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MountainDewJunkie
United States10340 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:48 Nimitz.no wrote: I am an old 42 year IT consultant with my own company and 5 employees, besides the point tho. Wow so impressive, and believable, AND relevant | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
On January 14 2013 01:20 skeldark wrote: Why there are people who want everyone to love what they love and cant handle critic? This is why: They are insecure and can not deal with different opinions. When you say other people what to say, you will stay in your closed mindset and hurt the one you love. Yourself! Not the random rant are the problem of the community. The naive people who dont care for gaming and just want to be a part of something big (e-sport) is the problem! No, it's because literally nothing can make these people happy. A foreigner wins against a Korean? Well, if it's online, then it's obviously because of cross-server lag. If it's offline, then the Korean is obviously jetlagged. Blizzard nerfing Infestors? Not enough. Blizzard making huge strides with HOTS? They've obviously fucked balance. At least, that's what all of the armchair "We're not even in the Beta but we know more about balance than Blizzard" balance whiners say. Tournaments make 100,000 views? LoL got 500,000. Tournament has a $30,000 first place prize? It should be $50,000. Cynics have set themselves into the community and have pervaded it like a cancer. We say we're better than the LoL, fighting game, FPS, and Dota communities...but how? Our manner? Really? That was a self-fulfilling prophecy that people like Day[9] perpetuated because they never actually read the forums and went off of the few nice things people did for others/for them. I guarantee you that for every dumbshit thing said on the LoL forums we have an equally shitty thing said on TL or Reddit. It's this idea that our game is the best and our community is the best, so we're the kings of the world that's the problem. Because when people realize that we're not, that we're just like every other community in the history of the gaming community, they blame everyone but themselves. They blame Blizzard, the teams, literally everyone but themselves. You know what might have hurt the expansion of SC2 and further investment? How about both the shitty Infestor balance AND community pitchforking? How about the normal decline in viewership (that isn't nearly as drastic as people say/said it was) is because people naturally went on to watch other games, as opposed to it's all Blizzard's fault? But no. It's Blizzard's fault. Or it's EG's fault. Or it's KESPA's, GOM's, or MLG's fault. Anyone but our own. And that's the true message I think the OP is trying to convey here. The "blame" might just be more than one person's. Like, you know, how everything else in the world works. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
the issue is sc2 itself. there are long time followers of the game, hence the craziest hype of any game for sc2, the sequel to a video game that has created the most popular and lucrative esports league in the world. then it turns out the game is a bit far off from the good aspects of the original, so the community has tried making changes for the better, FRB, sc2bw, endless threads on game design, unit deisgn, game balance, features, etc. so did blizzard/sc2 listen to the community? no (or very, very slow at it), they're just doing things the way want to. so its only natural many people will wonder "why???" | ||
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Wow so impressive, and believable, AND relevant Hehe If you see what i comment and quote it is quite relevant, not in the discussion itself but as to the statement he made. Doesn't matter tho as it ain't about me. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:36 NKexquisite wrote: Less interesting players are streaming to be honest... That is also valid. If it is not a member of EG or a fun member of TL, I don't really watch streams. Viewship will shoot up again when HotS hits. Or if there are new maps, because I think we have all seen every possible game on the current map set. | ||
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:51 Mauldo wrote: No, it's because literally nothing can make these people happy. A foreigner wins against a Korean? Well, if it's online, then it's obviously because of cross-server lag. If it's offline, then the Korean is obviously jetlagged. Blizzard nerfing Infestors? Not enough. Blizzard making huge strides with HOTS? They've obviously fucked balance. At least, that's what all of the armchair "We're not even in the Beta but we know more about balance than Blizzard" balance whiners say. Tournaments make 100,000 views? LoL got 500,000. Tournament has a $30,000 first place prize? It should be $50,000. Cynics have set themselves into the community and have pervaded it like a cancer. We say we're better than the LoL, fighting game, FPS, and Dota communities...but how? Our manner? Really? That was a self-fulfilling prophecy that people like Day[9] perpetuated because they never actually read the forums and went off of the few nice things people did for others/for them. I guarantee you that for every dumbshit thing said on the LoL forums we have an equally shitty thing said on TL or Reddit. It's this idea that our game is the best and our community is the best, so we're the kings of the world that's the problem. Because when people realize that we're not, that we're just like every other community in the history of the gaming community, they blame everyone but themselves. They blame Blizzard, the teams, literally everyone but themselves. You know what might have hurt the expansion of SC2 and further investment? How about both the shitty Infestor balance AND community pitchforking? How about