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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
September 19 2012 02:29 GMT
#21
You guys mentioning the Playhems probably don't realize that it's usually pros winning those, thus stealing the recognition from amateurs.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
sertman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States540 Posts
September 19 2012 02:39 GMT
#22
i completely understand. i come from the FPS community as well and your post rang well and true with me. i agree :D
speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
September 19 2012 02:51 GMT
#23
Thanks for all the support guys. I noticed alot of the same talk today on reddit, and it got a lot more negative feedback. I think we should keep going with these ideas and not let it just go away. It would be amazing. Keep the topic alive and more people will hear it.

I'll probably write some more detailed and thought out shit in the near future. This needs to be talked about more, and not just from cs players >.>
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i.of.the.storm
Profile Joined April 2009
United States795 Posts
September 19 2012 02:57 GMT
#24
On September 19 2012 11:02 _Search_ wrote:
Blizzard really should have integrated a Tournament system into Bnet years ago.


Not sure if you're trying to be ironic or just genuinely uninformed, but Warcraft 3 had this.
Maru - The Terran hope is alive!
Smoodish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States95 Posts
September 19 2012 03:09 GMT
#25
All the amateur cups that do exist don't publicize themselves as much as they should. But i agree completely with you OP, amateur scene is severely lacking. Makes playing this game for any high goals really hard. Like for me it used to be trying to make it into GM, and now that i have , there are no goals for me anymore, and the game is not as alluring and awesome as it once was.

Don't get me wrong though, i still love this game and play it a good bit, but its lost the charm it had for me back when i was diamond league.
Smoodish
Profile Joined April 2011
United States95 Posts
September 19 2012 03:10 GMT
#26
On September 19 2012 11:29 mizU wrote:
You guys mentioning the Playhems probably don't realize that it's usually pros winning those, thus stealing the recognition from amateurs.


Also this isn't so bad, considering that if you as an amateur reach that finals, or get through some of the top pros, you gain more rep than you would by getting to a finals by just smashing a bunch of less skilled people, yeah?
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
September 19 2012 03:17 GMT
#27
On September 19 2012 09:49 EnderSword wrote:
There's quite definitely no lack in amateur play.

From Daily Playhem, Z33k, Beyond Gaming, Sticky Flames etc... tournaments, we've also got high amatuer CSL, After Hours Gaming League, Female only tournaments, constant qualifiers for training team spots or invites to things, we've got the ladder itself as a main competitive outlet, 2v2 tournaments, local LANs, Clans that run events...

This moment I could turn on dozens of streams running smaller tournaments and competitions.

What exactly is it we're missing?

I think he's grunting about the lack of publicity. Sure the hardcore, or people who participate in them, are going to be noticed but everyone outside are searching for these niche of competition.

It would be cool for someone to make a list and smack on a website saying: Amatuer tournaments!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
September 19 2012 03:18 GMT
#28
On September 19 2012 10:13 Drogith wrote:
What you are talking about is one of the reason I started the Semi-Pro Gaming League. Lower league players, those that aren't pro but still want to improve really need support from others that feel the same way and an amateur league really supports that way of thinking. As a second point it also let's player A meet player B and they both begin to improve more than they would on just the normal ladder.

It's that atmosphere of competition that builds up better players. You ever wonder why certain areas of the world, or even the country tend to be best for certain sports? It's because of the high levels of competition at those lower levels that keep producing better and better players: Hockey players from Canada and Russia for instance.

But what I wanted to say is I think you should check out the SPGL. We're moving into season 2 and have made a bunch of changes for it based on player feedback.


Sounds AMAZING. Where does Ontario Canada fit in? Im in eastern Ontario. Is there a region for Canada?
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
September 19 2012 03:24 GMT
#29
On September 19 2012 11:29 mizU wrote:
You guys mentioning the Playhems probably don't realize that it's usually pros winning those, thus stealing the recognition from amateurs.


I don't think Pros are winning the 5$ bronze/silver 10$ gold/plat tournaments that are hosted daily. That would be cheating.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
September 19 2012 03:25 GMT
#30
On September 19 2012 12:24 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 11:29 mizU wrote:
You guys mentioning the Playhems probably don't realize that it's usually pros winning those, thus stealing the recognition from amateurs.


I don't think Pros are winning the 5$ bronze/silver 10$ gold/plat tournaments that are hosted daily. That would be cheating.



