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I'd have to agree ... i have a thirst to play in tournaments for SC2. I dont' have aspirations of being a pro, i love my job, and i want to do that. But i also love to compete ... it's a bit like playing a sport. Scocer, Footy, Baseball, whatever. You know you aren't going to be pro, but you still love playing the game at your level.
I loved CS for this. I played CS, got recognized for just being regulars on certain aussie servers, got into a clan. Now just getting into the clan .... well that's not terribly special, but i DID love the fact that, as a clan, we'd practice once a week together on a server, and leading up to a clan war, you'd practice your ass off so you'd not let your team down and potentially come top score on a map.
That shit made CS so much fun. Fucking Clan wars. The sense that i had something to work for, teammates to not let down, rival teams to compete against. Jumping onto a server with it full of a rival clan, and then you raping all of them, was one of the best feelings in CS.
I would love for this to be a reality in SC2. EGMC style clan wars where you send out your 3 best players in 3 best of 3's.
Then one off PIL Fight Club style where just 1 of each team just has a showmatch for clan prestiege or whatever.
Imagine being picked as an ace and winning clan war for your team ?
Hook that shit to my veins.
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Long time reader of TL, signed up to post on this thread (don't know why it's taken so long!). This post is mainly aimed for those on the SEA server, sorry to the guys in NA!
It has been an ongoing issue for awhile now, and as an old BW player (Extortionist) in the aus-1 scene, we formed a really tight knit community of like minded individuals. I'm currently in FaDe, and being in a team/clan has bought back some of those memories, but there still seems to be a lot missing.
SiliconSports is currently working on bringing amateur tournaments to the SEA server. We are toying with different idea's at the moment, but we are mainly looking at ways to bring the community together and give players of all skill levels the chance to compete and have some fun with like minded individuals on a regular basis.
We'd love to hear what you guys think, and to also field suggestions directly from the community that we wish to serve (Feel free to PM me!).
Starcraft, to many of us, has always been about the amazing community, and we need to really give it a kick in the guts that it truly deserves.
Cheers,
Psy
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Too bad its on sea. GL man
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I think a team league organizer in game would really help. I have a few friends who are part of clans that do team league battles against other divisions in their clan at low levels all the way up to GM players so it does exist. I would love to see an in game option though with a LF team chat to make friends and root for each other in close team league matches.
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On September 19 2012 13:22 ReturnStroke wrote:
I think clans would help with this a lot. Yes it hela alot, after i found My clan it feels more fun and serious in some way.
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Team leagues seem like an interesting idea. I imagine they would work pretty well at an amateur level.. very cool
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I think part of it has to do with the mentality of the players. A lot of them seem like they think if they just practice on ladder enough they'll eventually be pro. Why bother with amateur tournaments? I disagree with that mentality but I've heard it out there.
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The one thing SC2 needs is a WELL orginized Platnum/Diamond Teamleague and a Gold/Silver one.
Take a lesson from Nikon and his D rank TeamLeague http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349433
Even tho BW is a lot smaller it manages Teamleagues and Starleagues for D and C players. SC2 does have tournaments and such, but nobody is actually putting in the effort for a Low level Teamleague well there were a couple, but they were all badly organized. SC2 actually needs one with a lot of effort put into it.
While SC2 has a lot of *Tournaments* for Low leagues it doesn't actually have Starleagues with long spans (1month) with round robin and group stages even Ladder stages (Something that SC2 is really missing a stage where people just play each other in mass and have the server record it and then the best 32 qualify for Ro32)
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I've played z33k tourneys. Though they are cool they arent really what my post was about. All power to them though
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I agree with everything within the OP,
There is great problems with the whole community aspect of this game and there has been this problem since the start, the limited chat sizes & no control over chat rooms, the lack of community and the lack of playing against the same people unless your at grandmasters/high masters is not particularly a problem but it does cause need to ask yourself, " why am I playing this game without aspirations to go pro". I think that basically the size of Starcraft causes these issues, although alot more thought could have went into the chat and community system in Starcraft to begin with, especially the fact that team/clan system within Starcraft is already 2 years late which is pretty pathetic and Blizzard really need to pull the finger out and make Starcraft players interact with each other more.
As far as talking shit, all in fun, brings me back to Empire Earth and AoE3 and the as you say, respect within the community is a much sought after recognition that although it has no value, its the sentiment of appreciation that many amateur players look for from Starcraft, although I'm not exactly sure what can be done to increase community interactions and the likes but I'm sure amateur leagues would make an impact and I would like to help wherever I can.
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On September 19 2012 13:42 Tingles wrote:
That shit made CS so much fun. Fucking Clan wars. The sense that i had something to work for, teammates to not let down, rival teams to compete against. Jumping onto a server with it full of a rival clan, and then you raping all of them, was one of the best feelings in CS.
I would love for this to be a reality in SC2. EGMC style clan wars where you send out your 3 best players in 3 best of 3's.
Then one off PIL Fight Club style where just 1 of each team just has a showmatch for clan prestiege or whatever.
Imagine being picked as an ace and winning clan war for your team ?
Hook that shit to my veins.
