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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 19:51:23
January 13 2013 19:50 GMT
#81
On January 14 2013 04:48 Nimitz.no wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:28 yeastiality wrote:
On January 14 2013 04:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I feel like I've read an OP like this on a dozen separate occasions...


It happens when enterprising young social media experts see 'negative, cynical' threads and want a piece of the pie.
Like all things, it shall pass..

On January 14 2013 04:29 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I contribute....
by writing DRG-Blogs
<3

See what I mean?


I am an old 42 year IT consultant with my own company and 5 employees, besides the point tho.

Wow so impressive, and believable, AND relevant
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Mauldo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States750 Posts
January 13 2013 19:51 GMT
#82
On January 14 2013 01:20 skeldark wrote:
Why there are people who want everyone to love what they love and cant handle critic?

This is why:
They are insecure and can not deal with different opinions.
When you say other people what to say, you will stay in your closed mindset and hurt the one you love.
Yourself!

Not the random rant are the problem of the community.
The naive people who dont care for gaming and just want to be a part of something big (e-sport) is the problem
!


No, it's because literally nothing can make these people happy. A foreigner wins against a Korean? Well, if it's online, then it's obviously because of cross-server lag. If it's offline, then the Korean is obviously jetlagged.

Blizzard nerfing Infestors? Not enough. Blizzard making huge strides with HOTS? They've obviously fucked balance. At least, that's what all of the armchair "We're not even in the Beta but we know more about balance than Blizzard" balance whiners say.

Tournaments make 100,000 views? LoL got 500,000. Tournament has a $30,000 first place prize? It should be $50,000.

Cynics have set themselves into the community and have pervaded it like a cancer. We say we're better than the LoL, fighting game, FPS, and Dota communities...but how? Our manner? Really? That was a self-fulfilling prophecy that people like Day[9] perpetuated because they never actually read the forums and went off of the few nice things people did for others/for them. I guarantee you that for every dumbshit thing said on the LoL forums we have an equally shitty thing said on TL or Reddit.

It's this idea that our game is the best and our community is the best, so we're the kings of the world that's the problem. Because when people realize that we're not, that we're just like every other community in the history of the gaming community, they blame everyone but themselves. They blame Blizzard, the teams, literally everyone but themselves. You know what might have hurt the expansion of SC2 and further investment? How about both the shitty Infestor balance AND community pitchforking? How about the normal decline in viewership (that isn't nearly as drastic as people say/said it was) is because people naturally went on to watch other games, as opposed to it's all Blizzard's fault?

But no. It's Blizzard's fault. Or it's EG's fault. Or it's KESPA's, GOM's, or MLG's fault. Anyone but our own. And that's the true message I think the OP is trying to convey here. The "blame" might just be more than one person's. Like, you know, how everything else in the world works.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 20:02:59
January 13 2013 19:52 GMT
#83
esports is a non issue, it'll always be there. people adore esports.

the issue is sc2 itself. there are long time followers of the game, hence the craziest hype of any game for sc2, the sequel to a video game that has created the most popular and lucrative esports league in the world. then it turns out the game is a bit far off from the good aspects of the original, so the community has tried making changes for the better, FRB, sc2bw, endless threads on game design, unit deisgn, game balance, features, etc.

so did blizzard/sc2 listen to the community? no (or very, very slow at it), they're just doing things the way want to. so its only natural many people will wonder "why???"
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Nimitz.no
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway44 Posts
January 13 2013 19:57 GMT
#84
On January 14 2013 04:50 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:48 Nimitz.no wrote:
On January 14 2013 04:28 yeastiality wrote:
On January 14 2013 04:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I feel like I've read an OP like this on a dozen separate occasions...


It happens when enterprising young social media experts see 'negative, cynical' threads and want a piece of the pie.
Like all things, it shall pass..

On January 14 2013 04:29 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I contribute....
by writing DRG-Blogs
<3

See what I mean?


I am an old 42 year IT consultant with my own company and 5 employees, besides the point tho.

Wow so impressive, and believable, AND relevant


Hehe If you see what i comment and quote it is quite relevant, not in the discussion itself but as to the statement he made. Doesn't matter tho as it ain't about me.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 13 2013 19:58 GMT
#85
On January 14 2013 04:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 01:24 Luepert wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:18 kollin wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:10 n0ise wrote:
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.


