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trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
May 05 2012 08:11 GMT
#1
I used alcohol as a social lubricant from the ages of 18-25. I might have a drink or two at night by myself, but for the most part I was drinking entirely socially. And, to a good extent, it helped! I attribute a few good friendships, and many fantastic experiences, more or less to the group/alcohol interaction. There were some downsides of course, but all in all I think it enriched my earlier experiences.

But these days, I have been more isolated. I continue drinking, but more often alone. And the more I go down this route, the more I find drinking isn't the same social lubricant as it was before. Instead, I find myself forced to get shitfaced just to go out to a bar or talk to people I don't know. Facing social interaction requires me getting so drunk that I am not a good person to be around for the most part. And the last few times I've gone out, I've realized I would far more enjoy just drinking alone and playing some video games than dealing with this fact.

I realize however that this is a terrible long-term strategy. I will die miserable and alone. But my social interactions give me such a negative emotional response, and alcohol has ceased to help this fact. I have a hard time figuring out why I shouldn't just stay isolated and drink. It seems to optimize my happiness in the short-term. And the long-term can go fuck itself, because it is ethereal and imaginary. My sanity on a day to day basis is tangible and real.

But...when I wake up the next morning, I always feel regret, feel that I am wasting my life, feel that I am pathetic.

Fuck.

***
Roe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada6002 Posts
May 05 2012 08:25 GMT
#2
I know it's kind of cheap and cliche, but do you have any family? They would most likely stay by your side until the end.

But before we get to the end of things, ask yourself why do you need a social lubricant? What are you trying to escape? What about social interaction is frightening?

Keep your chin up, the long-term may be far off, but it's far off from imaginary. Every thing you do from this day forward will have an impact on the rest of your life as well as the lives of others.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 08:33:56
May 05 2012 08:31 GMT
#3
I am sorry you feel this way. Your description reminds me of this song:


I hope you can find strength and help to get you back on your feet friend.

EDIT: Posted the wrong Phil Ochs song at first. Fixed.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
ArcticMuse
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia93 Posts
May 05 2012 08:35 GMT
#4
My dad's currently in hospital due to depression, largely due to alcohol abuse. If you want to destroy yourself and everything you care about then keep it up.
Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
May 05 2012 08:39 GMT
#5
Im not sure about what kind of person you are, but i far prefer drinking by myself. I used to be a super-social guy. Like in high school i knew everybody, was prom king and went to parties all 'round town. But my interest in meeting new people slowly wore off. My increasing depression has its share of blame, but not meeting new people isnt a pressing issue for me. If you have 5-10 close friends that you enjoy being with, i'd say you dont need more than that in life. You will often chance upon people too, so just be sure to take the opportunity when it presents itself. But meeting new people all the time, bah, that is more often than not a total waste of time (and good alcohole). The aesthetical/lyrical high alchohole gives you is best enjoyed in solitude. At least thats my opinion.
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 08:52:30
May 05 2012 08:50 GMT
#6
On May 05 2012 17:35 ArcticMuse wrote:
My dad's currently in hospital due to depression, largely due to alcohol abuse. If you want to destroy yourself and everything you care about then keep it up.


I don't have kids or a girlfriend. I don't have anything I really care about.

I don't want to argue about the objective benefits and detriments of alcohol. Especially regarding something as subjective as your experiece with your dad. But all I can talk about is my own experience.

For me, alcohol abuse and depression go hand in hand, but not necessarily because alcohol causes depression. I've been sober for vast stretches. 1/3 of the last year I didn't drink a drop (took two two month periods off). 4 months the year before straight. All I realized is that alcohol helps me to cope. Being sober leads to me sleeping 12 hours a day and sabotaging my life EVEN MORE than before. Seriously, it's rather pathetic that I am better at university while drinking, but I am, because without the occasional consciousness reset I can't cope. Alcohol helps treat depression for me. Even being hungover is better than being depressed. But this is just me. And I've tried anti-depressents, and I find alcohol to be superior.

