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Last Edited: 2013-01-14 09:15:19
January 14 2013 08:01 GMT
#101
On January 14 2013 05:07 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
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On January 14 2013 04:52 jinorazi wrote:
esports is a non issue, it'll always be there. people adore esports.

the issue is sc2 itself. there are long time followers of the game, hence the craziest hype of any game for sc2, the sequel to a video game that has created the most popular and lucrative esports league in the world. then it turns out the game is a bit far off from the good aspects of the original, so the community has tried making changes for the better, FRB, sc2bw, endless threads on game design, unit deisgn, game balance, features, etc.

so did blizzard/sc2 listen to the community? no (or very, very slow at it), they're just doing things the way want to. so its only natural many people will wonder "why???"


Dude stop trying. I have no idea why this guy created this thread other than to dismiss valid arguments based on facts and reality as "lol you didn't read the op" or "whiners get mad if you call them whiners". I don't know if he's trolling (very big possibility considering hisr claims of being 42 and an IT consultant compared to the quality and thought put into his posting) but either way this thread is not going anywhere if all the OP does is agree with the people who agree with him and disregard everyone else. -_-


Well you should have an idea since I address the negative marketing and I thought that is quite clear . Regarding your point that I dismiss valid arguments are wrong in my opinion, at least I don't do this deliberately . I do not think it is wrong to not like the direction the game takes and discuss balance or whether Blizzard ignores the users.

I totally agree that people have the right to complain, the opposite would be stupid, but to predict the doom and trying to convince others to abandon ship is just plain destructive. If you don't like it, state what you are not happy with and just move on and focus on things you really like, If that's LoL or Dota like Destiny, fine. Sure he explains his reasons for going elsewhere but he doesn't linger and spend his time trying to limit what Sc2 can achieve.

I have watched most tournaments online I think. My interest has declined for some of them. One in particular is GOMTV, not because the games are bad or anything like that. I have watched it since the beginning of Open season 1 where it was free to watch, all the way up this Christmas. The reason I stopped subscribing now is purely related to their greed.

The tournaments viewers are per today heavily dominated by young people in their studies with limited income, and to rise the cost by making loads of different products and prizing them high as if this is an ordinary TV station is why I personally stopped supporting them now.

There is a difference between complaining/disagreeing to what Blizzard is doing, than it is to spend time and effort into trying to destroy it. This is the whole point of the post and reading my initial post i agree that it come across as way to negative.

Finally, claiming to be 42 and having a job is unbelievable ? I don't know what to say.
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