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On May 05 2012 17:11 trias_e wrote:
I have a hard time figuring out why I shouldn't just stay isolated and drink. It seems to optimize my happiness in the short-term. And the long-term can go fuck itself, because it is ethereal and imaginary. My sanity on a day to day basis is tangible and real.
But...when I wake up the next morning, I always feel regret, feel that I am wasting my life, feel that I am pathetic.
I think feeling regret the next morning is enough of a reason to not want to drink anymore. It's obvious you want to stop.
The long term is not ethereal or imaginary. It isn't distinct from the short term. Rather the short and long term are on a continuum with medium term effects in between. In that sense it's just as real as anything else.
Support groups are good. The first thing I would do on an online support group is to post a daily report and to keep it up. I don't know if you should go to a live support group meeting, but it's worth a try.
You should also be honest to and try to get support from friends. The argument that you don't want to bother them is an excuse to not seem weak.
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Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.
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You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).
I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.
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On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).
I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.
Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one.
I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant.
1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5.Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10.Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw.
Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality.
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On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.
Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood.
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If you have a problem drinking, there's a 95% chance that you can't moderate it, so you need to quit altogether. Some people argue at that point you'll be considered a 'dry drunk' and in order to fully live your life without constantly feeling like shit/craving alcohol, you need to work the 12 steps at aa/na.
I myself attend the meetings fairly regularly and it DOES help.
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On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).
I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools. Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one. I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant. 1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. 3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. 7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. 12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw. Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality. Edit: Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person. Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood.
The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now...
You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after.
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On May 06 2012 11:04 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).
I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools. Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one. I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant. 1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. 3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. 7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. 12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw. Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality. Edit: On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person. Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood. The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now... You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after.
Egotistical? Alcoholics have to constantly bring up alcohol because they have to remind themselves what it was like when they were drinking. You really don't know enough about the disease or the program to talk about it.
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Alcohol makes you happy because it prevents you from giving a fuck. Stop giving so many fucking fucks.
The situation you have found yourself in boils down to a confidence issue. Having few friends attributes to why you feel pathetic but I'd wager its not the only reason. If you are able to get a job that you enjoy or find meaningful then I don't think there is anyway you could consider yourself pathetic. Once you are doing something you are proud of with your life it will boost your confidence and then there will be no need for any of this social lubricant. Everything comes naturally the more you try to improve yourself.
There's nothing wrong with drinking alone either, I've done it, it can be good fun at times just don't make it an everyday thing. Maybe going back to school would be a good option for you because it would open more social opportunities and maybe add a bit more meaning to your life. Of course I am completely talking out of my ass because i barely know you.
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Alcohol works for depression for me. What I hate about it is the cost, and the physical symptoms the next day. But what I really hate is that I don't know how to solve the problems in my life. The root cause is depression, boredom with life and a general feeling of emptiness.
I don't think I am an alcoholic, although maybe I could be labeled a problem drinker. If I stop drinking for an extended period depression does take hold of me pretty severely. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper getting drunk at home once or twice a week than seeing a shrink without insurance. I need to find something to replace alcohol with if I am to quit it, otherwise I am just not functional. I would gladly replace it with weed if I actually knew any way to get it, lol. Maybe exercise could work? Maybe some sort of social hobby? I know that sitting around on my computer doesn't work anymore. Gaming only gives me satisfaction in small bunches, but gaming for a primary source of entertainment/escapism doesn't work for me anymore.
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.
No drinking unless with other people is a really good rule, because if I want to drink I ALSO have to be more social which is a good thing, I can be pretty isolated sometimes. I used to apply it, and I should again. The problem these days is that I don't have very many people to be social with. I can count them on one hand.
There's nothing wrong with drinking alone either, I've done it, it can be good fun at times just don't make it an everyday thing. Maybe going back to school would be a good option for you because it would open more social opportunities and maybe add a bit more meaning to your life. Of course I am completely talking out of my ass because i barely know you.
I'm actually going to school. That's one reason for depression. It hasn't gone so well, like usual, I fail at whatever I try to do. As far as meeting people...yeah, I just don't do that. I never personally made a friend at college despite going for, what, 7 years in total now. Sad but true. I am not very functional when it comes to meeting people and making friends.
