EPTDon't tell people how to act, set an example for them.
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
Don't tell people how to act, set an example for them. | ||
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PandaTank
South Africa255 Posts
On January 14 2013 01:31 Noocta wrote: Wow... Your post is so full of ignorant statements and childish thinking. I don't even know where to start. :/ Just saying it's full of ignorant statements then having 0 justification to back that up, makes your statement the ignorant one. I completely agree with Flek0. It's no coincidence that blizzard are finally making map and balance changes only weeks before they wish to sell millions of copies of their new expansion, despite the community desperately begging for these changes over the last 2+ years. I will honestly not be even slightly surprised to see Blizzard make their money with HotS only to disappear until LotV is near release. | ||
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
Maybe you don't see this a lot on TL but in stream chats/battle.net forums i've seen people claiming that protoss lategame army is unbeatable by zerg. | ||
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:24 Sea_Food wrote: If you need to make desprate post like this to encourage the community. to do work for free, to keep a 100 000 000 dollar game growing/alive then the game might aswell be dead. Keeping the game growing/alive should be mostly blizzards job because they are the ones who get the money from it. Next in line should be tournament organizers and pro teams because they also do it for profit. We the community are the people who dony get money from this, we pay for this, should now put in effort aswell to market this? Just a friendly reminder that sc2 is not a charity. Its a for profit industry. Let us talk about it how we like, not having to consider can the stock holders roll in a bigger pile of money. The post is not meant as desperate. The game is free to play you just buy the initial game and expansions and doesn't bother me at all as the amount is like nothing. Sure i do work for free when i like something and it is a hobby. I do not mind giving feedback at all. You say this is Blizzards job and with some help from the pro scene. I really cannot play at a pro level but that doesn't mean i can't think when watching the pro players duke it out. As to market the game, I haven't said we should but I don't see any point in doing the opposite. I wan't EG or TL (insert team here) to succeed because it is friggin fun to watch for me and they pay their players to have a job within a profession the are passionate about. | ||
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namste
Finland2292 Posts
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:27 Erik.TheRed wrote: I think that threads like this one are just going to serve as flame-bait and in general be a detriment to your goals. Don't tell people how to act, set an example for them. =) It seems like it, but we are never to old to learn. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:02 Nimitz.no wrote: Sure there are, however they don't just play the games and move on when it doesn't meet their demands anymore. (well some do) but the majority sticks around to flame and blame as if they wan't to prove that their decision to move on is the correct one. I can imagine a lot of of those gamers getting sick of those "DO IT FOR ESPORTS OR YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND DONT LIKE THE GAME"-people :-) | ||
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:46 Kuni wrote: I can imagine a lot of of those gamers getting sick of those "DO IT FOR ESPORTS OR YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND DONT LIKE THE GAME"-people :-) I haven't really called out any one as an asshole, but hell yeah do it for e sports if you like it. I see no reason not to. | ||
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TeslasPigeon
464 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:43 Nimitz.no wrote: The game is free to play you just buy the initial game and expansions and doesn't bother me at all as the amount is like nothing. Paying money doesn't make it free to play. With that logic, when I pay rent my apartment suddenly becomes free to live in. This is terrible reasoning. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Nimitz.no
Norway44 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:53 TeslasPigeon wrote: Paying money doesn't make it free to play. With that logic, when I pay rent my apartment suddenly becomes free to live in. This is terrible reasoning. I do not pay a monthly fee for playing Starcraft, do you ? by free to play i mean unlike Wow or Rift, Aion etc. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:53 TeslasPigeon wrote: He means there are no monthly payments, just one-time payment (per expansion). Whereas in most successful free to play models people end up paying regularly for all kinds of little stuff, so it's like they pay monthly.Paying money doesn't make it free to play. With that logic, when I pay rent my apartment suddenly becomes free to live in. This is terrible reasoning. | ||
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liberal
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On January 14 2013 02:57 figq wrote: He means there are no monthly payments, just one-time payment (per expansion). Whereas in most successful free to play models people end up paying regularly for all kinds of little stuff, so it's like they pay monthly. It is a well known fact that in most of these games it's generally only a small fraction of the playerbase that ends up buying in-game items thereby supporting the game. Most of the players of such a game actually never pay for anything. A significant number of the people who play a F2P game (I'm not saying majority here) actually do so simply because it's free and not a terrible game. So it is indeed very terrible reasoning. Also, why does he need to compare SC2 to games with a subscription-based model that as far as I'm aware comprise an infinitesimal amount of the games available right now? I can only think of WoW and EVE, both of which are doing really well, then some korean MMORPGs and most of the rest I can think of have since transitioned to a different payment model. Subscriptions are simply not cutting it in this day and age. So SC2 is a one-time payment game. So are