Despite me saying this, I'm sure that in the long run this is bad, because it has lead to isolation. But I'm not sure what I could have done better. I'm honestly scared that if I tried to fully be sober that I would end things shortly.
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 08:55:43
May 05 2012 08:54 GMT
#7
On May 05 2012 17:31 TheAmazombie wrote:
I am sorry you feel this way. Your description reminds me of this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkdKl37G5Y

I hope you can find strength and help to get you back on your feet friend.

EDIT: Posted the wrong Phil Ochs song at first. Fixed.


That's a good song. And I'm usually a metalhead so not generally my style, Thanks for posting.

The only problem with it is that I hate the first lyric. The colder the wind blows the more alive I feel. I hate that metaphor.
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 09:10:10
May 05 2012 09:00 GMT
#8
On May 05 2012 17:25 Roe wrote:
I know it's kind of cheap and cliche, but do you have any family? They would most likely stay by your side until the end.

But before we get to the end of things, ask yourself why do you need a social lubricant? What are you trying to escape? What about social interaction is frightening?

Keep your chin up, the long-term may be far off, but it's far off from imaginary. Every thing you do from this day forward will have an impact on the rest of your life as well as the lives of others.


I want connection with people. I want friends, But my natural state of being is so very withdrawn and concealed. Alcohol helps to fix this. It has helped in the past. Every girlfriend I've had, and many good friends ive met since college have occured thanks to alcohol helping with this defect.

Social interaction is frightening because I am afraid of myself, to some extent. I am weird. I don't hold myself in high esteem.

I agree that everything we do will effect us in the future. I wish I understood that earlier in my life. These days I struggle with this fact.
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 09:07:43
May 05 2012 09:06 GMT
#9
On May 05 2012 17:39 Aphasie wrote:

...You will often chance upon people too, so just be sure to take the opportunity when it presents itself. But meeting new people all the time, bah, that is more often than not a total waste of time (and good alcohole). The aesthetical/lyrical high alchohole gives you is best enjoyed in solitude. At least thats my opinion.


I have a hard time arguing with this. And I find alcohol helps me recapture the openness of my youth. While sober I would have never really listened to the song posted earlier, but while drunk I gladly will and I can appreciate it despite the preconceptions sober-me has. I find myself often annoyed while drunk because people won't appreciate the aesthetic input that I am inclined to. It's like getting high in that sense, but more cerebreal and less spiritual.

Drinking alone though has it's problems. The worst of all is the willingness to lose yourself in a very isolated state, which may come back to bite you rather harshly. But when I listen to new music, play old games, talk to old friends, write poetry and music....alcohol helps with the creative and adventurous spirit so much.
BearStorm
Profile Joined September 2010
United States795 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 09:10:54
May 05 2012 09:10 GMT
#10
Do you have any hobbies in which you can try to meet people through? I am a 2nd year phd student who has recent left undergrad. Graduate school is nothing like undergrad where you don't really interact with nearly as many people. I understand leaving highschool/undergrad makes it harder to connect to quality people you would like to establish friendship/relationships with, but you should try to meet people through hobbies. It's easy to discuss hobbies and overtime you will meet friends of your friends. Just go into things making the best of it. Don't go in trying to become good friends with people, but instead try to have the best time you can while sharing it with others.
"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 09:50:19
May 05 2012 09:44 GMT
#11
On May 05 2012 17:11 trias_e wrote:
I used alcohol as a social lubricant from the ages of 18-25. I might have a drink or two at night by myself, but for the most part I was drinking entirely socially. And, to a good extent, it helped! I attribute a few good friendships, and many fantastic experiences, more or less to the group/alcohol interaction. There were some downsides of course, but all in all I think it enriched my earlier experiences.

But these days, I have been more isolated. I continue drinking, but more often alone. And the more I go down this route, the more I find drinking isn't the same social lubricant as it was before. Instead, I find myself forced to get shitfaced just to go out to a bar or talk to people I don't know. Facing social interaction requires me getting so drunk that I am not a good person to be around for the most part. And the last few times I've gone out, I've realized I would far more enjoy just drinking alone and playing some video games than dealing with this fact.

