• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 01:04
CET 07:04
KST 15:04
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT29Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice6Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza1Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0258
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Team Liquid Map Contest - Preparation Notice ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker Weekly Cups (Feb 23-Mar 1): herO doubles, 2v2 bonanza
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 515 Together Forever Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare
Brood War
General
Effort misses out on ASL S21 BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Gypsy to Korea BSL 22 Map Contest — Submissions OPEN to March 10
Tourneys
[BSL22] Open Qualifier #1 - Sunday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 BWCL Season 64 Announcement
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Diablo 2 thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Gaming-Related Deaths
TrAiDoS
ONE GREAT AMERICAN MARINE…
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1802 users

Alcohol - Page 2

Blogs > trias_e
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
May 05 2012 16:34 GMT
#21
On May 05 2012 17:11 trias_e wrote:
I have a hard time figuring out why I shouldn't just stay isolated and drink. It seems to optimize my happiness in the short-term. And the long-term can go fuck itself, because it is ethereal and imaginary. My sanity on a day to day basis is tangible and real.

But...when I wake up the next morning, I always feel regret, feel that I am wasting my life, feel that I am pathetic.

I think feeling regret the next morning is enough of a reason to not want to drink anymore. It's obvious you want to stop.
The long term is not ethereal or imaginary. It isn't distinct from the short term. Rather the short and long term are on a continuum with medium term effects in between. In that sense it's just as real as anything else.

Support groups are good. The first thing I would do on an online support group is to post a daily report and to keep it up. I don't know if you should go to a live support group meeting, but it's worth a try.
You should also be honest to and try to get support from friends. The argument that you don't want to bother them is an excuse to not seem weak.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
May 05 2012 22:27 GMT
#22
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 22:57:14
May 05 2012 22:55 GMT
#23
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).

I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 23:52:12
May 05 2012 23:48 GMT
#24
On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).

I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.


Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one.

I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant.

1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5.Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10.Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw.

Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality.

Edit:
On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.

Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
beachbeachy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States509 Posts
May 06 2012 01:51 GMT
#25
If you have a problem drinking, there's a 95% chance that you can't moderate it, so you need to quit altogether. Some people argue at that point you'll be considered a 'dry drunk' and in order to fully live your life without constantly feeling like shit/craving alcohol, you need to work the 12 steps at aa/na.

I myself attend the meetings fairly regularly and it DOES help.
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Goethe
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
May 06 2012 02:04 GMT
#26
On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).

I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.


Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one.

I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant.

1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5.Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10.Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw.

Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality.

Edit:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.

Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood.

The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now...

You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
beachbeachy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States509 Posts
May 06 2012 02:47 GMT
#27
On May 06 2012 11:04 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).

I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.


Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one.

I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant.

1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5.Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10.Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw.

Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality.

Edit:
On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.

Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood.

The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now...

You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after.


Egotistical? Alcoholics have to constantly bring up alcohol because they have to remind themselves what it was like when they were drinking. You really don't know enough about the disease or the program to talk about it.
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Goethe
Fritts
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada63 Posts
May 06 2012 03:18 GMT
#28
Alcohol makes you happy because it prevents you from giving a fuck. Stop giving so many fucking fucks.

The situation you have found yourself in boils down to a confidence issue. Having few friends attributes to why you feel pathetic but I'd wager its not the only reason. If you are able to get a job that you enjoy or find meaningful then I don't think there is anyway you could consider yourself pathetic. Once you are doing something you are proud of with your life it will boost your confidence and then there will be no need for any of this social lubricant. Everything comes naturally the more you try to improve yourself.

There's nothing wrong with drinking alone either, I've done it, it can be good fun at times just don't make it an everyday thing. Maybe going back to school would be a good option for you because it would open more social opportunities and maybe add a bit more meaning to your life. Of course I am completely talking out of my ass because i barely know you.
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 15:30:36
May 06 2012 15:22 GMT
#29
Alcohol works for depression for me. What I hate about it is the cost, and the physical symptoms the next day. But what I really hate is that I don't know how to solve the problems in my life. The root cause is depression, boredom with life and a general feeling of emptiness.

I don't think I am an alcoholic, although maybe I could be labeled a problem drinker. If I stop drinking for an extended period depression does take hold of me pretty severely. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper getting drunk at home once or twice a week than seeing a shrink without insurance. I need to find something to replace alcohol with if I am to quit it, otherwise I am just not functional. I would gladly replace it with weed if I actually knew any way to get it, lol. Maybe exercise could work? Maybe some sort of social hobby? I know that sitting around on my computer doesn't work anymore. Gaming only gives me satisfaction in small bunches, but gaming for a primary source of entertainment/escapism doesn't work for me anymore.

Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.


No drinking unless with other people is a really good rule, because if I want to drink I ALSO have to be more social which is a good thing, I can be pretty isolated sometimes. I used to apply it, and I should again. The problem these days is that I don't have very many people to be social with. I can count them on one hand.



There's nothing wrong with drinking alone either, I've done it, it can be good fun at times just don't make it an everyday thing. Maybe going back to school would be a good option for you because it would open more social opportunities and maybe add a bit more meaning to your life. Of course I am completely talking out of my ass because i barely know you.


I'm actually going to school. That's one reason for depression. It hasn't gone so well, like usual, I fail at whatever I try to do. As far as meeting people...yeah, I just don't do that. I never personally made a friend at college despite going for, what, 7 years in total now. Sad but true. I am not very functional when it comes to meeting people and making friends.
PanN
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2828 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 15:33:30
May 06 2012 15:31 GMT
#30
On May 06 2012 11:04 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).

I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.


Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one.

I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant.

1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5.Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10.Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw.

Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality.

Edit:
On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.

Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood.

The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now...

You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after.


It's actually incredibly unsuccessful and a huge waste of tax payer money. It's sad that such a flawed system is forced upon so many people.

Yes, for you people that are going to defend AA, it DOES work. Sometimes. I believe the success rate for alcohol recovery due to AA is something like less than 5%.

There HAS to be a better way =) (hey government, try reopening those LSD and alcohol addiction therapy sessions please)

(also, I have a friend that was spending $80 on meth almost every day, for almost a year. He quit cold turkey and has been clean for almost 5 years now, just a bit of inspiration >.>!)

So you know trias, most alcoholics don't consider themselves alcoholics!
We have multiple brackets generated in advance. Relax . (Kennigit) I just simply do not understand how it can be the time to play can be 22nd at 9:30 pm PST / midnight the 23rd at the same time. (GGzerg)
Arthemesia
Profile Joined May 2011
United States292 Posts
May 06 2012 21:08 GMT
#31
I know exactly how you feel because I also have been dealing with both anxiety and depression.

The only way you're going to face your problems is to stop whatever you're using to cover up the problems.I mean if it's helping you keep everything together for now then I'd say keep going until you get to a time in your life where you can just stop and have some time for yourself. You have to really notice and examine everything that you're doing and what's really causing those feelings. It's really hard because everyone lies to themselves in order to make themselves feel better. You can lie to others but you can't lie to yourself.

You have to come up with a plan that address your shortcomings and helps you deal with all of the negative things that are causing you problems. Try as many things as possible to help with your problems. If social anxiety is your main problem, then make a goal for yourself to have a conversation per day that you otherwise wouldn't have. Feel free to pm me, if you ever want to talk. I've struggled with addictions too and have had a long road beating them. Good luck.
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-06 23:35:40
May 06 2012 23:32 GMT
#32
On May 07 2012 00:31 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2012 11:04 Chef wrote:
On May 06 2012 08:48 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On May 06 2012 07:55 Chef wrote:
You are getting too obsessed with alcohol. If you are thinking about alcohol every day, either as a solution to problems or the cause of problems, you need to reevaluate your situation and figure out what is really wrong. Alcohol is a fun thing to have once in awhile when you're already happy. It wastes a lot of time that could have been spent improving your life (aka while you feel so bad the next day, irregardless of physical symptoms).

I'm not gonna give you the whole spiel. Try not to be a huge dumb ass, is basically what it is. In a few months if you're saying 'I'm an alcoholic' and going to AA meetings, you'll be even more blind to the real issues in your life and massively egocentric about your problems. I have met a lot of people who once they have a scapegoat for a problem like alcohol, they never really get back on track or stop drinking like fools.


Lol were you ever in AA? I'm not telling him to blindly follow someones advice, but because of what I bolded it sounds like you have no fucking clue what AA is actually about. Its about recognizing your faults and doing your best to not repeat them and its also about looking at your life and why you have issues. Its not a scapegoat unless you let it be one.

I will admit that I don't agree with everyone at 12 step meetings. But if you look at the 12 steps and take them at face value the part I bolded makes you look completely ignorant.

1.We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
2.Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3.Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4.Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5.Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6.Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7.Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8.Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9.Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10.Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
11.Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12.Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

Total scapegoating right? Not saying its a perfect system. And frankly I disagree with a lot that is said by members of AA. But if someone goes into those steps open and honestly there is no scapegoating and no ego. Ego is usually a defect of character btw.

