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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
April 12 2012 05:58 GMT
#41
Foreigners will need to wait for HoTS where there will be a metagame (heh) reset and they will again stand a chance at winning some tournaments. When things stabilise, foreigners will quickly fall behind again.
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-13 12:56:10
April 13 2012 12:55 GMT
#42
On April 12 2012 00:14 ImbaTosS wrote:
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On April 11 2012 23:27 deathly rat wrote:
Every time a non-Korean wins somebody writes a blog about how the foreigner scene is catching up, and every time Koreans win some tourneys somebody writes about how Koreans own white dudes. It's not either of these things. There are obviously a lot of very good players from Korea, probably more top level players than the rest of the world combined, but there are also very good non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition. This state of affairs isn't changing from week to week, or even month to month, that's just how it is and will be for the foreseeable future.

Where on earth do you get the idea of "non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition". That's proven completely false by actual, real-world statistics and facts, many of which are right there in the article!


Does Naniwa have to do more than crush his Code S group in order to prove to you that there are some top international players that can compete with the best Korea has to offer?
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ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
April 13 2012 15:22 GMT
#43
On April 13 2012 21:55 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 00:14 ImbaTosS wrote:
On April 11 2012 23:27 deathly rat wrote:
Every time a non-Korean wins somebody writes a blog about how the foreigner scene is catching up, and every time Koreans win some tourneys somebody writes about how Koreans own white dudes. It's not either of these things. There are obviously a lot of very good players from Korea, probably more top level players than the rest of the world combined, but there are also very good non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition. This state of affairs isn't changing from week to week, or even month to month, that's just how it is and will be for the foreseeable future.

Where on earth do you get the idea of "non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition". That's proven completely false by actual, real-world statistics and facts, many of which are right there in the article!


Does Naniwa have to do more than crush his Code S group in order to prove to you that there are some top international players that can compete with the best Korea has to offer?


I guess youre excited for another ro16 appearance.
NeMeSiS3, Portlandian, Reason,
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
April 13 2012 15:39 GMT
#44
On April 14 2012 00:22 ecstatica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 21:55 deathly rat wrote:
On April 12 2012 00:14 ImbaTosS wrote:
On April 11 2012 23:27 deathly rat wrote:
Every time a non-Korean wins somebody writes a blog about how the foreigner scene is catching up, and every time Koreans win some tourneys somebody writes about how Koreans own white dudes. It's not either of these things. There are obviously a lot of very good players from Korea, probably more top level players than the rest of the world combined, but there are also very good non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition. This state of affairs isn't changing from week to week, or even month to month, that's just how it is and will be for the foreseeable future.

Where on earth do you get the idea of "non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition". That's proven completely false by actual, real-world statistics and facts, many of which are right there in the article!


Does Naniwa have to do more than crush his Code S group in order to prove to you that there are some top international players that can compete with the best Korea has to offer?


I guess youre excited for another ro16 appearance.


Not really, i was the one saying that top foreigners are able to compete with top Koreans
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ecstatica
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States542 Posts
April 13 2012 17:05 GMT
#45
On April 14 2012 00:39 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 00:22 ecstatica wrote:
On April 13 2012 21:55 deathly rat wrote:
On April 12 2012 00:14 ImbaTosS wrote:
On April 11 2012 23:27 deathly rat wrote:
Every time a non-Korean wins somebody writes a blog about how the foreigner scene is catching up, and every time Koreans win some tourneys somebody writes about how Koreans own white dudes. It's not either of these things. There are obviously a lot of very good players from Korea, probably more top level players than the rest of the world combined, but there are also very good non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition. This state of affairs isn't changing from week to week, or even month to month, that's just how it is and will be for the foreseeable future.

Where on earth do you get the idea of "non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition". That's proven completely false by actual, real-world statistics and facts, many of which are right there in the article!


Does Naniwa have to do more than crush his Code S group in order to prove to you that there are some top international players that can compete with the best Korea has to offer?


I guess youre excited for another ro16 appearance.


Not really, i was the one saying that top foreigners are able to compete with top Koreans


You can argue those were not top koreans that naniwa beat. And "compete" implies more than falling out in the first round past group stage.
NeMeSiS3, Portlandian, Reason,
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
April 13 2012 18:50 GMT
#46
On April 14 2012 02:05 ecstatica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 00:39 deathly rat wrote:
On April 14 2012 00:22 ecstatica wrote:
On April 13 2012 21:55 deathly rat wrote:
On April 12 2012 00:14 ImbaTosS wrote:
On April 11 2012 23:27 deathly rat wrote:
Every time a non-Korean wins somebody writes a blog about how the foreigner scene is catching up, and every time Koreans win some tourneys somebody writes about how Koreans own white dudes. It's not either of these things. There are obviously a lot of very good players from Korea, probably more top level players than the rest of the world combined, but there are also very good non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition. This state of affairs isn't changing from week to week, or even month to month, that's just how it is and will be for the foreseeable future.

Where on earth do you get the idea of "non-Koreans that would compete with the best in the GSL or any competition". That's proven completely false by actual, real-world statistics and facts, many of which are right there in the article!


Does Naniwa have to do more than crush his Code S group in order to prove to you that there are some top international players that can compete with the best Korea has to offer?


I guess youre excited for another ro16 appearance.


Not really, i was the one saying that top foreigners are able to compete with top Koreans


You can argue those were not top koreans that naniwa beat. And "compete" implies more than falling out in the first round past group stage.


You can't say that GSL is the only competition where you can judge skill, and then say that the people in code S aren't top players.
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