Bingo. I have been pessimistic about the future, but I really want SC2 to succeed and I don't think we get there by not sharing how we really feel about the game. A few months ago, maybe a year now, SC2 was doing amazing, high viewership, lots of viable strategies, it was really neat.

Now the viable strategies are figured out and relatively stale, viewership is down, ect... Blizzard hasn't been shaping the game in a fun and dynamic direction.

I've been more hopeful lately that when HOTS is released it will get the changes it needs as pros move over, and move SC2 in the right direction.

Viewership isn't down. Please at least do some research before just stating something like it is a fact.


Maybe tournament viewership isn't down, but stream viewership most definitely is.


Less interesting players are streaming to be honest...


That is also valid. If it is not a member of EG or a fun member of TL, I don't really watch streams. Viewship will shoot up again when HotS hits. Or if there are new maps, because I think we have all seen every possible game on the current map set.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Nimitz.no
Profile Joined August 2012
Norway44 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 20:02:17
January 13 2013 20:01 GMT
#86
On January 14 2013 04:51 Mauldo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 01:20 skeldark wrote:
Why there are people who want everyone to love what they love and cant handle critic?

This is why:
They are insecure and can not deal with different opinions.
When you say other people what to say, you will stay in your closed mindset and hurt the one you love.
Yourself!

Not the random rant are the problem of the community.
The naive people who dont care for gaming and just want to be a part of something big (e-sport) is the problem
!


No, it's because literally nothing can make these people happy. A foreigner wins against a Korean? Well, if it's online, then it's obviously because of cross-server lag. If it's offline, then the Korean is obviously jetlagged.

Blizzard nerfing Infestors? Not enough. Blizzard making huge strides with HOTS? They've obviously fucked balance. At least, that's what all of the armchair "We're not even in the Beta but we know more about balance than Blizzard" balance whiners say.

Tournaments make 100,000 views? LoL got 500,000. Tournament has a $30,000 first place prize? It should be $50,000.

Cynics have set themselves into the community and have pervaded it like a cancer. We say we're better than the LoL, fighting game, FPS, and Dota communities...but how? Our manner? Really? That was a self-fulfilling prophecy that people like Day[9] perpetuated because they never actually read the forums and went off of the few nice things people did for others/for them. I guarantee you that for every dumbshit thing said on the LoL forums we have an equally shitty thing said on TL or Reddit.

It's this idea that our game is the best and our community is the best, so we're the kings of the world that's the problem. Because when people realize that we're not, that we're just like every other community in the history of the gaming community, they blame everyone but themselves. They blame Blizzard, the teams, literally everyone but themselves. You know what might have hurt the expansion of SC2 and further investment? How about both the shitty Infestor balance AND community pitchforking? How about the normal decline in viewership (that isn't nearly as drastic as people say/said it was) is because people naturally went on to watch other games, as opposed to it's all Blizzard's fault?

But no. It's Blizzard's fault. Or it's EG's fault. Or it's KESPA's, GOM's, or MLG's fault. Anyone but our own. And that's the true message I think the OP is trying to convey here. The "blame" might just be more than one person's. Like, you know, how everything else in the world works.


Food for thought, I like this post.
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
January 13 2013 20:06 GMT
#87
On January 14 2013 04:48 Nimitz.no wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:28 yeastiality wrote:
On January 14 2013 04:22 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I feel like I've read an OP like this on a dozen separate occasions...


It happens when enterprising young social media experts see 'negative, cynical' threads and want a piece of the pie.
Like all things, it shall pass..

On January 14 2013 04:29 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I contribute....
by writing DRG-Blogs
<3

See what I mean?


Not sure i am that young, I am an old 42 year IT consultant with my own company and 5 employees, besides the point tho. But the aggression some of you show is weird as this is just another topic with opinions in it . My point is about the negative marketing it brings, nothing more and nothing less.

However attacking whiners for whining is doomed to have some aggressive responses


Dood, seriously, just stop. What you're saying is 'instead of being negative dicks, try being happy, positive, optimistic' and so on and so off. And if it's May 2012, there's flowers in the trees and the beautiful scent of summer is crawling up your skin, then you couldn't be righter. Let's hold hands and hope that SCII's future is bright. No need to flame.

Back to reality, the Woodstock 2012 ship has long sailed, and probably the last ticket was sold along the time certain someones went on the lines of 'Ok, Ok, Guys, we have it - Infestor eggs to 80HP!'. 'Master Chief, all due respect, that makes zero sense - they don't even die to storm!', some attentive individual from the third row quickly notices.