But Starcraft is a 1v1 game, now 5v5
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On September 19 2012 14:35 thezanursic wrote:The one thing SC2 needs is a WELL orginized Platnum/Diamond Teamleague and a Gold/Silver one. Take a lesson from Nikon and his D rank TeamLeague http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349433Even tho BW is a lot smaller it manages Teamleagues and Starleagues for D and C players. SC2 does have tournaments and such, but nobody is actually putting in the effort for a Low level Teamleague well there were a couple, but they were all badly organized. SC2 actually needs one with a lot of effort put into it.
There was a league called Valor in SC2 that ran for a good few seasons and they posted regular forum threads at the beginning of each season. But in general that's really hard to do in SC2 for two reasons.
First, as you said, TL BW community is a lot smaller and tighter, most people know each other at least from forums/IRC and that gives some additional context to the competition. Moreover, these leagues are significant enough and get a lot of attention in such a small scene, whereas threads and streams for an SC2 league of the sort would struggle to remain on top page of SC2 Tournaments forum section, and would get largely ignored by anyone not participating in the league.
Secondly, it's much more difficult to progress from D (even more so from C) ranks in BW than it takes for an active Bronze-Plat player to get promoted, so as a result you see many of the same people competing in D and C ranks for multiple seasons. If you have a completely new roster of players each season, then it's really no different from low level Playhems/z33k tournaments because you can't build a community around it and people lose interest much quicker.
IMO it would be much easier to run low level tournaments based on some smaller community away from teamliquid. Whether that's a local (geographically speaking) community or a general gaming / specific game community, basically a place where such a league would have enough importance to maintain interest.
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I believe you just remember being more involved in counter strike? FPS tournaments/style is different from the Starcraft Scene... the community is amazing, and did you even watch WCU? like best tournament ever...
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I'm just curious, are people still playing at lower levels? I love the game and the community but damn the ladder grind of games at lower levels. I don't play the game to become a pro gamer but sure to improve and have fun and get in-game rewards. But on my level the game is really shit (forever gold) in that sense. The mechanics of the game is great but i really can't be arsed grinding games on the ladder for the sake of it.
And nothing really happens either. I never understod how you got promoted. When i played i had a pretty even win ration, a little more wins than loses but I never got promoted to platinum season after season. At the end of the seasons i had like 60 wins and 50 lost games maybe.
Maybe RTS isn't for me when i play but i wouldn't watch any other eSport game though, StarCraft 2 has the best eSport scene!
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integrated tourney into sc2 for each league would silence this thread...plz blizz bring it in
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On September 19 2012 16:08 etofok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 13:42 Tingles wrote:
That shit made CS so much fun. Fucking Clan wars. The sense that i had something to work for, teammates to not let down, rival teams to compete against. Jumping onto a server with it full of a rival clan, and then you raping all of them, was one of the best feelings in CS.
I would love for this to be a reality in SC2. EGMC style clan wars where you send out your 3 best players in 3 best of 3's.
Then one off PIL Fight Club style where just 1 of each team just has a showmatch for clan prestiege or whatever.
Imagine being picked as an ace and winning clan war for your team ?
Hook that shit to my veins.
But Starcraft is a 1v1 game, now 5v5
Yeah, you have 4 1v1's in a clan war, with BO3's for each game? Look at EG Masters Cup. Perfect example of a team competition.
Or even GSTL for that matter. Pick from a pool of players in a BO 7/ 9, with potential for All Kill.
What do you mean "1v1 game, now 5v5" ? I don't understand what you are trying to say =/
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On September 19 2012 17:10 Tingles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2012 16:08 etofok wrote:On September 19 2012 13:42 Tingles wrote:
That shit made CS so much fun. Fucking Clan wars. The sense that i had something to work for, teammates to not let down, rival teams to compete against. Jumping onto a server with it full of a rival clan, and then you raping all of them, was one of the best feelings in CS.
I would love for this to be a reality in SC2. EGMC style clan wars where you send out your 3 best players in 3 best of 3's.
Then one off PIL Fight Club style where just 1 of each team just has a showmatch for clan prestiege or whatever.
Imagine being picked as an ace and winning clan war for your team ?
Hook that shit to my veins.
But Starcraft is a 1v1 game, now 5v5 Yeah, you have 4 1v1's in a clan war, with BO3's for each game? Look at EG Masters Cup. Perfect example of a team competition. Or even GSTL for that matter. Pick from a pool of players in a BO 7/ 9, with potential for All Kill. What do you mean "1v1 game, now 5v5" ? I don't understand what you are trying to say =/
I think there should be team ladders for teams of 3 or 5 with an all kill format. Would be so much more interesting to play with teams with that format because playing the team ladders now is like playing a whole another game and I don't think it's fun. 
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Why doesn't anyone create something akin to football (soccer) leagues, with promotion and relegation?
Whilst on paper it seems a bit like the normal ladder, it would be more focussed on your whole league, rather than you as an individual and whether or not you are bronze/silver/gold.
This way it rewards those who win their league, with a slight spotlight, as well as the ability to move up a league.
It will then produce familiar names in the sense that those who get demoted will be expected to get promotion next season.
You could also make it so that people who play 'at home' get map choice of all maps in the bo3, or get first and last choice?
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The hugh diffrence between starcraft and cs 1.6 is that in starcraft you can play people at your skill level and improve on ladder, there are no such thing in cs, there you've just got pubs with "newbs" and you need to play pcw(matches) and tournaments to get any competition, I think people aren't taking this into enough consideration.
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