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On September 23 2013 00:10 Gonozal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:04 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:51 SilentchiLL wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? We would laugh at him if he wouldn't be important to us as well, therefore we are just as sad as the frenchies are about him. On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:
i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Sarkozy worked better with merkel so most german probably would prefer him just for that, if not for innerpolitical reasons in france (of course he disagreed with her before an election or something like that to show his people that he's a strong man and so on, but all in all I think he was a lot easier to work with for merkel, which is probably why she supported his re-election too (even though she failed)). On September 22 2013 23:47 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed. Pretty sure those people exist in every country, so it can't have been such a suprise to most people. It was a surprise because usually in France, homophobic people are ashamed to admit they are in public. Well organized demonstration were not expected. How can Sarkozy can be perceived as a better partner than Hollande? Hollande made Ayrault, a germanophile and german speaker as his prime minister because he firmly believes that Germany is France most important partner. There is a strong resistance towards euro bonds. There are always talks here, that france want to have euro bonds. And the conclusion is, that france wants, that germany carries the debts of southern europe. Furthermore the french nationalism is always seen critical in germany (but i guess this topic is worth a own thread).
Okay but, how is Hollande related to that French nationalism you are talking about? Also, Hollande is no more pro euro bond than sarkozy is
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france in general is often viewed in this context. There is not a lot of distinctions between hollande and sarkozy (regarding nationalism).
Military parades, french language (and the refusal to speak english) and all this "grande nation" stuff is one of the main things i hear about france. There is always a bit a scepticism towards France in Germany.
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On September 23 2013 00:04 aXa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:51 SilentchiLL wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? We would laugh at him if he wouldn't be important to us as well, therefore we are just as sad as the frenchies are about him. On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:
i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Sarkozy worked better with merkel so most german probably would prefer him just for that, if not for innerpolitical reasons in france (of course he disagreed with her before an election or something like that to show his people that he's a strong man and so on, but all in all I think he was a lot easier to work with for merkel, which is probably why she supported his re-election too (even though she failed)). On September 22 2013 23:47 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed. Pretty sure those people exist in every country, so it can't have been such a suprise to most people. It was a surprise because usually in France, homophobic people are ashamed to admit they are in public. Well organized demonstration were not expected. How can Sarkozy can be perceived as a better partner than Hollande? Hollande made Ayrault, a germanophile and german speaker as his prime minister because he firmly believes that Germany is France most important partner.
Why are you even bringing this up? I was asking German people their opinions on the current French president. Gay people getting the right to marry is nice and dandy (no really, it's good that their marriage is now legal), unfortunately such an issue is ridiculously irrelevant compared to the incredible incompetence that Hollande is showing in important issues. The socialists seem to be better at berating the former government rather than fixing anything.
I don't want to go too far off topic at all so I'm going to stop here, in fact please don't even start a discussion. I just wanted German people to give their opinion on our current French president as a way to pass time until we get the results of Germany's election. I'm interested in this question and this thread is an OK thread to do so since we're not too far off topic and I don't think the question deserves its own thread. So please, just please, don't go on silly tangents about gay rights and shit.
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On September 23 2013 00:26 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:04 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:51 SilentchiLL wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? We would laugh at him if he wouldn't be important to us as well, therefore we are just as sad as the frenchies are about him. On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:
i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Sarkozy worked better with merkel so most german probably would prefer him just for that, if not for innerpolitical reasons in france (of course he disagreed with her before an election or something like that to show his people that he's a strong man and so on, but all in all I think he was a lot easier to work with for merkel, which is probably why she supported his re-election too (even though she failed)). On September 22 2013 23:47 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed. Pretty sure those people exist in every country, so it can't have been such a suprise to most people. It was a surprise because usually in France, homophobic people are ashamed to admit they are in public. Well organized demonstration were not expected. How can Sarkozy can be perceived as a better partner than Hollande? Hollande made Ayrault, a germanophile and german speaker as his prime minister because he firmly believes that Germany is France most important partner. Why are you even bringing this up? I was asking German people their opinions on the current French president. Gay people getting the right to marry is nice and dandy (no really, it's good that their marriage is now legal), unfortunately such an issue is ridiculously irrelevant compared to the incredible incompetence that Hollande is showing in important issues. The socialists seem to be better at berating the former government rather than fixing anything. I don't want to go too far off topic at all so I'm going to stop here, in fact please don't even start a discussion. I just wanted German people to give their opinion on our current French president as a way to pass time until we get the results of Germany's election. I'm interested in this question and this thread is an OK thread to do so since we're not too far off topic and I don't think the question deserves its own thread. So please, just please, don't go on silly tangents about gay rights and shit.
