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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 21 2013 18:56 GMT
#21
For the love of jesus, make sure you "start" this venture with a part time job atleast. Start with a 3 day a week job and 4 days a week playing MTGO.
Then when you start making money from MTGO, then you can think about quitting your part time job, but don't go into this blind and hoping. Chasing money is bad! Never work in any type of thing like this (Poker/Esports)
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 21 2013 19:44 GMT
#22
On May 22 2013 03:41 Gleen wrote:
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On May 22 2013 03:38 Capped wrote:
What happens when MTGO decides to fix the issue with buying these things in brazil and you can no longer sell them.

Secondary market can't be "fixed". Dealers and stores profit from selling singles... i don't see how that can be stopped, since it would doom the game.


The US has a legit way of buying tickets whenever they like right?

They have no 2ndry market. Or at least not a lucrative one.
Useless wet fish.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
May 21 2013 19:47 GMT
#23
doesnt the value of cards/tickets drop as more and more become available (ie over time)?
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Gleen
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brazil707 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 19:59:52
May 21 2013 19:58 GMT
#24
On May 22 2013 04:44 Capped wrote:
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On May 22 2013 03:41 Gleen wrote:
On May 22 2013 03:38 Capped wrote:
What happens when MTGO decides to fix the issue with buying these things in brazil and you can no longer sell them.

Secondary market can't be "fixed". Dealers and stores profit from selling singles... i don't see how that can be stopped, since it would doom the game.


The US has a legit way of buying tickets whenever they like right?

They have no 2ndry market. Or at least not a lucrative one.

Yeah, but my target is selling for brazilians and other people who don't have an internation card / can't buy from EUA... besides, to US i can sell singles/boosters.

On May 22 2013 04:47 FFGenerations wrote:
doesnt the value of cards/tickets drop as more and more become available (ie over time)?

For cards, depends on the rarity... multiformat staples like Geist of St. Traft don't drop like... EVER. Tickets on US are 1 dollar no matter what, but since in Brazil we have inflation/deflation... the value can float from BRL1.80 up to BRL2.30... more like get the dollar - real rating and subtract some cents to make it fair lol...

Packs on the other hand, tend to enter the market with a low price and then it goes up (a RTR pack now sells for 4 tickets and a DGM one - the more recent set - sells for 2.45 tickets)
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 21 2013 20:19 GMT
#25
My point is if this becomes available to brazilians just like in the US, your scheme goes bust pretty quickly.

Dont get me wrong i wish you all the luck in the world, but if MTGO announce a way for BR to buy tickets tomorrow, your out of a job and a way to live lol.
Useless wet fish.
Gleen
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brazil707 Posts
May 21 2013 20:28 GMT
#26
On May 22 2013 05:19 Capped wrote:
My point is if this becomes available to brazilians just like in the US, your scheme goes bust pretty quickly.

Dont get me wrong i wish you all the luck in the world, but if MTGO announce a way for BR to buy tickets tomorrow, your out of a job and a way to live lol.

Not really, as I said, I can always sell singles cards and boosters, and even so, it's not like wizards will sell tickets for $1 BRL... it's more likely they do it for like $2.50BRL wich I can sell then by $2.10 or even $1.90 and still profit.

Off course it'll be harder but is not like I should insta quit my scheme I understand your point thou.
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Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
May 21 2013 20:54 GMT
#27
This sounds like straight up gambling. Didn't know the scene was like this.
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 21 2013 23:54 GMT
#28
I say go for it
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Thrill
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
2599 Posts
May 22 2013 00:09 GMT
#29
On May 22 2013 03:15 Gleen wrote:
Yeah... but what I'm looking for is to make a living from playing magic... quoted from my previous blog here is what I have to do:

Show nested quote +

Griding on MOL, i can play at least 12 Dailys/ a day. A daily is a tournament with 4 rounds that cost 6 tickets to play (the game coin, 1 ticket = 1 dollar). Players with a record of 4-0 win 11 booster packs and players with a record of 3-1 win 9 packs.

Each pack can be sold for 3.x tickets . Since here in Brazil not so many people has an international credit card to buy tickets, the secondary market is very active. So each ticket can be sold for BRL $2.10 (roughly USD $1).