I realize however that this is a terrible long-term strategy. I will die miserable and alone. But my social interactions give me such a negative emotional response, and alcohol has ceased to help this fact. I have a hard time figuring out why I shouldn't just stay isolated and drink. It seems to optimize my happiness in the short-term. And the long-term can go fuck itself, because it is ethereal and imaginary. My sanity on a day to day basis is tangible and real.

But...when I wake up the next morning, I always feel regret, feel that I am wasting my life, feel that I am pathetic.

Fuck.


I'm in MA (Marijauna Anon) and I regularly go to AA because I need it to stay sober right now. I feel like reading your post you could get a lot of help from AA but you can only get help if you want it. I think you will find a lot of people with similar stories and thoughts if you start going to different AA meetings until you find one your comfortable with.

Isolating is not good and neither is getting shitfaced. I'm not here to make you feel worse about yourself because honestly your probably a much better person than you think. Asking others for help is extremely hard for me, but I'm learning to do it. Your bottom will be where you want it to be.

I'm not going to call you anything, but what I can say is this. I was doing a lot of the things you were doing (with a different substance) and I needed help to quit using. I'm a Fucking Stoner Addict and I needed a power greater than myself (whatever you want to call it, mine right now is just the fellowship I get from MA) to stop.

Edit: AA isn't just about not drinking, its about learning about yourself and becoming a better person so that you don't sabotage your own life.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=328491
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 09:55:05
May 05 2012 09:52 GMT
#12
I think I may intepret these lyrics differently than intended.

But it's a beautiful song.



Our course is our own, I know we're to blame
We're born into shame, to live in despair

I feel such pity for what we've become
Our needs and desires...our weakness, our pain

Our need to fulfil, the urges we feel
It weakens our will, it brings us great pain

A flood of hatred surges inside
Control it, deny it...let it run free

I can't run away...I can't hide from myself
It is what I am...it is what we are

Look around and see...pathetic human beasts
We have written our own ending

How can we live with ourselves
Our jealousy, our tyranny
The lives we make, the lives we take
The fools we serve, the fools we are

Brazen in our final days
Our time on top is near on end
It's clear to me we'll never change
It's clear that I will never change
The tragedy of life we live
The tragedy of life we'll see
We call it human nature
The seducer of mankind

Our course is our own, I know we're to blame
We're born into shame, to live in despair
A flood of hatred surges inside
Control it, deny it...let it run free

I can't run away...I can't hide from myself
It is what I am...it is what we are
Look around and see...pathetic human beasts
We have written our own ending

How can we live with ourselves
Our jealousy, our tyranny
The lives we make, the lives we take
The fools we serve, the fools we are



But!

Why I love metal is that there is hope. There is vengeance. Never, never, never fucking give up. I would never survive without this.



Not all of us choose to believe
Some of us choose to live
Not all of us follow so blindly
And accept all that we hear

Maybe you're not so smart
To look outside yourself
Maybe you've chosen unwisely
In the God you've made your own
I'll be my own leader
I'll be my own saviour
I'll be the strength that carries
I'll be the light that guides...me
I will make you see
Your devotion is in vain
I'll be the one left standing
When all of you are kneeling
And smiling, so content
I'll wipe the smiles off your faces

Don't you dare pity me
I've made my choice and I'll prove you wrong

My voice will thunder through the heavens
And my flames of hatred burn
I believe in me and only me
And I bow to no sovereign


I bow to no fucking sovereign.

trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
May 05 2012 10:11 GMT
#13
On May 05 2012 18:44 Wrongspeedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 17:11 trias_e wrote:
I used alcohol as a social lubricant from the ages of 18-25. I might have a drink or two at night by myself, but for the most part I was drinking entirely socially. And, to a good extent, it helped! I attribute a few good friendships, and many fantastic experiences, more or less to the group/alcohol interaction. There were some downsides of course, but all in all I think it enriched my earlier experiences.

