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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
I recall when I ended up to elitistjerks site a few years back when I played WoW and got a warning from my first and also last post, now thats harsh moderation. Mods could be far more strict here imo. But I guess with over 10k people browsing the site at once it gets rough. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On August 20 2012 12:18 -Kaiser- wrote: There's nothing abnormal about TLs moderation as long as you remember that it's mostly run by above-average-intelligence, above-average-ego 20-something regular human beings. Realistically, you only have 3 options to be mostly sure you don't get an infraction ever: 1) Don't post. 2) Make sure what you post is always completely lukewarm or robotically positive. 3) Be an outstanding contributor with everything you post. If you say something contrary to the opinion of most of the mods, you're almost always going to walk somewhere close to the line. There's no point in looking at TL like it's a public forum run by perfect, highly paid and completely unbiased professionals because it's not. It's a private site run primarily by young adults with opinions and biases exactly like ours, and all things considered, they do a respectable job of being responsible about it. EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all or someone might take offense to you being not-nice on their website. I agree with some of your theories, but I think your conclusions are completely incorrect. It'd be impossible to say we don't have bias. In fact, I would dare say we have a hell of a lot of bias in a great many things (which is actually part of what makes TL great IMO - everyone from top to bottom has an investment in the site). I think what truly sets us apart is actually that DESPITE our bias, we do a pretty damn good job at being objective with our moderation. In fact, I challenge you to find maybe even 1 or 2 truly biased and unwarranted bans in the past 10, 20, 50, whatever number of pages in the automated ban list you feel like checking. Generally speaking, there is reason behind everything we do. We are only human and not 100% perfect by any means, but I think we do as close to it as we can. Obviously I'm biased.  Also, I've always thought it hilarious that people think there is a perception that unpopular opinions get you banned. Find me a SINGLE EXAMPLE of this happening. More often than not, it's more than just an 'unpopular' opinion that goes along with it, and TBH my experience shows that most people who are quick to make those complaints have a long moderation history, and often fail to understand why they were banned. This is not an ad-hom by any means, but just for an example with Kaiser here; your opinion that unpopular opinions get moderated has to be taken with a gain of salt considering you have a perm'ed account with a whole list of temp bans and the inevitable perm that goes along with it. I don't think I've seen any warnless or banless posters ever complain about it, even the ones that disagree with popular opinions. | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On August 20 2012 17:43 EvilTeletubby wrote: I agree with some of your theories, but I think your conclusions are completely incorrect. + Show Spoiler + It'd be impossible to say we don't have bias. In fact, I would dare say we have a hell of a lot of bias in a great many things (which is actually part of what makes TL great IMO - everyone from top to bottom has an investment in the site). I think what truly sets us apart is actually that DESPITE our bias, we do a pretty damn good job at being objective with our moderation. In fact, I challenge you to find maybe even 1 or 2 truly biased and unwarranted bans in the past 10, 20, 50, whatever number of pages in the automated ban list you feel like checking. Generally speaking, there is reason behind everything we do. We are only human and not 100% perfect by any means, but I think we do as close to it as we can. Obviously I'm biased. Also, I've always thought it hilarious that people think there is a perception that unpopular opinions get you banned. Find me a SINGLE EXAMPLE of this happening. More often than not, it's more than just an 'unpopular' opinion that goes along with it, and TBH my experience shows that most people who are quick to make those complaints have a long moderation history, and often fail to understand why they were banned. This is not an ad-hom by any means, but just for an example with Kaiser here; your opinion that unpopular opinions get moderated has to be taken with a gain of salt considering you have a perm'ed account with a whole list of temp bans and the inevitable perm that goes along with it. I don't think I've seen any warnless or banless posters ever complain about it, even the ones that disagree with popular opinions. I agree with the majority of your post. Also, I've always thought it hilarious that people think there is a perception that unpopular opinions get you banned. Find me a SINGLE EXAMPLE of this happening. I'd say this was definitely a biased ban. Happystreet was just temp banned for 2 days by Twisted. That account was created on 2011-01-26 06:12:00 and had 469 posts. Reason: On August 20 2012 05:09 Happystreet wrote: Omg Messi blew that so hard he is so overrated. Terrible trolling. Not needed. But overall TL's staff is doing an amazing job. You hardly ever come across bad/offensive posts that have not been warned/banned yet. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
The other time I was reading through some old threads the other day and saw one where the guy was talking about his past joining clans, gaining status, and then banning everyone in the clan or something. He got banned too. I think sometimes the mods act for the benefit of the forums sometimes when they do ban because of unpopular opinion. Sometimes there are those people so despicable that its better to get rid of them when they show themselves. In the above two cases, I think the bans were justified, even though the posters didn't do anything inherently wrong. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