That said, if I play 12 dailys, and 4-0 50% of them, my daily winnings will be:

cost => 12 * 6 tickets = 72 tickets
earnings => (6 * 11 packs) = 66 packs * 3 tickets each = 198 tickets
profit => 198 - 72 = 126 tickets (=~$126 USD) * $2.10 BRL =~ $264,60 BRL a day

That is, excluding possibles 3-1 records.


Roughly how many days have you been able to successfully pull this? Just curious.

Props for taking a leap of faith!
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 02:12:53
May 22 2013 02:02 GMT
#30
If you have enough bank and know you can secure a job quite easily as a backup I see nothing wrong with going all in.

I mean there's really no point trying to become a professional and having to work if you are going to have to beat professionals who play full time.

That said, I have no clue about your current skill level. Most pros were extremely talented before they went pro, not after, so make sure you really believe you can make it. (I'm talking in general, don't know a lot about the MtG scene)

Let's say you decide to not go ahead with it though. When you get old, you may end up always thinking "what if" in the back of your mind. At least if you fail, you have it out of your system.

I guess its all about balance, there is a very high likelyhood of going broke and losing a lot of money in any of these endeavours. I know when I started poker (a lot more risky than MtG though I guess) I ended up +money, but as I got more and more into it I actually ended up being down $2k after 2 years because I lost focus from playing so many hours and would waste money trying things. Problem was my winnings were very good in the first 1 or 2 hours so I thought I could invest more into it, but I realised I would burn all those winnings within the following hours from losing concentration and then variance would finish off my bankroll.

When doing your calculations, you should keep note that your winrate will not stay constant the more you play. Its not like if you win 2 games in 1 hour, you will win 4 games in 2 hours. Your winrate will always dwindle the longer you play.

Just make sure you set yourself a limit to know when to pull the plug and not destroy your life.
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kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
May 22 2013 02:38 GMT
#31
Good luck.
I have a brother that, while having a full-time job, still does some magic.
He was in the top 30 in the pro-tour in quecbec, but wasn't lucky and finished only 9-7 in san diego last week-end.
As long as you think you can go back to a regular job after, I don't think it hurts too much to chase your dreams, but I feels magic is a bit too volatile to "go pro" without result beforehands. I feel myself as a decent player, but I just don't manage to post the same result as my brother, that manage to consistently post absurd results in limited formats.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 22 2013 04:17 GMT
#32
No talk about why you resigned
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
May 22 2013 05:50 GMT
#33
I'm also curious as to what was so bad about your job that made you quit for this
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
May 22 2013 07:11 GMT
#34
On May 22 2013 13:17 obesechicken13 wrote:
No talk about why you resigned


Check his last blog. He resigned to do this, go pro at MTGO.
Useless wet fish.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
May 22 2013 08:09 GMT
#35
I'd say 90% of the MTG scene is just about having the right cards and the know on the current meta of deckbuilding. In other words, have the money and have the knowledge. The majority of the players I have seen in tournaments weren't very good as far as skill and thinking ahead etc.
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Gleen
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brazil707 Posts
May 22 2013 10:59 GMT
#36
On May 22 2013 13:17 obesechicken13 wrote:
No talk about why you resigned

Oh, sorry... both my last blogs deal with my job and my life... I hate my job but I can't quit and I'll chase my dreams!?

I was tired from my work, so I decided for a change... I always loved working with games, but I loved even more playing them. I really love playing Magic and I'm good at it. In fact, as I said before, here in my country I'm pretty sure i only lose to people who spend all they time playing (pros or wanna be pros).

On May 22 2013 17:09 MarlieChurphy wrote:
I'd say 90% of the MTG scene is just about having the right cards and the know on the current meta of deckbuilding. In other words, have the money and have the knowledge. The majority of the players I have seen in tournaments weren't very good as far as skill and thinking ahead etc.


Yeah, the big part of being a good player is knowing what deck to play, how to play with it and know all its matchups. This come with pratice... lots and lots of pratice. I wasn't able to put enough pratice into magic while working in my previous job... i was constantly stressed and couldn't focus on playing. In a tournament, you can always just outplay your oponents if you're decent... but to make Top 8s and win the whole thing... is another thing.

On May 22 2013 11:02 sluggaslamoo wrote:
If you have enough bank and know you can secure a job quite easily as a backup I see nothing wrong with going all in.

I mean there's really no point trying to become a professional and having to work if you are going to have to beat professionals who play full time.