But these days, I have been more isolated. I continue drinking, but more often alone. And the more I go down this route, the more I find drinking isn't the same social lubricant as it was before. Instead, I find myself forced to get shitfaced just to go out to a bar or talk to people I don't know. Facing social interaction requires me getting so drunk that I am not a good person to be around for the most part. And the last few times I've gone out, I've realized I would far more enjoy just drinking alone and playing some video games than dealing with this fact.

I realize however that this is a terrible long-term strategy. I will die miserable and alone. But my social interactions give me such a negative emotional response, and alcohol has ceased to help this fact. I have a hard time figuring out why I shouldn't just stay isolated and drink. It seems to optimize my happiness in the short-term. And the long-term can go fuck itself, because it is ethereal and imaginary. My sanity on a day to day basis is tangible and real.

But...when I wake up the next morning, I always feel regret, feel that I am wasting my life, feel that I am pathetic.

Fuck.


I'm in MA (Marijauna Anon) and I regularly go to AA because I need it to stay sober right now. I feel like reading your post you could get a lot of help from AA but you can only get help if you want it. I think you will find a lot of people with similar stories and thoughts if you start going to different AA meetings until you find one your comfortable with.

Isolating is not good and neither is getting shitfaced. I'm not here to make you feel worse about yourself because honestly your probably a much better person than you think. Asking others for help is extremely hard for me, but I'm learning to do it. Your bottom will be where you want it to be.

I'm not going to call you anything, but what I can say is this. I was doing a lot of the things you were doing (with a different substance) and I needed help to quit using. I'm a Fucking Stoner Addict and I needed a power greater than myself (whatever you want to call it, mine right now is just the fellowship I get from MA) to stop.

Edit: AA isn't just about not drinking, its about learning about yourself and becoming a better person so that you don't sabotage your own life.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=328491


I'm just not sure why I should quit drinking. My life without it seems worse. The only thing I am worried about is using it a crutch and then finding myself later on regretting it. But right now it seems to be right.

I think maybe AA meetings are a kind of church. It's a matter of finding social connectedness. We partake because we don't have that. By replacing it, we help with the problem.

The problem with that is that I can't be a part of a church. I was raised mormon, and I rejected that when I was 10. I reject orthodoxy out of habit and princible. A very strong combination.

There is no power greater than yourself.

Some of us just need convincing of it to follow it. But it's like following a faulty premise to a reasonable conclusion. If you look deep, it will disintegrate.
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
May 05 2012 10:29 GMT
#14
On May 05 2012 19:11 trias_e wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 18:44 Wrongspeedy wrote:
On May 05 2012 17:11 trias_e wrote:
I used alcohol as a social lubricant from the ages of 18-25. I might have a drink or two at night by myself, but for the most part I was drinking entirely socially. And, to a good extent, it helped! I attribute a few good friendships, and many fantastic experiences, more or less to the group/alcohol interaction. There were some downsides of course, but all in all I think it enriched my earlier experiences.

But these days, I have been more isolated. I continue drinking, but more often alone. And the more I go down this route, the more I find drinking isn't the same social lubricant as it was before. Instead, I find myself forced to get shitfaced just to go out to a bar or talk to people I don't know. Facing social interaction requires me getting so drunk that I am not a good person to be around for the most part. And the last few times I've gone out, I've realized I would far more enjoy just drinking alone and playing some video games than dealing with this fact.

I realize however that this is a terrible long-term strategy. I will die miserable and alone. But my social interactions give me such a negative emotional response, and alcohol has ceased to help this fact. I have a hard time figuring out why I shouldn't just stay isolated and drink. It seems to optimize my happiness in the short-term. And the long-term can go fuck itself, because it is ethereal and imaginary. My sanity on a day to day basis is tangible and real.