most games and so have been most games. So what? | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On January 14 2013 00:52 Nimitz.no wrote: Starcraft is here to stay and I write this in frustration with the negative posts that occur from time to time in the forums. The latest one is "Is HOTS worth it". We all know it, so why do some people act like rats on a sinking ship when the ship is quite safe as it is. This is why: When you ask this question and talk constant about how SC2 has no future you contribute to limit the immediate growth of e-sports. Yes you are outright hurting the community you love. Talking and discussing the direction of the game to help Blizzard take the right decisions and other players to improve their play are all good and well. However the constant whine about the game itself as in having no place in e-sports, it is just plain destructive. I think you've just assumed the answer to the question "is HotS worth it" for everyone. But you have no way of knowing that, and nothing to back up your statement. Some people actually do have a higher standard for games, that they expected from Blizzard and other companies, but in this case did not receive. Its not unthinkable that this could happen, and you can't simply use as an argument "we all know its worth it". Things are a bit more complicated than that, and people have good reasons for choosing not to buy the expansion. It makes way more sense that they are simply looking for help in order to decide whether they should buy a game or not, than that they are purposely trying to hurt a community that they love. Its completely nonsensical to say that people are willingly hurting the community they love...and for what reason, you've provided none. On the other hand, it makes 1000x more sense to suggest that they are simply looking for information and opinions on whether the game is worth the money they are thinking of paying for the game. The same questions are asked about many other games in the "sports & games" area; its natural, common behavior. You'll also have to qualify what you mean by "whine". Because a lot of people are taking you to mean that complaining about balance, the boring nature of the units and deathball combat, or the lame hollywood-style storylines (for single player), are some form of whining. If you don't mean any of those things, then what else could you possibly mean? Because this is essentially what people complain about. Yet it is those same things that if brought up enough, will help Blizzard change the direction of the game towards what the fans want, so according to you anything that could be considered whining is constructive as well, and at this point it is unclear what you are supporting and what you are detracting, and why. I mean you have to recognize that negative feedback is actually important for many products and companies...otherwise they don't know what's wrong, or how to improve. I think the only meaningful point you can make is that people shouldn't be over the top with their criticism or anger; i.e. that they should try to only make constructive criticisms. If that's all you wanted to say, I would suggest you rephrase it to make it more clear. But you are from Norway so I forgive you  . I suppose English isn't your first language, and from your post it looks like you may still have a bit of difficulty with it.Edit: Also I wanted to comment on something else you said: Sponsors and players are reading this and making decisions based upon the public opinion. It is common knowledge that those who play and are happy doesn't make posts. It is the other half who does and by doing so dominate the media with destructive information, as mentioned before, limits the immediate growth. I don't think sponsors and players are so fickle as to rely on people's forum posts to judge the financial stability and future of the game. The real information that people follow are stream viewing numbers, tournament viewing numbers, and the amount of money people pay for subscriptions. That is the only reliable way to know whether a game is successful or not, and what its trends are, rather than trying to extrapolate what hundreds of thousands of people think from dozens of posts being made on Team Liquid. You've assumed that people are heavily affected by posts on TL, but you don't really have any basis for saying so. On the down side, what you are suggesting is that we stop free speech and people's right to an opinion because there is the potential that sponsors and players could be hurt by the negative feedback people give. This is standard business practice. People give negative reviews everywhere...it serves a crucial role, not only to other consumers who are thinking of playing the game or using whatever product (in general), but it also helps the company see what flaws exist and how to fix them, as I have explained already. Again you need to clarify what you mean by whining. | ||
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bigbadgreen
United States142 Posts
It's like with any service or product. Your negative feedback will always far outweigh your positive feedback even if you are doing a fantastic job. I don't think that blizz has done everything right but they are headed in the right direction. I think too many people will take hold of negative ideas they read on forums and ride those until the end. The amount of games that are lost due to imbalance is far less than the amount of games that are talked about being lost due to imbalance. It's partialy because this game is turned into such a competition that people are less willing to accept their own flaws in gameplay and take the easy way out and go with an opinion they read on a forum. I'm in no way saying there aren't issues with the game. But calling for game boycotts and claiming imbalance/bad design/ignoring community constantly isn't the way to go either. I think a lot of people need to learn the difference between constructive criticism and just complaining. | ||
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pvpeep
Canada228 Posts
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
if someone has no interest in seeing the scene expand (i.e. me), is it something so reprehensible? of course, i realise that players have to eat, so i'd rather it not contract as well...but that shouldn't stop people from voicing their opinions. | ||
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