That said, I have no clue about your current skill level. Most pros were extremely talented before they went pro, not after, so make sure you really believe you can make it. (I'm talking in general, don't know a lot about the MtG scene)

Let's say you decide to not go ahead with it though. When you get old, you may end up always thinking "what if" in the back of your mind. At least if you fail, you have it out of your system.

I guess its all about balance, there is a very high likelyhood of going broke and losing a lot of money in any of these endeavours. I know when I started poker (a lot more risky than MtG though I guess) I ended up +money, but as I got more and more into it I actually ended up being down $2k after 2 years because I lost focus from playing so many hours and would waste money trying things. Problem was my winnings were very good in the first 1 or 2 hours so I thought I could invest more into it, but I realised I would burn all those winnings within the following hours from losing concentration and then variance would finish off my bankroll.

When doing your calculations, you should keep note that your winrate will not stay constant the more you play. Its not like if you win 2 games in 1 hour, you will win 4 games in 2 hours. Your winrate will always dwindle the longer you play.

Just make sure you set yourself a limit to know when to pull the plug and not destroy your life.


Indeed. In fact, I used to play poker... made around US$600 each month, but as i started to go up in levels the competition got fierce and i realized i would go broke easily...lol

In my calculations I assume that I'll be able to at least win 4 dailys a day, but of course if I start by losing the two first I play... is just better to give up on that day.
I'm nowhere near good, but I still have fun playing with my probes
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 23 2013 01:52 GMT
#37
On May 22 2013 19:59 Gleen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 13:17 obesechicken13 wrote:
No talk about why you resigned

Oh, sorry... both my last blogs deal with my job and my life... I hate my job but I can't quit and I'll chase my dreams!?

I was tired from my work, so I decided for a change... I always loved working with games, but I loved even more playing them. I really love playing Magic and I'm good at it. In fact, as I said before, here in my country I'm pretty sure i only lose to people who spend all they time playing (pros or wanna be pros).

Oh lol. I've read both those blogs already. That may sound weird. I read lots of blogs.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 06:03:06
May 23 2013 05:55 GMT
#38
On May 22 2013 19:59 Gleen wrote:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 17:09 MarlieChurphy wrote:
I'd say 90% of the MTG scene is just about having the right cards and the know on the current meta of deckbuilding. In other words, have the money and have the knowledge. The majority of the players I have seen in tournaments weren't very good as far as skill and thinking ahead etc.


Yeah, the big part of being a good player is knowing what deck to play, how to play with it and know all its matchups. This come with pratice... lots and lots of pratice. I wasn't able to put enough pratice into magic while working in my previous job... i was constantly stressed and couldn't focus on playing. In a tournament, you can always just outplay your oponents if you're decent... but to make Top 8s and win the whole thing... is another thing.


Just like poker, or anything that involves some percentage of luck, namely games that use it as a large part of the core of the game (drawing from a shuffle or rolling a dice), a lot of luck comes into factor as well. Not only from the cards you draw, but also from the tournament bracket. Some decks are built specifically to beat other decks, if you can manage to avoid those, that will also increase your luck.

Every single poker pro who has ever won a really big tournament always credits luck right off the bat or in the top 3. If there wasn't any luck involved you would always see the top players making final tables or top 10 every time. The same can even apply to less luck based games like starcraft. Some player may just be able to beat a certain player; even though the player they can easily beat, can easily beat everyone else who can easily beat that guy. Or someone may have a bad matchup and just avoid it through an entire tournament or vise versa. And there is also some luck inside each game as well, positional advantages, random chances with scout [mis]information, misclick or something of that sort.

I'm sure you already know all of this, I'm just stressing the point that if you don't succeed, don't beat yourself up about it. Give it a good 6 months to a year of hardcore playing and then rethink it all.

PS- I think my friend still plays drafts and stuff MTGO, I think his name is money_marmer or something like that. He's pretty good. Last time we played a real live tourney he got 2nd for a DCM? or whatever its called qualifier to win all expense paid trip to the national quals. (he only lost because he forgot to poke the guy once or twice).
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 23 2013 14:04 GMT
#39
I resigned from my job yesterday. Not for an esport or anything, just to go to another full time job. But, it still felt liberating. To just be able to say "I'm out of here" is a great feeling lol.
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