But...when I wake up the next morning, I always feel regret, feel that I am wasting my life, feel that I am pathetic.

Fuck.


I'm in MA (Marijauna Anon) and I regularly go to AA because I need it to stay sober right now. I feel like reading your post you could get a lot of help from AA but you can only get help if you want it. I think you will find a lot of people with similar stories and thoughts if you start going to different AA meetings until you find one your comfortable with.

Isolating is not good and neither is getting shitfaced. I'm not here to make you feel worse about yourself because honestly your probably a much better person than you think. Asking others for help is extremely hard for me, but I'm learning to do it. Your bottom will be where you want it to be.

I'm not going to call you anything, but what I can say is this. I was doing a lot of the things you were doing (with a different substance) and I needed help to quit using. I'm a Fucking Stoner Addict and I needed a power greater than myself (whatever you want to call it, mine right now is just the fellowship I get from MA) to stop.

Edit: AA isn't just about not drinking, its about learning about yourself and becoming a better person so that you don't sabotage your own life.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=328491


I'm just not sure why I should quit drinking. My life without it seems worse. The only thing I am worried about is using it a crutch and then finding myself later on regretting it. But right now it seems to be right.

I think maybe AA meetings are a kind of church. It's a matter of finding social connectedness. We partake because we don't have that. By replacing it, we help with the problem.

The problem with that is that I can't be a part of a church. I was raised mormon, and I rejected that when I was 10. I reject orthodoxy out of habit and princible. A very strong combination.

There is no power greater than yourself.

Some of us just need convincing of it to follow it. But it's like following a faulty premise to a reasonable conclusion. If you look deep, it will disintegrate.



Not to dis on those songs. But what is wrong with being willing and open to others, then accepting what YOU want and what YOU believe. I guess those lyrics are great if you want to just hate and be alone. Honestly that is not human nature, and even you have friends and people who care for you (I care about you). You don't have to bow to anyone to listen to what they have to say and then form your own opinion.

Bow to yourself. Kneel before the person you could be and ask him whats right for you. I don't believe in God, but I believe that there are other people who know more than me, and I'm willing to keep my ears open just incase one of them speaks the truth if only for a moment.

"Life as we know it, our daily life, is a process of becoming. I am poor and I act with an end in view, which is to become rich. I am ugly and I want to become beautiful. Therefore my life is a process of becoming something. The will to be is the will to become, at different levels of consciousness, in different states, in which there is challenge, response, naming, and recording. Now, this becoming is strife, this becoming is pain, it is not? It is a constant struggle: I am this, and I want to become that."

Alcohol does not give you anything that you do not already possess. Just like smoking weed never made me better at anything no matter how hard I tried to convince myself it did. Truth is in reality and the relationships we have. I am not better than you and I would never ask you to bow to anyone. You expressed pain, and you also expressed that you had to cope with it. Why cope with it when you could get rid of it completely?

There is no power greater than yourself? Really, does that make you God? Does that mean God exists to you? I don't believe in God. I believe that a group of people who care as much about each other as they do themselves is a power greater than myself on my own.

I'm not telling you to go somewhere and believe every fucking word they say. I'm telling you to go somewhere and listen to what they have to say, take the bits and pieces that apply to you, and right your own ship. Some AA meetings are pretty strict and some people will tell you that God is the only higher power. Who gives a fuck, maybe they are wrong, maybe they are right.

It doesn't matter how deep I look, I cannot disentegrate how I feel about something if I went into it with a willing and open mind. If I don't go into it willing and open, then I will do exactly as you said. Be honest with yourself. Alcohol can give you some moments of happiness, but they don't last (weed made me happy for a long time).

When you were learning to play starcraft, did you automatically know everything? If so why aren't you winning the GSL every season? The best players started as scrubs, learnt what they could from others, and formed their own ideas. None of them did it alone. Life is no different.

I cannot say that AA will *cure* you, or that you will like every meeting you go to. I asked you to try for yourself, because I was in the same situation (content to just get high alone and be angry at the world), and its exactly what I need right now. I don't need another bowl to smoke to *cope* with my problems, because as soon as I come down all of my problems remain.