If I said Marineking was overrated when he cocked something up I doubt I'd get banned but eh not really an apt comparison but still Football has many aspects of what what people consider being "good" if I asked my dad he'd probably say someone who can barge the shit out of players and just be 7 foot and have muscles the sze of tree trunks everyone else is weak in comparison to someone who doesn't think very highly of skills or chips or tricks then sure messi might seem pretty overrated derailing the topic here with football so i'll stop | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On August 20 2012 17:43 EvilTeletubby wrote: I agree with some of your theories, but I think your conclusions are completely incorrect. It'd be impossible to say we don't have bias. In fact, I would dare say we have a hell of a lot of bias in a great many things (which is actually part of what makes TL great IMO - everyone from top to bottom has an investment in the site). I think what truly sets us apart is actually that DESPITE our bias, we do a pretty damn good job at being objective with our moderation. In fact, I challenge you to find maybe even 1 or 2 truly biased and unwarranted bans in the past 10, 20, 50, whatever number of pages in the automated ban list you feel like checking. Generally speaking, there is reason behind everything we do. We are only human and not 100% perfect by any means, but I think we do as close to it as we can. Obviously I'm biased. Also, I've always thought it hilarious that people think there is a perception that unpopular opinions get you banned. Find me a SINGLE EXAMPLE of this happening. More often than not, it's more than just an 'unpopular' opinion that goes along with it, and TBH my experience shows that most people who are quick to make those complaints have a long moderation history, and often fail to understand why they were banned. This is not an ad-hom by any means, but just for an example with Kaiser here; your opinion that unpopular opinions get moderated has to be taken with a gain of salt considering you have a perm'ed account with a whole list of temp bans and the inevitable perm that goes along with it. I don't think I've seen any warnless or banless posters ever complain about it, even the ones that disagree with popular opinions. I was banned for quoting a pro and mimicing what he said (it was rude towards X person i used it back at him as it was in context) and he recieved nada. Explanation? ^_^ I was told "because of your previous warnings and bans" when i asked. I'd say that was number #1 on the biased bans list, you wouldnt throw someone in jail if they ate the last apple because they previously commited murder xD Either way, dont ban or warn for this please? :D And this doesnt matter to me, ive just never understood that ban, out of my four or so. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On August 20 2012 21:40 Capped wrote: I was banned for quoting a pro and mimicing what he said (it was rude towards X person i used it back at him as it was in context) and he recieved nada. Explanation? ^_^ I was told "because of your previous warnings and bans" when i asked. I'd say that was number #1 on the biased bans list, you wouldnt throw someone in jail if they ate the last apple because they previously commited murder xD Either way, dont ban or warn for this please? :D And this doesnt matter to me, ive just never understood that ban, out of my four or so. bring up the quote and maybe someone else can give their opinion | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
- Check context - Check user mod history - Check most recent posts If user A has 0 mod history and his recent posts are all fine he'll get a go. User B with 8 mod notes and/or generally questionable posting will get a ban for the same thing. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On August 20 2012 22:08 zatic wrote: Yes, we are very biased against people with previous offenses. What happens when a questionable post is found / reported: - Check context - Check user mod history - Check most recent posts If user A has 0 mod history and his recent posts are all fine he'll get a go. User B with 8 mod notes and/or generally questionable posting will get a ban for the same thing. what about if User A had 5 mod notes or whatever but they were all a year ago and has been fine up until this point how much consideration do you give the mod notes then? Is it equal to user B and his recent mod notes? | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On August 20 2012 22:12 Denzil wrote: what about if User A had 5 mod notes or whatever but they were all a year ago and has been fine up until this point how much consideration do you give the mod notes then? Is it equal to user B and his recent mod notes? Its a good point, considering ive cleaned my act up somewhat, after learning never to post while inebriated, it helps alot! xD Also to never post about lindsey sporrer, oh god.. I wont take the time to bring up the original quote of my ban btw, its not worth it and i cant remember for the life of me where it would be. Past is past, move orrn | ||
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zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
On August 20 2012 22:12 Denzil wrote: what about if User A had 5 mod notes or whatever but they were all a year ago and has been fine up until this point how much consideration do you give the mod notes then? Is it equal to user B and his recent mod notes? Obviously more recent offenses weigh heavier than something years ago. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32158 Posts