the normal decline in viewership (that isn't nearly as drastic as people say/said it was) is because people naturally went on to watch other games, as opposed to it's all Blizzard's fault? But no. It's Blizzard's fault. Or it's EG's fault. Or it's KESPA's, GOM's, or MLG's fault. Anyone but our own. And that's the true message I think the OP is trying to convey here. The "blame" might just be more than one person's. Like, you know, how everything else in the world works. Food for thought, I like this post. | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:48 Nimitz.no wrote: Not sure i am that young, I am an old 42 year IT consultant with my own company and 5 employees, besides the point tho. But the aggression some of you show is weird as this is just another topic with opinions in it  . My point is about the negative marketing it brings, nothing more and nothing less. However attacking whiners for whining is doomed to have some aggressive responses  Dood, seriously, just stop. What you're saying is 'instead of being negative dicks, try being happy, positive, optimistic' and so on and so off. And if it's May 2012, there's flowers in the trees and the beautiful scent of summer is crawling up your skin, then you couldn't be righter. Let's hold hands and hope that SCII's future is bright. No need to flame. Back to reality, the Woodstock 2012 ship has long sailed, and probably the last ticket was sold along the time certain someones went on the lines of 'Ok, Ok, Guys, we have it - Infestor eggs to 80HP!'. 'Master Chief, all due respect, that makes zero sense - they don't even die to storm!', some attentive individual from the third row quickly notices. 'We meant 70, don't be silly'. | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:52 jinorazi wrote: esports is a non issue, it'll always be there. people adore esports. the issue is sc2 itself. there are long time followers of the game, hence the craziest hype of any game for sc2, the sequel to a video game that has created the most popular and lucrative esports league in the world. then it turns out the game is a bit far off from the good aspects of the original, so the community has tried making changes for the better, FRB, sc2bw, endless threads on game design, unit deisgn, game balance, features, etc. so did blizzard/sc2 listen to the community? no (or very, very slow at it), they're just doing things the way want to. so its only natural many people will wonder "why???" Dude stop trying. I have no idea why this guy created this thread other than to dismiss valid arguments based on facts and reality as "lol you didn't read the op" or "whiners get mad if you call them whiners". I don't know if he's trolling (very big possibility considering hisr claims of being 42 and an IT consultant compared to the quality and thought put into his posting) but either way this thread is not going anywhere if all the OP does is agree with the people who agree with him and disregard everyone else. -_- | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Agreed. The man hits the nail on the head when it comes to the blame game, masked as criticism. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
However, in no way will I ever be cured of my skepticism and cynicism. As a long time player of Blizzard games, I've had the privilege of watching their quality go down. I only hope, that by the dying years of this sequel, that it will be a product worthy of the Blizzard name. | ||
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dubRa
2165 Posts
Thankfully I have Proleague. When I can't watch a match live because I have school, all I am thinking about all day is Proleague. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
Just think about how much effort this person has put into writing it and how his feelings might get hurt because you just one starred a little piece of his sole. We should encourage people to write as much girl and ladder blogs as possible,just think what will become of OPshot if he doesn't get his weekly fix. Unite my brothers,we shall start by bringing quantichawk to the gallows. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22250 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:23 EvilTeletubby wrote: Moved to Blogs. fucking called it lol | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
if a game is good and enjoyable, I'll play it and maybe follow some tournaments | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
Personally, I very much dislike the idea of "being negative damages our interests because it deters sponsors investors". Thought taboos by too-well-meaning people might have some truth to them. But the idea this deliberate submission is what we must do to reach our goals makes me question whether the idea we are fighting for is worth it. You shouldn't make the mistake to think that those that contribute and those that are negative cynics are separate groups. | ||
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vidium
Romania222 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On January 14 2013 04:27 iglocska wrote: Why would I watch streams when there are tournaments on 24/7? I used to watch streams when there wasn't anything better on, but lately there is so much to watch in terms of awesome well produced content that it leaves no time for streams unless it's a really exceptional one (Nestea streaming). Because it's how a large portion of the progamers make their money. If pros stop maing money, the scene will die. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:45 Luepert wrote: Because it's how a large portion of the progamers make their money. If pros stop maing money, the scene will die. Or they, and sponsors, will have to adapt to the dwindling returns of viewership on single streams and find a new way to make consistent money. | ||
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