I agree that there is no perfect system or way of living for all people. But there is a better way. Progress not Perfection. I didn't need any convincing to follow MA. I knew I was coping with my problems and I felt like a piece of shit because of it. You will know nothing about AA until you go to some meetings and honestly share your stories with others.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 10:57:14
May 05 2012 10:36 GMT
#15
"One of the things, it seems to me, that most of us eagerly accept and take for granted is the question of beliefs. I am not attacking beliefs. What we are trying to do is to find out why we accept beliefs; and if we can understand the motives, the causation of acceptance, then perhaps we may be able not only to understand why we do it, but also be free of it. One can see how political and religious beliefs, national and various other types of beliefs, do separate people, do create conflict, confusion, and antagonism -which is an obvious fact; and yet we are unwilling to give them up. There is the Hindu belief, the Christian belief, the Buddhist - innumerable sectarian and national beliefs, various political ideologies, all contending with one other, trying to convert one other. One can see, obviously, that belief is separating people, creating intolerance; is it possible to live without belief? One can find that out only if one can study oneself in relationship to a belief. Is it possible to live in this world without a belief - not change beliefs, not substitute one belief for another, but be entirely free from all beliefs, so that one meets life anew each minute? This, after all, is the truth: to have the capacity of meeting everything anew, from moment to moment, without the conditioning reaction of the past, so that there is not the cumulative effect which acts as a barrier between oneself and that which is."

Believing in nothing is still a belief.

Edit: Just to add some more of my own thoughts. I'm only 23 years old. I smoked pretty much daily since I was 16. And regardless about how you feel about my last 2 posts. I love you, because I see parts of myself in you. And not just because of any Ego I may have. I fucking love you because of your pain and you deserve love. I love that you were honest and put your story into a blog.

In the past I cared so much about what I thought, that I was too afraid to open myself up to others. I was comfortable with my thoughts but not how everyone recieved them. You deserve better than what you have had in the past, regardless of what anyone says (oh you have it better than people in 3rd world countries! Some would say... Fuck that! Money doesn't buy happiness). I hope you discover who you are and I am thankful for you helping me discover who I am.

I need some sleep, but I'm glad I was up at 3 am to see your blog now.

~Cool Runnings
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 11:02:58
May 05 2012 10:56 GMT
#16


I'm in MA (Marijauna Anon) and I regularly go to AA because I need it to stay sober right now. I feel like reading your post you could get a lot of help from AA but you can only get help if you want it. I think you will find a lot of people with similar stories and thoughts if you start going to different AA meetings until you find one your comfortable with.

Isolating is not good and neither is getting shitfaced. I'm not here to make you feel worse about yourself because honestly your probably a much better person than you think. Asking others for help is extremely hard for me, but I'm learning to do it. Your bottom will be where you want it to be.

I'm not going to call you anything, but what I can say is this. I was doing a lot of the things you were doing (with a different substance) and I needed help to quit using. I'm a Fucking Stoner Addict and I needed a power greater than myself (whatever you want to call it, mine right now is just the fellowship I get from MA) to stop.

Edit: AA isn't just about not drinking, its about learning about yourself and becoming a better person so that you don't sabotage your own life.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=328491


I'm just not sure why I should quit drinking. My life without it seems worse. The only thing I am worried about is using it a crutch and then finding myself later on regretting it. But right now it seems to be right.

I think maybe AA meetings are a kind of church. It's a matter of finding social connectedness. We partake because we don't have that. By replacing it, we help with the problem.

The problem with that is that I can't be a part of a church. I was raised mormon, and I rejected that when I was 10. I reject orthodoxy out of habit and princible. A very strong combination.




Not to dis on those songs. But what is wrong with being willing and open to others, then accepting what YOU want and what YOU believe. I guess those lyrics are great if you want to just hate and be alone. Honestly that is not human nature, and even you have friends and people who care for you (I care about you). You don't have to bow to anyone to listen to what they have to say and then form your own opinion.