Its not about just saying the words and thinking you believe them. Its about honestly looking at your life and making corrections. How can you do that if your not living in reality.

Edit:
On May 06 2012 07:27 GohgamX wrote:
Definatly stop drinking by yourself and make some rules bro. No drinking unless its Friday or a special ocassion. The poisen got one of my budies pretty bad. Now he doesn"t drink at all and is not the same person.

Totally agree with this. Also I agree with what Chef said about not drinking unless your already in a good mood.

The people I've met in AA tend to make their entire lives about AA and not drinking, which I think is counter-productive. I've heard AA does not have good success rate and I believe it. The best way to get control of an addiction is to replace it with something positive, not obsess over how you ya need to quit it and talk to people every day about how many days you quit now...

You can look at the steps, but the actual actions people are going thru... soul searching and such is egotistical, talking about your not drinking every day is egotistical, getting a whole support group of friends and family for YOU is egotistical... It is a really ineffective process. I have heard far more success from people who just accept that they have control over their own bodies and take responsibility for themselves, than people who mistakenly think one drink = necessary to drink 5 more because they are an alcoholic and have no control etc etc. When you talk to alcoholics it is really unpleasant how self-centred they are. They have already done enough soul searching while drunk and the morning after.


It's actually incredibly unsuccessful and a huge waste of tax payer money. It's sad that such a flawed system is forced upon so many people.

Yes, for you people that are going to defend AA, it DOES work. Sometimes. I believe the success rate for alcohol recovery due to AA is something like less than 5%.

There HAS to be a better way =) (hey government, try reopening those LSD and alcohol addiction therapy sessions please)

(also, I have a friend that was spending $80 on meth almost every day, for almost a year. He quit cold turkey and has been clean for almost 5 years now, just a bit of inspiration >.>!)

So you know trias, most alcoholics don't consider themselves alcoholics!


AA doesn't require Tax payers money (its self sustaining and they don't take donations from outside AA)... I also know for a fact that MA has the same tradition and I'm pretty sure NA does as well.The last part of what PanN said is extremely important to remember though.

I'd also like to note that everytime I hear you mention the types of problems you are having it makes me think AA is a good option for you. If you found the right sponsor for YOU I'm sure he would become a good friend and would also be able to help you work on all your social problems as well as your boredom (if you pick the right sponser he may be able to help you, but even if he can't help you personally, the steps can help you realize how to solve those problems without personal advice).

Replace your drinking with going to AA meetings. They are free and you have the option of paying $1 or $2 a meeting to pay rent (or pay for coffee if they have it). I was honestly scared as shit of 12 step meetings before I started to go to them. I thought they were a cult that wanted to convert me to something. Then I went and realized that I share a lot in common with most of the people who go and that most people there only care about their own soberiety as well as sharing their story. No joke, I cried more than once when I was driving to my first MA meeting.

To some people it seems egotistical to be selfish and care about yourself. But if your in recovery for something and your doing it for some other reason than your own personal health and sanity than your in it for the wrong reasons. Being selfish is one of the most important things about recovering from an addiction usually.

I will not call you an addict or an alcoholic (to me they are the same thing) and neither will anyone in AA. Only you can do that. But I have seen more than one person go into a meeting meekly and then seen them share "well.... I don't think I am an addict" just to see them again at the next meeting more confident and assertive and have them joke "I'm blank and I AM an Addict!"

For me, I know I am a fucking pothead, so I know I cannot smoke.

Edit: I put myself in Intensive Outpatient because I was coping with Depression and Anxiety with Weed. But I also made any excuse to smoke eventually it didn't matter if I was happy, sad, or lonely.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
LiuLi Cup Grand Finals Playoff
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft441
mcanning 148
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 5788
GuemChi 824
Bale 28
sSak 23
Icarus 16
League of Legends
JimRising 645
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K352
m0e_tv294
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor89
Other Games
summit1g4256
C9.Mang0321
Tasteless108
RuFF_SC2101
NeuroSwarm65
Mew2King28
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV213
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 55
• Berry_CruncH46
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 83
• Azhi_Dahaki14
• iopq 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1277
• Rush1230
• Stunt449
• HappyZerGling96
Other Games
• Scarra1368
Upcoming Events
Ultimate Battle
5h 56m
Light vs ZerO
WardiTV Winter Champion…
5h 56m
MaxPax vs Spirit
Rogue vs Bunny
Cure vs SHIN
Solar vs Zoun
OSC
11h 56m
Replay Cast
17h 56m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 3h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 5h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-04
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.