. Question, how much work was there when giving the invites to the top 16 ladder that they were all legitimate players? I imagine not too much, but then again WCS NA dropped the ball when players like PhysicsLee took awhile to get kicked out, then players like Hyun who were in WCS Korea but were just knocking out players just to be removed later on. Just interested in hearing your perspective and if something like ladder ranking feeding into WCS is sustainable given Blizzard's (possible) lack of player knowledge.
kolbendk
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark1 Post
May 23 2013 17:38 GMT
#66
Despite all your troubles, it's been refreshing to watch a tournament in this format. The pregame banter made the games much more interesting. Also I can completely acknowledge the need for cheering for your local heroes, although this did not really apply to me in SCA, being a European in Europe. But I experience it in wcs eu. I would love to see more of this.

But I also think you need more help running it. It was really showing that you were stressed out, and despite being watchable, it seemed that it could have been a lot better if you had just a little bit of help with some ad hoc stuff. One can only stretch so far

Also bring IdrA back on in the future, as he was a very positive surprise not knowing him to be casting beforehand. Despite you say that you were exploiting the situation, he really delivered.

TY and I will be a viewer of future shows. (Maybe make a branch in EU .
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 17:42:47
May 23 2013 17:38 GMT
#67
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 23 2013 17:40 GMT
#68
On May 24 2013 02:37 HeavenResign wrote:
This is great TB. Question, how much work was there when giving the invites to the top 16 ladder that they were all legitimate players? I imagine not too much, but then again WCS NA dropped the ball when players like PhysicsLee took awhile to get kicked out, then players like Hyun who were in WCS Korea but were just knocking out players just to be removed later on. Just interested in hearing your perspective and if something like ladder ranking feeding into WCS is sustainable given Blizzard's (possible) lack of player knowledge.


512 man open qualifier vs verifying 16 people. Completely different issues.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 17:43:02
May 23 2013 17:42 GMT
#69
On May 24 2013 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 02:37 HeavenResign wrote:
This is great TB. Question, how much work was there when giving the invites to the top 16 ladder that they were all legitimate players? I imagine not too much, but then again WCS NA dropped the ball when players like PhysicsLee took awhile to get kicked out, then players like Hyun who were in WCS Korea but were just knocking out players just to be removed later on. Just interested in hearing your perspective and if something like ladder ranking feeding into WCS is sustainable given Blizzard's (possible) lack of player knowledge.


512 man open qualifier vs verifying 16 people. Completely different issues.


Yeah I agree, I guess I was asking if you thought ladder ranking (outside of requirements like being masters or having 1200 points in masters), was ever a viable way to seed into WCS based on how this tournament went.
MatsNorway
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway13 Posts
May 23 2013 17:43 GMT
#70
I really like the ambitions that Gienna and TB is having on this. Now that you guys have done it you have the experience to make next event way better. having local series is great and NA does indeed need it.

I also kinda like the idea of using the ladder for qualy, and the report in first post was fenomenal. after reading this i thought.. i wanna quit my job and work on this.

To me this shows great promise for the future. My only worry is that it might not be the best idea to do things out of idealism, at least when it comes to the business side.

And yes. Dreamhack is fenomenal. Best in the biz.. appart from certain pause songs.. "put your ass up in the air" ?? really..

And i really like the recent efforts from many to ensure that casual viewers (like me) gets to see the player in the red corner and with their race and all that.

One thing that would be great now is to position their cams to the side they spawned.

Red player, red on the mini map and has the person camera on the side he/she`s starting on in relation to the mini map.

Only issue then is maps with top or bottom spawn.. I can live with that challenge.

TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 23 2013 17:43 GMT
#71
On May 24 2013 02:42 HeavenResign wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On May 24 2013 02:37 HeavenResign wrote:
This is great TB. Question, how much work was there when giving the invites to the top 16 ladder that they were all legitimate players? I imagine not too much, but then again WCS NA dropped the ball when players like PhysicsLee took awhile to get kicked out, then players like Hyun who were in WCS Korea but were just knocking out players just to be removed later on. Just interested in hearing your perspective and if something like ladder ranking feeding into WCS is sustainable given Blizzard's (possible) lack of player knowledge.


512 man open qualifier vs verifying 16 people. Completely different issues.


Yeah I agree, I guess I was asking if you thought ladder ranking (outside of requirements like being masters or having 1200 points in masters), was ever a viable way to seed into WCS based on how this tournament went.


I think it should be a factor certainly
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
May 23 2013 17:45 GMT
#72
Awesome. Too bad the money earned was barely 16% of the money spent. But I'm sure it can be improved! A somewhat lower prize, better schedule and with a tad of luck it might be a great success! Thanks you, TB.
"Having your own haters means you are famous"
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
May 23 2013 17:48 GMT
#73
You guys are kind of amazing. Thanks TB and Genna. Would be cool if you did another one, understandable if you didn't. Can't even imagine the stress.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
May 23 2013 17:48 GMT
#74
Also I wanted to say, thanks Shoutcraft America for having a great map pool. I think the map pool is better than WCS NA's pool.

Blizzard is getting there in terms of properly managing the ladder pool, hopefully with more co-ordination from tournaments all WCS regions can have the same (great) map pool.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 23 2013 17:50 GMT
#75
Damn I feel like I missed a blast. Looking forward to sca2.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
StillRooney
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden106 Posts
May 23 2013 17:52 GMT
#76
Great job with this tournament TB & everyone else involved. Too bad about the technical difficulties. I also really appreciate the transparency you're showing in this thread. I hope there will be more tournaments like this one that foster local growth!
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
May 23 2013 17:55 GMT
#77
Can we close the other thread and just link responses here?
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
mcleod
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada350 Posts
May 23 2013 17:55 GMT
#78
it was a great concept for a tournament
hope you guys dont give up and continue on with this format
Oukka
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Finland1683 Posts
May 23 2013 17:57 GMT
#79
5/5

Great to see your ideas about the tournament. I personlly tuned in for SHOUTcraft over WCS EU because of exactly the values you guys wanted to promote. Seeing players like HelloKitty, Drunkenboi, State and Kane to compete was really fun to watch, these less known players produced good games and by watching them I felt like I could actually support players who I cannot see anywhere else but who would be a great great addition to international pro-scene.

I can only wish that you and Genna end up continuing this series, or at least something similar. For this tournaments where there are no "guaranteed money finishing Koreans" are of huge importance for supporting these lesser known players both financially and also publicity-wise. Additionally your broadcasting hours were really nice. I understand the critique about broadcasting an American tournament during the working hours in NA, but still your choice allowed following the tournament from Finland (GMT +2), which is no small feat. Usually any NA events are practically dead for me, as the broadcasting hours would mean staying awake basically all night. And what's better than showing these great American platyers to European audience, when we usually would have really hard times getting to see even a glimpse of this boys playing.

Thanks for the tournament!
I play children's card games and watch a lot of dota, CS and HS
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
May 23 2013 17:59 GMT
#80
On May 24 2013 02:55 Crownlol wrote:
Can we close the other thread and just link responses here?


That'd be cool, that thread is obsolete now because the information it was based on was incomplete and old
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
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