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On August 20 2012 15:05 Waxangel wrote: Actually you'd totally get banned for that but if you post something about tibet that seems well researched but inflammatory, we'd probably have no idea what to do I can't tell is a joke or real but either way it made me laugh. Thanks mods for opening up to some of the opinions in this thread, really added a lot and made me learn much. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
On August 20 2012 14:48 fire_brand wrote: I feel like the TL mods are just barely containing the shit that threatens to destroy TL. All the reddit u mad bros, and legions of 4chan trolls are just chomping at the bit waiting for our ardent defenders to falter. They wait like vultures or coyotes, waiting to come and cannibalize the remains of a once civil forum. But hope springs eternal in quality new members raising the flag for good posts and productive discussion. Imagine if you will a giant raging river consisting of entirely sewage and fecal matter. Our TL Mods are the Dutch dams straining to hold that filth back from overwhelming our beloved site. Still we see the cracks, the thin rivulets of fetid waste that invade our sanctuary. Alas or heroes can't hold on their own. They need our help. We need to be the ones saying, "Nay, that filth does not belong here," that we take up the hammer and chisel, and be the masons of TL. TL DR, the mods do a good job, but we need to take some ownership for our fair website. I drew this a while ago: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Chill/theproblemwiththestratforum.jpg) | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On August 20 2012 22:15 Capped wrote: I wont take the time to bring up the original quote of my ban btw, its not worth it and i cant remember for the life of me where it would be. Past is past, move orrn No, you wanted to bring up your last ban as a point in the discussion, so no sense in not posting it. Here is your gem: On February 02 2012 23:50 Capped wrote: Blizzard doesnt give a fuck about what your all saying. Your wasting your time even thinking about it. Let alone posting in a thread on TL. User was temp banned for this post. A blanket insult to everyone in the thread, especially given your recent history at the time, is something undeserved you feel? | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19257 Posts
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On August 21 2012 00:47 Chill wrote: Lmao Well I don't know, I've never had a real issue with TL Mods. I feel like people who do are just upset because they feel their opinions were stymied by a mod "unfairly". I mean seriously who gives that much of a fuck about your opinion. If you want to be heard then people who are willing to listen will listen. But if you cross that line and start mouthing off on some bitch for no better reason than to oppose their opinions then you deserve the ban. Other than that if you got a temp ban over something stupid, then shut up and realize that all that's happened to you is that somebody doesn't want to hear from you for a few days. I mean shit, if you walked into my house and started barking some ignorant bullshit then your ass is going to get the boot. There has been only one time as far as I remember, when I was banned. It was by manifesto7, and I remember being angry that I was not able to bark back at the bitches in my thread. But after a few days I began to simmer down and realized that I wasn't helping anyone or moving the discussion along by maliciously attacking someone on a damn video game forum. Time went on and unfortunately I still had some lingering issues with people with opposing opinions. I didn't fully understand the concept of people having different opinions. Stupid but it was true. I mean in the real world most people avoid confrontations, but online..fuck we go ape shit crazy on each other. Eventually after receiving a warning or two I just threw my hands up and stopped trying to argue with people online. We all have our own opinions and beliefs that we subscribe to. We subscribe to it, we can preach a little if we want, but no god damn assimilation is going to happen in this bitch. If you got something to say then just say it, but say it in a civilized fashion. Civilized as in "here's what I think" and "no bitch I disagree now let me tell you why" and just leave it at that. You don't have to hound everyone into following your beliefs. If they didn't agree with your logic and your research then you should just agree to disagree. But hey man that's just my opinion. This is the mentality I subscribe to when I'm posting out my thoughts now. Because in the end I know you have your own opinions and if I didn't convince you to agree with mine then that's fine and all gravy with me because we'll both be right in our own worlds and live life another day. So that means you don't have to take it from me, because at the end of the day you can still do whatever the FUCK you want to do. But just remember that here at TL the mods are just keeping things in moderation. | ||
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United States10328 Posts
On August 20 2012 17:43 EvilTeletubby wrote: In fact, I challenge you to find maybe even 1 or 2 truly biased and unwarranted bans in the past 10, 20, 50, whatever number of pages in the automated ban list you feel like checking. It seems like the OP (and others) are more concerned with biased non-bans though. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On August 21 2012 02:27 Snuggles wrote: Well I don't know, I've never had a real issue with TL Mods. I feel like people who do are just upset because they feel their opinions were stymied by a mod "unfairly". If that was intentional... then  | ||
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