'We meant 70, don't be silly'.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
January 13 2013 20:07 GMT
#88
On January 14 2013 04:52 jinorazi wrote:
esports is a non issue, it'll always be there. people adore esports.

the issue is sc2 itself. there are long time followers of the game, hence the craziest hype of any game for sc2, the sequel to a video game that has created the most popular and lucrative esports league in the world. then it turns out the game is a bit far off from the good aspects of the original, so the community has tried making changes for the better, FRB, sc2bw, endless threads on game design, unit deisgn, game balance, features, etc.

so did blizzard/sc2 listen to the community? no (or very, very slow at it), they're just doing things the way want to. so its only natural many people will wonder "why???"


Dude stop trying. I have no idea why this guy created this thread other than to dismiss valid arguments based on facts and reality as "lol you didn't read the op" or "whiners get mad if you call them whiners". I don't know if he's trolling (very big possibility considering hisr claims of being 42 and an IT consultant compared to the quality and thought put into his posting) but either way this thread is not going anywhere if all the OP does is agree with the people who agree with him and disregard everyone else. -_-
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 13 2013 20:10 GMT
#89
On January 14 2013 05:01 Nimitz.no wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:51 Mauldo wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:20 skeldark wrote:
Why there are people who want everyone to love what they love and cant handle critic?

This is why:
They are insecure and can not deal with different opinions.
When you say other people what to say, you will stay in your closed mindset and hurt the one you love.
Yourself!

Not the random rant are the problem of the community.
The naive people who dont care for gaming and just want to be a part of something big (e-sport) is the problem
!


No, it's because literally nothing can make these people happy. A foreigner wins against a Korean? Well, if it's online, then it's obviously because of cross-server lag. If it's offline, then the Korean is obviously jetlagged.

Blizzard nerfing Infestors? Not enough. Blizzard making huge strides with HOTS? They've obviously fucked balance. At least, that's what all of the armchair "We're not even in the Beta but we know more about balance than Blizzard" balance whiners say.

Tournaments make 100,000 views? LoL got 500,000. Tournament has a $30,000 first place prize? It should be $50,000.

Cynics have set themselves into the community and have pervaded it like a cancer. We say we're better than the LoL, fighting game, FPS, and Dota communities...but how? Our manner? Really? That was a self-fulfilling prophecy that people like Day[9] perpetuated because they never actually read the forums and went off of the few nice things people did for others/for them. I guarantee you that for every dumbshit thing said on the LoL forums we have an equally shitty thing said on TL or Reddit.

It's this idea that our game is the best and our community is the best, so we're the kings of the world that's the problem. Because when people realize that we're not, that we're just like every other community in the history of the gaming community, they blame everyone but themselves. They blame Blizzard, the teams, literally everyone but themselves. You know what might have hurt the expansion of SC2 and further investment? How about both the shitty Infestor balance AND community pitchforking? How about the normal decline in viewership (that isn't nearly as drastic as people say/said it was) is because people naturally went on to watch other games, as opposed to it's all Blizzard's fault?

But no. It's Blizzard's fault. Or it's EG's fault. Or it's KESPA's, GOM's, or MLG's fault. Anyone but our own. And that's the true message I think the OP is trying to convey here. The "blame" might just be more than one person's. Like, you know, how everything else in the world works.


Food for thought, I like this post.


Agreed. The man hits the nail on the head when it comes to the blame game, masked as criticism.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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dUTtrOACh
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2339 Posts
January 13 2013 20:14 GMT
#90
I've bought Wings, and I'll buy HotS, LotV and pay for whatever eSports events I want to watch.

However, in no way will I ever be cured of my skepticism and cynicism. As a long time player of Blizzard games, I've had the privilege of watching their quality go down. I only hope, that by the dying years of this sequel, that it will be a product worthy of the Blizzard name.
twitch.tv/duttroach
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 20:22:13
January 13 2013 20:20 GMT
#91
I haven't posted anything negative in forums. I haven't even participated in the #saveHOTS thing. I try to be as positive as I can. But my problem is that generally I haven't enjoyed watching sc2 since 2012 summer with the exception of Proleague. This is due to a combination of really bad maps, balance issues, stale metagame, foreigners not a giving a fuck, tournament politics.
Thankfully I have Proleague. When I can't watch a match live because I have school, all I am thinking about all day is Proleague.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
January 13 2013 20:22 GMT
#92
Guys next time you one star someones blog and dismiss it as terrible,please,don't.
Just think about how much effort this person has put into writing it and how his feelings might get hurt because you just one starred a little piece of his sole.
We should encourage people to write as much girl and ladder blogs as possible,just think what will become of OPshot if he doesn't get his weekly fix.
Unite my brothers,we shall start by bringing quantichawk to the gallows.
Cackle™
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
January 13 2013 20:23 GMT
#93
Moved to Blogs.
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 20:23:51
January 13 2013 20:23 GMT
#94
On January 14 2013 05:23 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Moved to Blogs.

