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On September 22 2013 21:58 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:47 Maxhster wrote: i cant wrap my mind around the fact that educated people vote for the AfD.... might as well be voting for the NPD, since the AfD attracts a lot of frustrated NPD politicians.
but seems like being anti-everything is something very popular these days. Not coming up with solutions but rather hating everything and wanting to convert back to the middle ages seems appealing to some? weird. They aren't really educated: http://afdwaehlerstellensichvor.tumblr.com/
The admin comments are not really better than the facebook postings though... But I would vote Hitler over Stalin anyway so I might be biased.
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On September 22 2013 22:46 Yoshi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:30 Caladan wrote:
I will never understand, how anyone can vote CDU/Union after the recent NSA scandals and how Merkel is doing nothing against it... Because contrary to the believes of some people, the entire nsa scandal is pretty much irrelevant and most people simply doesn't care because it really isn't anything to care about
Yeah, it's like in old Rome... all you need to give your citizens to shut up, is Food and Games, Food and Games... Liberty and self-determination - who cares? Dumb people. -_-
On September 22 2013 22:41 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:30 Caladan wrote: I will never understand, how anyone can vote CDU/Union after the recent NSA scandals and how Merkel is doing nothing against it... Hello, unknown brother.
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On September 22 2013 23:20 Caladan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:46 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2013 22:30 Caladan wrote:
I will never understand, how anyone can vote CDU/Union after the recent NSA scandals and how Merkel is doing nothing against it... Because contrary to the believes of some people, the entire nsa scandal is pretty much irrelevant and most people simply doesn't care because it really isn't anything to care about Yeah, it's like in old Rome... all you need to give your citizens to shut up, is Food and Games, Food and Games... Liberty and self-determination - who cares? Dumb people. -_- Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 22:41 SixStrings wrote:On September 22 2013 22:30 Caladan wrote: I will never understand, how anyone can vote CDU/Union after the recent NSA scandals and how Merkel is doing nothing against it... Hello, unknown brother.
Meh, I doubt that Steinbrück would have done anything more than Merkel right now, and for the most people it's only a choice between CDU/FDP and SPD/Grüne. The only ones who are crying out loud about this topic is the pirate party, which shouldn't be a surprise.
edit: for clarification, I am only talking about Merkel, not that idiot Friedrich.
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On September 22 2013 21:10 MoltkeWarding wrote:Show nested quote +...or maybe we have a history with the right wing in which we learnt that its totalitarian demeanor and national egoism leads only to destruction and damages a society. Why is it that whenever I write a stereotype about the Germans, some German always tries argues the point by incarnating that very stereotype? My life on this web site ...
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So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment?
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The stuff published at 18 CEST are just the first predictions of some institutes based on inquiries
The real result will be published late in the night (23 CEST or something). But sooner or later the extrapolations of the known votes will be more or less converged to the real result (most likely at 20 CEST or so..).
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On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment?
i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy.
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The prediction at 18 cest has always been pretty close to the real one, nothing relevant will change in the 5 hours after that. The difference between the real result and the prediction is normally somewhere below 1 percent point
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On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy.
Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed.
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On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote: So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment?
We would laugh at him if he wouldn't be important to us as well, therefore we are just as sad as the frenchies are about him.
On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote: i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy.
Sarkozy worked better with merkel so most german probably would prefer him just for that, if not for innerpolitical reasons in france (of course he disagreed with her before an election or something like that to show his people that he's a strong man and so on, but all in all I think he was a lot easier to work with for merkel, which is probably why she supported his re-election too (even though she failed)).
On September 22 2013 23:47 aXa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed.
Pretty sure those people exist in every country, so it can't have been such a suprise to most people.
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On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy.
Yeah, I'm surprised about that as well, I always assumed most French males were at least bi-sexual and that straight people were a rather small minority in France.
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On September 22 2013 23:58 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Yeah, I'm surprised about that as well, I always assumed most French males were at least bi-sexual and that straight people were a rather small minority in France.
Uhm.. O.o
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On September 22 2013 21:06 Serinox wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:03 Yoshi- wrote:On September 22 2013 20:11 MapleLeafSirup wrote:the opponents of the afd like to claim that they would be right that is common fashion in germany, the words "right" and "nazi" are thrown around all the time, i am tired of that. especially for the left-party (die linke) - whoever does not share their opinion is automatically a nazi (thats exaggerated of course but i think you get what i meant) On September 22 2013 19:54 Mataza wrote:On September 22 2013 19:28 PraefektMotus wrote: So, just voted AfD. Time to shake things up a little bit. You just want to watch the world burn. Be honest. Reintroducing the mark, stopping many obligations we have with the EU. No one can tell where that will lead. "reintroducing the mark" sorry but this is plain wrong. it is a shame that many people are so uninformed. the afd sees this as the worst case scenario. they do want to keep the EURO, just not the way it is now. Oh yea instead of going back to the old currency that only germany uses, they want to kick out everyother country from the euro, so that only germany got the Euro, that such a difference Well, technically the Netherlands and Finland are also wealthy enough to keep the Euro, so we'll just make a currency union with those two countrys and all will be fine
Netherlands and Finland are NOT wealthy enough to keep they euro, not with Germany in it. The effects have already been near catastrophic for both countries and are getting worse fast. A vote for AfD is a vote for a better Europe without this disaster that they call euro.
