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Starcraft is here to stay and I write this in frustration with the negative posts that occur from time to time in the forums. The latest one is "Is HOTS worth it".
We all know it, so why do some people act like rats on a sinking ship when the ship is quite safe as it is.
This is why:
When you ask this question and talk constant about how SC2 has no future you contribute to limit the immediate growth of e-sports. Yes you are outright hurting the community you love.
Talking and discussing the direction of the game to help Blizzard take the right decisions and other players to improve their play are all good and well. However the constant whine about the game itself as in having no place in e-sports, it is just plain destructive.
Sponsors and players are reading this and making decisions based upon the public opinion.
It is common knowledge that those who play and are happy doesn't make posts. It is the other half who does and by doing so dominate the media with destructive information, as mentioned before, limits the immediate growth.
This can be compared to the stock-marked as well. Would you as a possible investor/buyer invest in stocks which are flooded with negative information ? the information is not from reliable sources but they are the only sources available to you.
Again it is super to discuss tactic and strategy, but to attack the game itself in frustration based upon lack of success or balance issues you think is unfair, is not contributing to the community it is limiting it's immediate possibilities.
The pro teams and players depend on sponsors to make a living and to entertain you. Show them the respect they deserve by contributing and not "pissing in the well"
So does SC2 have a future ? you all know the answer so the question itself is plain stupid.
How do we make it grow and look brighter ? That is the real question.
Fanboi ? yes of course I am a fan. I love it.
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I think you do need to have a critical point on the game and the direction it's going though. Although, all the bandwagoning etc is getting really old and just digging a deeper grave. Oh well. POSITIVE E-SPORTS FTW! =D
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Just contribute to LP if there's nothing else you can do. Come on, you get shiny coins. Look at my coins. Don't you wish they were yours? I bet you do. Edit LP. Do it.
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Great thread couldn't agree more. If you want to help e-sports it's really easy, just check in your favorite streams every time. Those viewer counts do count, it's something completely free you can do with minimal effort.
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Dude, can I please not take the responsibility for this one?
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.
If it doesn't grow it's because the gamestate doesn't promote growth, the people who messed up are still there and they're too stubborn to admit they made some serious mistakes. AND insisted on not correcting them.
As a recent blog remarked, before e-sports, organizing, sponsors and so on - there needs to be enjoyment, fun, a feeling of "fuck, yeah, I actually feel like playing this game".
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I am not into e-sports in much of way tbh, but what I agree on is the aspie style negativity in modern gaming communities. A lot of people can not seem to just play their game/s of choice and be happy thesedays, other games they they do not choose to play "suck".
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On January 14 2013 01:10 n0ise wrote:
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.
Bingo. I have been pessimistic about the future, but I really want SC2 to succeed and I don't think we get there by not sharing how we really feel about the game. A few months ago, maybe a year now, SC2 was doing amazing, high viewership, lots of viable strategies, it was really neat.
Now the viable strategies are figured out and relatively stale, viewership is down, ect... Blizzard hasn't been shaping the game in a fun and dynamic direction.
I've been more hopeful lately that when HOTS is released it will get the changes it needs as pros move over, and move SC2 in the right direction.
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@whines in threads:
There are so many people here who are addicted to the tl community even though they dont really enjoy SC2 anymore.
These people wil whine, cant do anything about that except hoping they find something better to do with their free time.
@grow esports attitude:
I personally think this is complete bullshit (eg. suggesting to watch streams in order to support players income and sponsors)
For 99% of us this is free time we are spending on tl and in SC2. We are here to have fun and not to keep some Illusion alive.
People get way too fanatic about this esports thing.
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On January 14 2013 01:16 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 01:10 n0ise wrote:
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.
Bingo. I have been pessimistic about the future, but I really want SC2 to succeed and I don't think we get there by not sharing how we really feel about the game. A few months ago, maybe a year now, SC2 was doing amazing, high viewership, lots of viable strategies, it was really neat. Now the viable strategies are figured out and relatively stale, viewership is down, ect... Blizzard hasn't been shaping the game in a fun and dynamic direction. I've been more hopeful lately that when HOTS is released it will get the changes it needs as pros move over, and move SC2 in the right direction.
Viewership isn't down. Please at least do some research before just stating something like it is a fact.
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Why there are people who want everyone to love what they love and cant handle critic?
This is why:
They are insecure and can not deal with different opinions.
When you say other people what to say, you will stay in your closed mindset and hurt the one you love.
Yourself!
How sponsors sell their product is their not our problem.
We dont own them anything! We dont need them and for my part they are not even welcome. Because instead of some brain-washed kids, i DONT like to watch advertise.
What is if some part of this community want a good game and dont care to make it bigger?
What if not everyone thinks that everyone have to love what they love?
What when for some people here, its not about attention and getting main stream because they dont have any complexes to overcome?
Perhaps for some people on TL, It just playing a game and discuss what you like and what you dont like.
Not the random rant are the problem of the community.
The naive people who dont care for gaming and just want to be a part of something big (e-sport) is the problem!