In my experience what German people think about Holande: They don´t care.
Most of the topics discussed in Germany and German media are either Germany "only" related, € crisis related (still with very german centric point of view) or far away like syria.
It feels like that germany is a bit disenchanted on foreign politicians. A couple of years ago a loot of people looked at other countries and thought that there the politians are "better". But now we see people like Hollande which kind a lied in his election or Putin with the anti gay laws. Not even thinking on "yes finally a good guy" Obama which could be a ideal for politicans worldwide but decided it would be better to keep bombing.
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On September 23 2013 00:16 Gonozal wrote:
france in general is often viewed in this context. There is not a lot of distinctions between hollande and sarkozy (regarding nationalism).
Military parades, french language (and the refusal to speak english) and all this "grande nation" stuff is one of the main things i hear about france. There is always a bit a scepticism towards France in Germany.
Well I can easily understand why we are perceived that way. French people mostly forget that we are and always were a militaristic nation, and sometimes even our ridiculous defense budget or even 14 july doesn't ring any bell.
And of course we perceive ourself in a very different manner, at least the younger generation.
Nationalism or even patriotism are not words we would describe ourself with. They are too strongly tied with FN, our far right party. Culture, social and economical issues are whats most important to us.
Our culture make us look like jerk to other nation. Truth is, we are easily offendable and not very flexible when it comes to our cultural habits, so yeah it's hard to not pass as total assholes.
But I really don't think we try to force our views to other nation, or feel superior in any manner but cuisine. Our refusal to speak english comes mainly from the fact that our schools sucks at teaching languages.
Anyway, i'd say that well educated young people highly regard germany right now. We admire the fact you have a model that works a bit better than ours when it comes to growth, and the infinite volume of German products that are available in France made us appreciate Deutsche Qualität. As someone who grew up in Alsace, learned german, had austauschpartner and went to germany numerous time, my point of view is obviously a bit biased.
I believe Europe is the most important thing in our future, even if it is flawed right now. I wish France and Germany had similiar views on the way to go about Europe, because it won't happen without one or the other.
Why are you even bringing this up? I was asking German people their opinions on the current French president. Gay people getting the right to marry is nice and dandy (no really, it's good that their marriage is now legal), unfortunately such an issue is ridiculously irrelevant compared to the incredible incompetence that Hollande is showing in important issues. The socialists seem to be better at berating the former government rather than fixing anything.
I don't want to go too far off topic at all so I'm going to stop here, in fact please don't even start a discussion. I just wanted German people to give their opinion on our current French president as a way to pass time until we get the results of Germany's election. I'm interested in this question and this thread is an OK thread to do so since we're not too far off topic and I don't think the question deserves its own thread. So please, just please, don't go on silly tangents about gay rights and shit.
I bring up what I want, and in case you didn't notice, I wasn't even talking or responding to you. I don't want to engage any conversation with you, because the first post I read from you was packed with insults. Guess what? You can express the fact you don't like hollande without cursing. I'd rather go off topic than to be disrespectful.
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On September 23 2013 00:26 Incognoto wrote:
don't want to go too far off topic at all so I'm going to stop here, in fact please don't even start a discussion. I just wanted German people to give their opinion on our current French president as a way to pass time until we get the results of Germany's election.
Well i personally don't like him very much, mostly because of the slight 'Europe's not going to get ruled by Germany' stuff that came out of his party, and sometimes from himself. France seems to be struggling a little bit more with the European crisis than we did, so things like this during election are just natural, but i still didn't like it very much. As someone said before he seems quite nationalistic.
What i do like are his/his parties political positions in principal, but sadly it doesn't look like he gets to much done.
On September 23 2013 00:38 aXa wrote:
Anyway, i'd say that well educated young people highly regard germany right now.
I think that is in general pretty , troo. In our generation there isn't much hate at all and most people are connected enough to not dig up old resentments. I frequently here people talking about the French-German relations are 'cooling down' , but that's probably only true on a diplomatic level. The people are getting along just fine.
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On September 23 2013 00:04 aXa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:51 SilentchiLL wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? We would laugh at him if he wouldn't be important to us as well, therefore we are just as sad as the frenchies are about him. On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:
i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Sarkozy worked better with merkel so most german probably would prefer him just for that, if not for innerpolitical reasons in france (of course he disagreed with her before an election or something like that to show his people that he's a strong man and so on, but all in all I think he was a lot easier to work with for merkel, which is probably why she supported his re-election too (even though she failed)). On September 22 2013 23:47 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed. Pretty sure those people exist in every country, so it can't have been such a suprise to most people. It was a surprise because usually in France, homophobic people are ashamed to admit they are in public. Well organized demonstration were not expected. How can Sarkozy can be perceived as a better partner than Hollande? Hollande made Ayrault, a germanophile and german speaker as his prime minister because he firmly believes that Germany is France most important partner.