I think it happens a lot more than you think.
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Drogith
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1350 Posts
September 19 2012 03:36 GMT
#31
On September 19 2012 12:18 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2012 10:13 Drogith wrote:
What you are talking about is one of the reason I started the Semi-Pro Gaming League. Lower league players, those that aren't pro but still want to improve really need support from others that feel the same way and an amateur league really supports that way of thinking. As a second point it also let's player A meet player B and they both begin to improve more than they would on just the normal ladder.

It's that atmosphere of competition that builds up better players. You ever wonder why certain areas of the world, or even the country tend to be best for certain sports? It's because of the high levels of competition at those lower levels that keep producing better and better players: Hockey players from Canada and Russia for instance.

But what I wanted to say is I think you should check out the SPGL. We're moving into season 2 and have made a bunch of changes for it based on player feedback.


Sounds AMAZING. Where does Ontario Canada fit in? Im in eastern Ontario. Is there a region for Canada?

Aboslutely. We cover Canada, US, Mexico, Islands, and the rest of Central America. For season 2 Ontario fits in the Northeast region. The website is in process of being updated as we move to season 2.

Sorry about the brief hijack XD
Founder of the New England SC2 League
speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
September 19 2012 03:40 GMT
#32
No worries bro
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Westy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
England808 Posts
September 19 2012 03:58 GMT
#33
I know what you mean. And I feel like the problem is team liquid. In all other competitive games I have played, all the players have been spread about on multiple small community sites. Thus allowing lots of small amateur competitive scenes to grow. But with SC2 everything is centered around team liquid. And who wants to spend an hour watching/reading results about some diamond level no namers that you have never interacted with before when you could simply follow all the top level players.

There is really not much that can be done about it though sadly.
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
September 19 2012 04:02 GMT
#34
You practice to have fun, you play the game to have fun. You dont have to be a pro someday. idiot
speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
September 19 2012 04:04 GMT
#35
On a closely related note, Sundance took note of this on reddit today and seemed very interested. I tweeted him a link to this blog post. Very cool that he realizes something like this could be a good idea

source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/102l6h/call_to_arms_community_tournaments/
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speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
September 19 2012 04:05 GMT
#36
On September 19 2012 13:02 skatblast wrote:
You practice to have fun, you play the game to have fun. You dont have to be a pro someday. idiot


Read the post moron. Pretty sure i said 2 or 3 times that i am NOT an aspiring progamer. Thats the point, is i want amateur competition, opposed to professional.

I swear there needs to be aptitude tests for forums
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Azaryah
Profile Joined September 2010
United States55 Posts
September 19 2012 04:05 GMT
#37
OP makes excellent points on the community interaction within existing amateur leagues. Lets be real, guys, Playhem has no story lines, nothing to keep track of, nothing to endear it to the amateur player other than a small cash prize. The most exciting part about Playhem is that current pros participate in it, and if you are good enough you have a chance to face them. Most of the time, though, I never make it past 2 rounds (obviously I need more practice). Z33k I never heard of till this thread, same thing with Semi-Pro Gaming League, and I think that says something about publicity issues (I lurk SC reddit every day).

We have hundreds of thousands of people who watch the big gaming leagues and want to be part of it, but they have no idea where to start other than laddering and trying to find practice partners. I can tell you from personal experience this isn't enough. I need real community involvement with several players, maybe a team, maybe not, but just interacting with some people to help keep me interesting in playing would be awesome. I need some kind of goal to strive for that isn't as hard as the MLG Open Bracket. Another poster here was paraphrasing Napoleon, "All men are enamored of decorations". It's true! I was ELATED when I made diamond in season 1. It felt amazing. So far I have not made masters but when I do, I know that I will feel elated again. GM? You bet I'll fucking celebrate if that ever happens. BUT, even if I get these accolades, the feeling I get from them will fade, and I'll need something else. I need a great amateur league.
'Be water, my friend"
speakerbox
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada453 Posts
September 19 2012 04:20 GMT
#38
Azaryah gets it
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ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
September 19 2012 04:22 GMT
#39
I think clans would help with this a lot.
ghosly
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1 Post
September 19 2012 04:28 GMT
#40
Totally agree with the statements. Would be great to widespread the community where it wouldn't be just random people you are playing against all the time. Have always loved my experience with the Cod4 competition community, and would love to see something like it happen for Starcraft.
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