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On May 06 2012 11:04 Chef wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).
I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools. Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one. I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant. 1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. 3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. 7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. 12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw. Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality. Edit: On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person. Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood. The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now... You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after.
It's actually incredibly unsuccessful and a huge waste of tax payer money. It's sad that such a flawed system is forced upon so many people.
Yes, for you people that are going to defend AA, it DOES work. Sometimes. I believe the success rate for alcohol recovery due to AA is something like less than 5%.
There HAS to be a better way =) (hey government, try reopening those LSD and alcohol addiction therapy sessions please)
(also, I have a friend that was spending $80 on meth almost every day, for almost a year. He quit cold turkey and has been clean for almost 5 years now, just a bit of inspiration >.>!)
So you know trias, most alcoholics don't consider themselves alcoholics! 
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I know exactly how you feel because I also have been dealing with both anxiety and depression.
The only way you're going to face your problems is to stop whatever you're using to cover up the problems.I mean if it's helping you keep everything together for now then I'd say keep going until you get to a time in your life where you can just stop and have some time for yourself. You have to really notice and examine everything that you're doing and what's really causing those feelings. It's really hard because everyone lies to themselves in order to make themselves feel better. You can lie to others but you can't lie to yourself.
You have to come up with a plan that address your shortcomings and helps you deal with all of the negative things that are causing you problems. Try as many things as possible to help with your problems. If social anxiety is your main problem, then make a goal for yourself to have a conversation per day that you otherwise wouldn't have. Feel free to pm me, if you ever want to talk. I've struggled with addictions too and have had a long road beating them. Good luck.
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On May 07 2012 00:31 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2012 11:04 Chef wrote:On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).
I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools. Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one. I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant. 1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. 3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. 7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. 12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs. Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw. Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality. Edit: On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person. Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood. The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now... You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after. It's actually incredibly unsuccessful and a huge waste of tax payer money. It's sad that such a flawed system is forced upon so many people. Yes, for you people that are going to defend AA, it DOES work. Sometimes. I believe the success rate for alcohol recovery due to AA is something like less than 5%. There HAS to be a better way =) (hey government, try reopening those LSD and alcohol addiction therapy sessions please) (also, I have a friend that was spending $80 on meth almost every day, for almost a year. He quit cold turkey and has been clean for almost 5 years now, just a bit of inspiration >.>!) So you know trias, most alcoholics don't consider themselves alcoholics!
AA doesn't require Tax payers money (its self sustaining and they don't take donations from outside AA)... I also know for a fact that MA has the same tradition and I'm pretty sure NA does as well.The last part of what PanN said is extremely important to remember though.
I'd also like to note that everytime I hear you mention the types of problems you are having it makes me think AA is a good option for you. If you found the right sponsor for YOU I'm sure he would become a good friend and would also be able to help you work on all your social problems as well as your boredom (if you pick the right sponser he may be able to help you, but even if he can't help you personally, the steps can help you realize how to solve those problems without personal advice).
Replace your drinking with going to AA meetings. They are free and you have the option of paying $1 or $2 a meeting to pay rent (or pay for coffee if they have it). I was honestly scared as shit of 12 step meetings before I started to go to them. I thought they were a cult that wanted to convert me to something. Then I went and realized that I share a lot in common with most of the people who go and that most people there only care about their own soberiety as well as sharing their story. No joke, I cried more than once when I was driving to my first MA meeting.
To some people it seems egotistical to be selfish and care about yourself. But if your in recovery for something and your doing it for some other reason than your own personal health and sanity than your in it for the wrong reasons. Being selfish is one of the most important things about recovering from an addiction usually.
I will not call you an addict or an alcoholic (to me they are the same thing) and neither will anyone in AA. Only you can do that. But I have seen more than one person go into a meeting meekly and then seen them share "well.... I don't think I am an addict" just to see them again at the next meeting more confident and assertive and have them joke "I'm blank and I AM an Addict!"
For me, I know I am a fucking pothead, so I know I cannot smoke.
Edit: I put myself in Intensive Outpatient because I was coping with Depression and Anxiety with Weed. But I also made any excuse to smoke eventually it didn't matter if I was happy, sad, or lonely.
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