fucking called it lol
Cackle™
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
January 13 2013 20:59 GMT
#95
fuck esports, so sick of esports everywhere...

if a game is good and enjoyable, I'll play it and maybe follow some tournaments
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
January 13 2013 21:07 GMT
#96
I find this attitude of blaming pessimistic people for misfortune very strange to be honest. To push stereotypes, Germans are generally pessimistic about everything and we think that being able to nag about something is our god-given right. The very idea that something won't work because someone is negative about it is alien to us because there is no such thing which we aren't at least a little bit pessimistic about. It's a way to show our affection about the topic. Contrary to that, I sometimes have the impression that for example in the US people criticizing the badwagon are seen as backstabbers ("Nestbeschmutzer").

Personally, I very much dislike the idea of "being negative damages our interests because it deters sponsors investors". Thought taboos by too-well-meaning people might have some truth to them. But the idea this deliberate submission is what we must do to reach our goals makes me question whether the idea we are fighting for is worth it.

You shouldn't make the mistake to think that those that contribute and those that are negative cynics are separate groups.
vidium
Profile Joined January 2012
Romania222 Posts
January 13 2013 21:19 GMT
#97
is the OP a blizz empolyee in disguise?
You ever notice how no one returns to the barracks?
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
January 13 2013 21:45 GMT
#98
On January 14 2013 04:27 iglocska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 01:24 Luepert wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:18 kollin wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:10 n0ise wrote:
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.


Bingo. I have been pessimistic about the future, but I really want SC2 to succeed and I don't think we get there by not sharing how we really feel about the game. A few months ago, maybe a year now, SC2 was doing amazing, high viewership, lots of viable strategies, it was really neat.

Now the viable strategies are figured out and relatively stale, viewership is down, ect... Blizzard hasn't been shaping the game in a fun and dynamic direction.

I've been more hopeful lately that when HOTS is released it will get the changes it needs as pros move over, and move SC2 in the right direction.

Viewership isn't down. Please at least do some research before just stating something like it is a fact.


Maybe tournament viewership isn't down, but stream viewership most definitely is.

Why would I watch streams when there are tournaments on 24/7? I used to watch streams when there wasn't anything better on, but lately there is so much to watch in terms of awesome well produced content that it leaves no time for streams unless it's a really exceptional one (Nestea streaming).


Because it's how a large portion of the progamers make their money. If pros stop maing money, the scene will die.
esports
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 22:27:35
January 13 2013 22:26 GMT
#99
deleted
moo...for DRG
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
January 13 2013 23:53 GMT
#100
On January 14 2013 06:45 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:27 iglocska wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:24 Luepert wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:18 kollin wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:16 BronzeKnee wrote:
On January 14 2013 01:10 n0ise wrote:
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.


Bingo. I have been pessimistic about the future, but I really want SC2 to succeed and I don't think we get there by not sharing how we really feel about the game. A few months ago, maybe a year now, SC2 was doing amazing, high viewership, lots of viable strategies, it was really neat.

Now the viable strategies are figured out and relatively stale, viewership is down, ect... Blizzard hasn't been shaping the game in a fun and dynamic direction.

I've been more hopeful lately that when HOTS is released it will get the changes it needs as pros move over, and move SC2 in the right direction.

Viewership isn't down. Please at least do some research before just stating something like it is a fact.


Maybe tournament viewership isn't down, but stream viewership most definitely is.

Why would I watch streams when there are tournaments on 24/7? I used to watch streams when there wasn't anything better on, but lately there is so much to watch in terms of awesome well produced content that it leaves no time for streams unless it's a really exceptional one (Nestea streaming).


Because it's how a large portion of the progamers make their money. If pros stop maing money, the scene will die.

Or they, and sponsors, will have to adapt to the dwindling returns of viewership on single streams and find a new way to make consistent money.
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