I don't want to hate and be alone. But I want to be strong.


Bow to yourself. Kneel before the person you could be and ask him whats right for you.


This is a damn good quote.


"Life as we know it, our daily life, is a process of becoming. I am poor and I act with an end in view, which is to become rich. I am ugly and I want to become beautiful. Therefore my life is a process of becoming something. The will to be is the will to become, at different levels of consciousness, in different states, in which there is challenge, response, naming, and recording. Now, this becoming is strife, this becoming is pain, it is not? It is a constant struggle: I am this, and I want to become that."



Life is becoming, if you take a positive look on it.

I like this.



Alcohol does not give you anything that you do not already possess. Just like smoking weed never made me better at anything no matter how hard I tried to convince myself it did. Truth is in reality and the relationships we have. I am not better than you and I would never ask you to bow to anyone. You expressed pain, and you also expressed that you had to cope with it. Why cope with it when you could get rid of it completely?



Alcohol helps me socially like caffiene helps you take a test. It augments what was already there. With social anxiety the helpful effects of alcohol are clear and obvious. They do help you to be what you are not, to some extent. You would take other drugs without trepditation to fix that same problems, even though they may have even worse side effects.



There is no power greater than yourself? Really, does that make you God? Does that mean God exists to you? I don't believe in God. I believe that a group of people who care as much about each other as they do themselves is a power greater than myself on my own.

There is no god, and while I respect tradition and those before me I know that they do not understand me, I have been fundamentally betrayed by advice, and there are no easy answers from tradtion. Caring is wonderful, but how can anyone relate to you unless they have experienced life through your eyes?
Wrongspeedy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1655 Posts
May 05 2012 11:04 GMT
#17
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On May 05 2012 19:56 trias_e wrote:
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I'm in MA (Marijauna Anon) and I regularly go to AA because I need it to stay sober right now. I feel like reading your post you could get a lot of help from AA but you can only get help if you want it. I think you will find a lot of people with similar stories and thoughts if you start going to different AA meetings until you find one your comfortable with.

Isolating is not good and neither is getting shitfaced. I'm not here to make you feel worse about yourself because honestly your probably a much better person than you think. Asking others for help is extremely hard for me, but I'm learning to do it. Your bottom will be where you want it to be.

I'm not going to call you anything, but what I can say is this. I was doing a lot of the things you were doing (with a different substance) and I needed help to quit using. I'm a Fucking Stoner Addict and I needed a power greater than myself (whatever you want to call it, mine right now is just the fellowship I get from MA) to stop.

Edit: AA isn't just about not drinking, its about learning about yourself and becoming a better person so that you don't sabotage your own life.

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=328491


I'm just not sure why I should quit drinking. My life without it seems worse. The only thing I am worried about is using it a crutch and then finding myself later on regretting it. But right now it seems to be right.

I think maybe AA meetings are a kind of church. It's a matter of finding social connectedness. We partake because we don't have that. By replacing it, we help with the problem.

The problem with that is that I can't be a part of a church. I was raised mormon, and I rejected that when I was 10. I reject orthodoxy out of habit and princible. A very strong combination.

There is no power greater than yourself.

Some of us just need convincing of it to follow it. But it's like following a faulty premise to a reasonable conclusion. If you look deep, it will disintegrate.



Not to dis on those songs. But what is wrong with being willing and open to others, then accepting what YOU want and what YOU believe. I guess those lyrics are great if you want to just hate and be alone. Honestly that is not human nature, and even you have friends and people who care for you (I care about you). You don't have to bow to anyone to listen to what they have to say and then form your own opinion.

I don't want to hate and be alone. But I want to be strong.



Bow to yourself. Kneel before the person you could be and ask him whats right for you.


This is a damn good quote.