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On January 14 2013 01:18 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 01:16 BronzeKnee wrote:On January 14 2013 01:10 n0ise wrote:
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.
Bingo. I have been pessimistic about the future, but I really want SC2 to succeed and I don't think we get there by not sharing how we really feel about the game. A few months ago, maybe a year now, SC2 was doing amazing, high viewership, lots of viable strategies, it was really neat. Now the viable strategies are figured out and relatively stale, viewership is down, ect... Blizzard hasn't been shaping the game in a fun and dynamic direction. I've been more hopeful lately that when HOTS is released it will get the changes it needs as pros move over, and move SC2 in the right direction. Viewership isn't down. Please at least do some research before just stating something like it is a fact.
Maybe tournament viewership isn't down, but stream viewership most definitely is.
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On January 14 2013 01:10 n0ise wrote:
Dude, can I please not take the responsibility for this one?
SCIIs decline was in Blizzard's court, they ruined this year, not the people venting their frustration. If their point was seeing how many people they can alienate from the game in record time, they did a fantastic job.
If it doesn't grow it's because the gamestate doesn't promote growth, the people who messed up are still there and they're too stubborn to admit they made some serious mistakes. AND insisted on not correcting them.
As a recent blog remarked, before e-sports, organizing, sponsors and so on - there needs to be enjoyment, fun, a feeling of "fuck, yeah, I actually feel like playing this game".
Yeah and for almost the last 15 years of my own experience with internet gaming I've seen the posts like this, every game that goes into decline, whingers moaning about the company didn't do this, didn't do that.
People move on, play other games, law of diminishing returns.
What can be done? well firstly, take a deep breath and stop whinging and blaming, secondly do something constructive if you feel strongly enough about it.
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eh i aggree with what your saying but if your really Nimitz ( eu gm protoss ) than your defenitly the wrong person to start a thread like this as your known to be really bad mannered.
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The release of the expansion would be a good time to boycott the game until blizzard starts to care about esports. There should be a huge community movement with all the prominent figures standing up and showing the middle finger to blizzard, then tournaments need to stop broadcasting sc2, and pro players must not play it. But who could organize something like this, when most of these people enjoy the fruits of what little blizzard give us? And the sad thing is even if this happened it probably didnt change a thing. They have a roadmap to legacy of the void with the least things they need to do and get away with it, and that is how things going to turn out. They only care about selling to single player to 5 million american kids aaand they're gone for 3 years again.
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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
Your thread has some truth in it, the internet is typically a negative place, but asking people to withhold legitimate criticism is not appropriate. If you don't criticize, there is no way that Blizzard knows that there needs to be a change. Not everyone is happy with the way the game plays, and your opinion is not superior to theirs.
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Negative cynics are cooler #swag
I think most fans are not negative at all, it's just the bad ones that are more vocal. Rather than trying to change people's behaviour I would encourage people to show appreciation when they feel it.
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On January 14 2013 01:27 FLeK0 wrote:
The release of the expansion would be a good time to boycott the game until blizzard starts to care about esports. There should be a huge community movement with all the prominent figures standing up and showing the middle finger to blizzard, then tournaments need to stop broadcasting sc2, and pro players must not play it. But who could organize something like this, when most of these people enjoy the fruits of what little blizzard give us? And the sad thing is even if this happened it probably didnt change a thing. They have a roadmap to legacy of the void with the least things they need to do and get away with it, and that is how things going to turn out. They only care about selling to single player to 5 million american kids aaand they're gone for 3 years again.
Wow... Your post is so full of ignorant statements and childish thinking.
I don't even know where to start. :/
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On January 14 2013 01:31 Noocta wrote:
Wow... Your post is so full of ignorant statements and childish thinking.
I don't even know where to start. :/ I just played too many blizzard games where the gamers' voice were ignored forever.
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On January 14 2013 01:20 skeldark wrote:
Why there are people who want everyone to love what they love and cant handle critic?
This is why:
They are insecure and can not deal with different opinions.
When you say other people what to say, you will stay in your closed mindset and hurt the one you love.
Yourself!
How sponsors sell their product is their not our problem.
We dont own them anything! We dont need them and for my part they are not even welcome. Because instead of some brain-washed kids, i DONT like to watch advertise.
What is if some part of this community want a good game and dont care to make it bigger?
What if not everyone thinks that everyone have to love what they love?
What when for some people here, its not about attention and getting main stream because they dont have any complexes to overcome?
Perhaps for some people on TL, It just playing a game and discuss what you like and what you dont like.
Not the random rant are the problem of the community.
The naive people who dont care for gaming and just want to be a part of something big (e-sport) is the problem!
what the fuck? are you seriously? everyone knows that there are millions of whiners out there ( mostly bronze - master-league ) who whine about ... well nearly everything! they cant change the game because they are not like the big fishes, who actually play for money!! sc2 could be the most balanced game in the world!! but still this players would open flame/ blaance threads, because well quite frankly they just cant deal with everything in the game, due to bad mechanics or just bad understanding of the game.
and whats bad about being part of esports without complaining about the game?? just tell me what would be bad if everyone would have nothing but love for this game.
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