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On September 22 2013 21:30 MoltkeWarding wrote: Hey, ACrow, did you know that Germany had a history prior to 1933, that in the 19th century "national egoism" was mostly propagated by the left and that the forces of peace in Germany were largely those of the authoritarian right? True story.
this is actually wrong. The First International was already founded in the 19th century and the most important parts of the basis in socialist/communist theory was talking about the international working class. "forces of peace" were right wing? Never heard about this. I'm wondering about the period u are talking about? Maybe WW1 consent by social democrats? Yes, that happened but the leading forces were right-wing. Are you talking about the revolution in 1848? This was definitely not really carried by conservative/monarchistic powers, but it was rather about unification than "national egoism". Problem is a real working class as the left power we are talking about here, wasnt really existing yet. The time afterwards was dominated by aggrressive Prussian expansion and German unification, fueled by Bismarck and Prussian monarchy. The last years were not really about national egoism but about internal power struggle with the awaking working class/social democratic party. The next change in foreign policy came with nationalistic powers under Wilhelm II. trying to cut their piece of colonies out of the world. Still no left wing...
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On September 22 2013 23:51 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote: So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? We would laugh at him if he wouldn't be important to us as well, therefore we are just as sad as the frenchies are about him. Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote: i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Sarkozy worked better with merkel so most german probably would prefer him just for that, if not for innerpolitical reasons in france (of course he disagreed with her before an election or something like that to show his people that he's a strong man and so on, but all in all I think he was a lot easier to work with for merkel, which is probably why she supported his re-election too (even though she failed)). Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:47 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed. Pretty sure those people exist in every country, so it can't have been such a suprise to most people.
It was a surprise because usually in France, homophobic people are ashamed to admit they are in public. Well organized demonstration were not expected.
How can Sarkozy can be perceived as a better partner than Hollande? Hollande made Ayrault, a germanophile and german speaker as his prime minister because he firmly believes that Germany is France most important partner.
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On September 22 2013 23:58 SixStrings wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Yeah, I'm surprised about that as well, I always assumed most French males were at least bi-sexual and that straight people were a rather small minority in France.
What in the actual fuck.... ahahahaha
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he is being sarcastic, i guess he doesnt understand that sarcasm doesnt go well with online forums.
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On September 22 2013 23:40 Yoshi- wrote: The prediction at 18 cest has always been pretty close to the real one, nothing relevant will change in the 5 hours after that. The difference between the real result and the prediction is normally somewhere below 1 percent point It could get very interesting today, should the last minute polls be even remotely close to the actual result. If F.D.P. and maybe AFD are as close to the 5% hurdle as they seem to be, then every minute variation might make a big difference. If of course the exit polls at 6pm indicate something like 6%+ for FDP and 4%- for AFD, then yes, no surprise should be expected.
On September 22 2013 23:27 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 21:10 MoltkeWarding wrote:...or maybe we have a history with the right wing in which we learnt that its totalitarian demeanor and national egoism leads only to destruction and damages a society. Why is it that whenever I write a stereotype about the Germans, some German always tries argues the point by incarnating that very stereotype? My life on this web site ... Holy moly, if any opinion disagreeing with you is discredited as "stereotype", why even bother opening a topic for discussion. Don't be so full of yourselves, please.
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On September 23 2013 00:04 aXa wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 23:51 SilentchiLL wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote: So when is Merkel going to get re-elected? At what time will she be able to confirm that she won't have to move anything out of her office?
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? We would laugh at him if he wouldn't be important to us as well, therefore we are just as sad as the frenchies are about him. On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote: i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Sarkozy worked better with merkel so most german probably would prefer him just for that, if not for innerpolitical reasons in france (of course he disagreed with her before an election or something like that to show his people that he's a strong man and so on, but all in all I think he was a lot easier to work with for merkel, which is probably why she supported his re-election too (even though she failed)). On September 22 2013 23:47 aXa wrote:On September 22 2013 23:40 Maxhster wrote:On September 22 2013 23:30 Incognoto wrote:
Edit: Hey Zatic, here's a funny question. What does Germany think of the fat piece of lard we have for a president at the moment? i guess most germans think that there was only a way up from Sarkozy? Sarkozy was perceived as being similar to Berlusconi you know. But what really intrigues me is the blatant homophobia in france, never knew you frenchies were so full of hypocrisy. Please, don't mistake all of us for homophobic people because some loud people made a fuss about gay marriage. Most people in France are proud this law was finally passed. Pretty sure those people exist in every country, so it can't have been such a suprise to most people. It was a surprise because usually in France, homophobic people are ashamed to admit they are in public. Well organized demonstration were not expected. How can Sarkozy can be perceived as a better partner than Hollande? Hollande made Ayrault, a germanophile and german speaker as his prime minister because he firmly believes that Germany is France most important partner.
There is a strong resistance towards euro bonds. There are always talks here, that france want to have euro bonds. And the conclusion is, that france wants, that germany carries the debts of southern europe. Furthermore the french nationalism is always seen critical in germany (but i guess this topic is worth a own thread).
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