+ Show Spoiler +

"Life as we know it, our daily life, is a process of becoming. I am poor and I act with an end in view, which is to become rich. I am ugly and I want to become beautiful. Therefore my life is a process of becoming something. The will to be is the will to become, at different levels of consciousness, in different states, in which there is challenge, response, naming, and recording. Now, this becoming is strife, this becoming is pain, it is not? It is a constant struggle: I am this, and I want to become that."



Life is becoming, if you take a positive look on it.

I like this.



Alcohol does not give you anything that you do not already possess. Just like smoking weed never made me better at anything no matter how hard I tried to convince myself it did. Truth is in reality and the relationships we have. I am not better than you and I would never ask you to bow to anyone. You expressed pain, and you also expressed that you had to cope with it. Why cope with it when you could get rid of it completely?



Alcohol helps me socially like caffiene helps you take a test. It augments what was already there. With social anxiety the helpful effects of alcohol are clear and obvious. They do help you to be what you are not, to some extent. You would take other drugs without trepditation to fix that same problems, even though they may have even worse side effects.



There is no power greater than yourself? Really, does that make you God? Does that mean God exists to you? I don't believe in God. I believe that a group of people who care as much about each other as they do themselves is a power greater than myself on my own.

There is no god, and while I respect tradition and those before me I know that they do not understand me, I have been fundamentally betrayed by advice, and there are no easy answers from tradtion. Caring is wonderful, but how can anyone relate to you unless they have experienced life through your eyes?
[/QUOTE]

I thought of that because earlier today I was at an AA meeting and they were talking about higher powers and I remembered I have a Daisho in my room. I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to kneel before my Daisho and pray to it (because I have a hard time Praying and I find Meditatiing relatively easy). It made me think of how Samurai thought of Daisho as their "soul". Regardless of how I am each day, I will never be perfect. But inside of me there is a better person, I can pray for his guidance I think. I will try tomorrow.
It is better to be a human dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied.- John Stuart Mill
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
May 05 2012 11:15 GMT
#18
It made me think of how Samurai thought of Daisho as their "soul". Regardless of how I am each day, I will never be perfect. But inside of me there is a better person, I can pray for his guidance I think. I will try tomorrow.


I love this thought process.

We can improve. We have the path in front of us. It is a matter of introspection and understanding that can guide us.

Thank you for your posts.
MethodSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States928 Posts
May 05 2012 12:50 GMT
#19
I mean if you don't want to talk to anyone about your problems and want to solve them yourself the easiest way would be shrooms or dmt.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 13:47:44
May 05 2012 13:45 GMT
#20
On May 05 2012 21:50 MethodSC wrote:
I mean if you don't want to talk to anyone about your problems and want to solve them yourself the easiest way would be shrooms or dmt.

Yes, the way to fix wanting to 'take a break' from regular life with alcohol is to take other mid-altering substances.

On May 05 2012 19:56 trias_e wrote:
Show nested quote +


There is no power greater than yourself? Really, does that make you God? Does that mean God exists to you? I don't believe in God. I believe that a group of people who care as much about each other as they do themselves is a power greater than myself on my own.

There is no god, and while I respect tradition and those before me I know that they do not understand me, I have been fundamentally betrayed by advice, and there are no easy answers from tradtion. Caring is wonderful, but how can anyone relate to you unless they have experienced life through your eyes?

Put harshly: You are not unique, and neither are your experiences. Tradition might not offer answers, but other people that faced similar issues might. It's hard to discuss alcohol use with people close to you, and support groups are the easiest way to do so anonymously. I'm not saying you should, but if you feel concious about your alcohol use there's no harm in going just once.

Alcohol rapidly becomes a crutch in social situations, at least it did for me, and my solution has been simply not drinking in social situations where I don't trust/know the people that are attending. I'll drink at times when going out with close friends, I will never ever drink with colleagues or other acquaintances. You'll rapidly get better at socializing without alcohol, it just takes practice, and you'll probably end up with more meaningful relationships because of it. It just requires getting over that initial anxiety.
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