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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
On August 20 2012 10:52 LuckyFool wrote: this is why I can't vote for Obama. I hate Romney too though lol. time to just fucking move to Canada. This really had nothing to do with Obama. The US financial crisis had been set in motion decades earlier and no amount of good governing and economy management could have avoided that. The free reign given to banks and financial institutions in the US is ludicrous. The reason Canada is not in this position is because the banks have regulations that restrict what they do with debt. What you really need is to reign in your capitalism a bit so it doesn't destroy your country. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32097 Posts
On August 20 2012 10:52 LuckyFool wrote: this is why I can't vote for Obama. I hate Romney too though lol. time to just fucking move to Canada. i'd be more dismayed at how he handled the bailouts. job creation is a lot further removed from the president than that is. that said, while obama isnt all that great, i dont find much about romney that is worth mentioning | ||
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Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
On August 21 2012 01:06 fire_brand wrote: This really had nothing to do with Obama. The US financial crisis had been set in motion decades earlier and no amount of good governing and economy management could have avoided that. The free reign given to banks and financial institutions in the US is ludicrous. The reason Canada is not in this position is because the banks have regulations that restrict what they do with debt. What you really need is to reign in your capitalism a bit so it doesn't destroy your country. It doesn't matter if it was set decades ago. He's done the least with what he's had out of all the presidents within the past 60 years. Even when you're playing from behind, you shouldn't make it that much more significantly worse. I can't name one thing he did for my state that was good, other than overpaying some construction workers, who ended up losing their jobs soon after. He helped make my city go bankrupt. Why would I vote for Obama? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
Thank's obama really appreciate it! | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12129 Posts
On August 21 2012 04:33 blade55555 wrote: Ug obama pretty much fucked me and many other people over in terms of jobs. With his new health care bill or w/e if you work 25 hours or more your employer has to pay your health insurance which is a joke, so now everyone at my job except a select few are going to be reduced to 20-24 hours a week and we have to hire like 50-60 new employees to compensate for that. Thank's obama really appreciate it! Wow holy shit :S That really sucks....it's like well-intentioned but has a glaring loophole ouch :/ And yeah I don't know what citizenship I would try for but...well starting to consider it. | ||
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Salv
Canada3083 Posts
On August 21 2012 04:33 blade55555 wrote: Ug obama pretty much fucked me and many other people over in terms of jobs. With his new health care bill or w/e if you work 25 hours or more your employer has to pay your health insurance which is a joke, so now everyone at my job except a select few are going to be reduced to 20-24 hours a week and we have to hire like 50-60 new employees to compensate for that. Thank's obama really appreciate it! Doesn't Obamacare say that if your company has more than 50 workers they need to provide the health insurance? By adding these workers, they aren't avoiding anything, they will either have to sponsor a health plan or pay penalties. From what I understand, if anything, Obamacare gives little incentive to hire part-time employees because they work less yet still count towards that key 50-employee number which defines a small or large business. This whole, work 25 hours thing I've never heard of. | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
On August 19 2012 19:41 Grumbels wrote: There are other reasons why people can vote for Romney though. They can also just really dislike liberals, women, hate minorities, be religious, believe Obama is the anti-christ, don't believe in global warming, think Iraq had WMD. Given what Romney stands for aside from "praise the rich", simply his stances on global warming and cultural issues should be enough to question the intelligence of anyone voting for him. (not that Obama is that much better) And ixi, did you really accuse others of wanting wage slavery when in the previous sentence you said we had to be grateful to the rich for granting us jobs? (how nice of them) It has always been the right that seems to prefer a return to the traditional values of serfs versus nobles. There are plenty of reasonable arguments, and the fact that you don't agree with them doesn't make them any less reasonable. I'm sure that promoting a culture of fear and hate towards a group you perceive to be creating a culture of fear and hate will DEFINITELY solve the problem. On August 20 2012 20:34 Kukaracha wrote: The beauty of friendship is that it allows you to overlook what you don't like in someone, and to see his qualities with an open mind. Just leave him be. This is the best response to the entire post. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
Drew Brees is not a good counter argument to my argument. Just like CEO's he'd be paying more in taxes and fits the wealthy criteria, and the way the wages between professional entertainers and business CEO's is so vastly different that it wouldn't be a good comparison to begin with. Yes, the disparity between workers and CEO's are huge. There's not enough competition to go around to compensate and truly put value to that person's intrinsic worth to society or company, and for those employed by the government like teachers under the college level it's quite bad because there's a fat chance in hell they'll ever see raises. What you say is not intrinsically evil, is also certainly not necessarily fair, that's just how the system works. You say the rich pay a lot in taxes... yes, well you would expect them to considering how much wealth they actually have. 20% pay 70% in taxes? They also own 85% of the total wealth. What seems a "little" to these families is actually a lot to them. It's difficult as is living off minimum wage full time work, and in certain areas simply impossible. Also, I was never acting or saying that fixing the economy was as easy as raising taxes on people. My point on this matter is actually quite simple. Only that if we were to raise taxes there's no excuse not to have those in the upper bracket pay more considering the income/wealth disparity of recent years. Everyone has payed less in recent years, but despite that the income disparity has increased drastically and the economy has gone downhill. Socioeconomic standing has so much more to do with a person's success than people are lead on to believe, especially in America. You hear about people like buffet, yet did he exactly come from a ghetto? "I don't believe in dynastic wealth", Warren Buffett said, calling those who grow up in wealthy circumstances "members of the lucky sperm club". Buffett has written several times of his belief that, in a market economy, the rich earn outsized rewards for their talents. That's the misconception my friend has. Anyone doubting it can look up the statistics on their own, but it is not as easy as those shouting "class warfare" and even Mitt Romney would lead you to believe even through hard work and dedication. That's simply how I see it. The field is not nearly as even as it should be. For everyone else's reply and as for the upcoming 2012 election as a whole there are a lot of reasons not to vote for Romney, but who is better between Romney and Obama was never even the point to begin with. | ||
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