Of course he believes that, because it's obvious and those surely are some nice gestures, but for merkel he's still a more troublesome guy to deal with than sarkozy.
Sarkozy may have made a bigger deal out of disagreeing with merkel to get the sympathies of his people, but he actually found a consent and agreed with her more easily than holland does.
On September 23 2013 00:07 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:40 Yoshi- wrote:
The prediction at 18 cest has always been pretty close to the real one, nothing relevant will change in the 5 hours after that.
The difference between the real result and the prediction is normally somewhere below 1 percent point It could get very interesting today, should the last minute polls be even remotely close to the actual result. If F.D.P. and maybe AFD are as close to the 5% hurdle as they seem to be, then every minute variation might make a big difference. If of course the exit polls at 6pm indicate something like 6%+ for FDP and 4%- for AFD, then yes, no surprise should be expected. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:27 zatic wrote:On September 22 2013 21:10 MoltkeWarding wrote:...or maybe we have a history with the right wing in which we learnt that its totalitarian demeanor and national egoism leads only to destruction and damages a society. Why is it that whenever I write a stereotype about the Germans, some German always tries argues the point by incarnating that very stereotype?  My life on this web site ... Holy moly, if any opinion disagreeing with you is discredited as "stereotype", why even bother opening a topic for discussion. Don't be so full of yourselves, please.
Jesus christ dude, relax, with your amount of posts you should know by now that he's not being serious or bitter about it, what the fuck?
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On September 22 2013 17:00 75 wrote:I know this is a kinda dumb poll because of different reasons but im just curious. Poll: Did you / Are you going to vote?Yes (97) 92% No. Don't want to. (5) 5% No. Not able to do and forgot about postal voting. (2) 2% I'm too young. (2) 2% 106 total votes Your vote: Did you / Are you going to vote? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No. Don't want to.
(Vote): No. Not able to do and forgot about postal voting.
(Vote): I'm too young.
im actually quite surprised with the outcome.
thought there are more people who didnt go to the election and are reading this thread.
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just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. 
really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too.
changes are really needed.
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On September 23 2013 00:55 Epx wrote:just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too. changes are really needed.
so you voted the AfD?
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On September 23 2013 00:57 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:55 Epx wrote:just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too. changes are really needed. so you voted the AfD?
nope
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On September 23 2013 00:57 Epx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:57 75 wrote:On September 23 2013 00:55 Epx wrote:just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too. changes are really needed. so you voted the AfD? nope
bbbut you said that changes are needed.
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wow, this prognosis is a grand coalition
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On September 23 2013 00:55 Epx wrote:just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too. changes are really needed.
When Merkel finally becomes Chancellor there will be the changes you hope for. Or something.
And please tell me who the voteable party is. Because I was staring at that piece of paper today and didn't know what the fuck I was even doing voting.
edit: hahaha FDP 4,7% ? pleaaaaaaase
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I hope die PARTEI can prove the polls wrong and get some seats in the parliament, they have to rebuild the Berlin Wall!
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On September 23 2013 01:02 Dyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:55 Epx wrote:just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too. changes are really needed. When Merkel finally becomes Chancellor there will be the changes you hope for. Or something. And please tell me who the voteable party is. Because I was staring at that piece of paper today and didn't know what the fuck I was even doing voting. edit: hahaha FDP 4,7% ? pleaaaaaaase
4,5% :D
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On September 23 2013 01:02 Dyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:55 Epx wrote:just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too. changes are really needed. When Merkel finally becomes Chancellor there will be the changes you hope for. Or something. And please tell me who the voteable party is. Because I was staring at that piece of paper today and didn't know what the fuck I was even doing voting. edit: hahaha FDP 4,7% ? pleaaaaaaase
So, what's wrong with Merkel and her policies? I'm curious. It's not like I know what's right either because I know very little of German politics overall? ;o
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On September 23 2013 01:02 Dyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 00:55 Epx wrote:just came home from voting the only voteable party in my opinion. really excited now to see the final results, that's the first time i'm really interested in our election too. changes are really needed. When Merkel finally becomes Chancellor there will be the changes you hope for. Or something. And please tell me who the voteable party is. Because I was staring at that piece of paper today and didn't know what the fuck I was even doing voting. edit: hahaha FDP 4,7% ? pleaaaaaaase
Since he said "only voteable" I bet that it is either Linke or AFD, only these voters would actually believe such a bullshit
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CDU with almost absolute majority, crazy...
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EPT
