• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 15:15
CET 21:15
KST 05:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [D] Hacker peak in sc2 ? Liquibets sc2 season 30 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery Rollback Netcode in Brood War Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Stratus: Battle for the sky now on steam Early acc Deus Ex 3!?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Playlenda
Playlendapro
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7462 users

The 11th Commandment of E-sports

Blogs > ChristianS
Post a Reply
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
March 21 2012 00:47 GMT
#1
Ronald Reagan famously talked about the so-called "11th Commandment" that Republicans should follow. Namely: Thou shalt not attack other Republicans. The idea was that Republicans are sometimes in competition with each other (for instance, in primaries), but they largely believe in similar causes. And those causes are hurt when Republicans are attacked, so Republicans should focus their criticisms on Democrats and, through unity, prevail in elections. Given that Ronald Reagan won two terms and is, to this day, one of the most popular republican presidents in history, one might conclude that this policy worked well for him.

The Starcraft community is diverse, and often disagrees on significant issues. Quite passionately, even (balance, anyone?). And I wouldn't have it any other way. But the community agrees on one thing: namely, that Starcraft is awesome, the professional scene is enjoyable, and we'd like for it to grow, get bigger, and have more resources dedicated to the cause. And when that issue is in the balance, we should be unified as a community. The obvious (and beaten to death) example is the recent controversy regarding Orb, and the conclusion that is generally drawn is that everyone in the community should be very, very slow to contact sponsors with complaints.

I'd like to take that message one step further. I'll call it the 11th Commandment of E-sports. And rather than state it myself, I'd like to quote Barrin from his recent post about mapmaking:
On March 17 2012 02:33 Barrin wrote:
One should not call for a revolution without asking the ever-important question: Does this hurt eSports?


This is not to say that no action can ever be taken if it might harm e-sports in any way. If EG announces tomorrow that they not only will not fire Orb, but in fact support and endorse his comments, I'll call their sponsors myself. If the goal you want to achieve is important enough that the harm to e-sports is regrettable but acceptable collateral damage, then go ahead. But any decision that might hurt e-sports deserves the utmost consideration, and you should always ask if there's another way, or if it's really that important, when those issues are in play.

TL;DR: Thou shalt not hurt e-sports.

*
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
March 21 2012 00:52 GMT
#2
E-sports for the sake of growing E-sports I do not support at all. Fuck. That. SHIT.

E-sports because you love to play the game that you play and would like to see others play the game is perfectly acceptable and should be encouraged, even if I personally do not have fun playing SC2.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
March 21 2012 01:04 GMT
#3
Play or watch. "Growing e-sports" just means that you think that content that falls under the heading "e-sports" is good content, and there should be more of it in the world. If you love MLG and want there to be more content like MLG, that's growing e-sports. If you love playing Starcraft, and want to share that passion with other people, that's growing e-sports. It's not some creepy religion, it's just some people that like what an entertainment industry has to offer and want that industry to succeed.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 01:19:43
March 21 2012 01:14 GMT
#4
On March 21 2012 10:04 ChristianS wrote:
Play or watch. "Growing e-sports" just means that you think that content that falls under the heading "e-sports" is good content, and there should be more of it in the world. If you love MLG and want there to be more content like MLG, that's growing e-sports. If you love playing Starcraft, and want to share that passion with other people, that's growing e-sports. It's not some creepy religion, it's just some people that like what an entertainment industry has to offer and want that industry to succeed.


I am just warning against that mentality of "This is something we MUST DO for the sake of Esports." I like passionate people. I don't like people wanting to make a quick buck off of E-sports because it's the new thing right now and they support it by saying "this is for E-sports!"

Seeing the people on this site and elsewhere, I'd say that there's a lot more passionate people than people out to make a quick buck, so I'd say future of E-sports is good right now.

Just remember: E-sports should never be above your love of a game.

Edit: @Thaniri yeah i pressed enter before I finished typing, so sorry about that.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 01:18:18
March 21 2012 01:17 GMT
#5
We don't need to do it jpak, but the people on teamliquid spend hours every day thinking about and playing Starcraft. We want to let people know about our passion, so why not make a professional industry of our great hobby and show people 'yeah, look what we can do.'

Edit: You bastard, editting your comment as I reply to it.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
March 21 2012 01:26 GMT
#6
Hmm... warning of what, exactly? That we WILL become a creepy religion? That there will be a witch hunt for those that are hurting e-sports? Okay fine, creepy religions and witch hunts are bad.

I'm just saying that we are a community built around the idea that this game is awesome and we'd like it to be bigger, better, and more awesome. But to do that, we have to get our shit together so the rest of the world is willing to trust us with sponsorships, or willing to give Starcraft a chance, etc. Angry, torch-wielding Reddit mobs just make people scared of e-sports, which doesn't do anyone any good. For that matter, Orb spouting racial pejoratives because he's ladder raging makes the world scared of e-sports, too (and he has most certainly apologized for that).

I promise not to kidnap your children and practice bizarre rituals on them "for e-sports." But if we as a community want to become more mainstream and get more sponsorships, viewership, etc. we first have to become the kind of community that can BE mainstream. Otherwise we'll always be a niche market for nerds that get indignant when someone tells them to stop spouting racism when they lose.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
March 21 2012 03:18 GMT
#7
On March 21 2012 10:14 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 10:04 ChristianS wrote:
Play or watch. "Growing e-sports" just means that you think that content that falls under the heading "e-sports" is good content, and there should be more of it in the world. If you love MLG and want there to be more content like MLG, that's growing e-sports. If you love playing Starcraft, and want to share that passion with other people, that's growing e-sports. It's not some creepy religion, it's just some people that like what an entertainment industry has to offer and want that industry to succeed.


I am just warning against that mentality of "This is something we MUST DO for the sake of Esports." I like passionate people. I don't like people wanting to make a quick buck off of E-sports because it's the new thing right now and they support it by saying "this is for E-sports!"

Seeing the people on this site and elsewhere, I'd say that there's a lot more passionate people than people out to make a quick buck, so I'd say future of E-sports is good right now.

Just remember: E-sports should never be above your love of a game.

Edit: @Thaniri yeah i pressed enter before I finished typing, so sorry about that.

Worst is the. OMG BW needs to ----> SC2 so we can overtake LoL.... FOR ESPUURTS DERP.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 21 2012 03:49 GMT
#8
Really now? How about respect thy neighbor?

This whole notion wreaks of

Here's why. F it, I'll just make a direct comparison. You don't have to be a sports fanatic like me (notice how I didn't say esports). I watch all kinds of sports. Basketball, baseball, hockey, MMA, etc. You name it; I watch it. I respect all the athletes and what they have to go through. Doesn't matter the sport. However, I don't expect everyone to have this same mentality. E-Sports and Sports are similar in this nature. Not everyone is going to enjoy watching baseball. They just cannot appreciate it. That's fine.

So this whole notion and vague term of esports is a complete fucking joke.

You want all esports to grow. Fine. This is a gaming website for Starcraft first and foremost. Don't expect everyone to appreciate or follow every single gaming title known to man. I follow quite a few myself, but I'm not going to shove it down people's throats.

Not my style.

Get over esports and celebrate the games you enjoy.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
March 21 2012 21:04 GMT
#9
It's always fascinating to me how people never see a distinction between "share with someone" and "shove down other people's throats." A big part of "growing e-sports" is just trying to get more corporate sponsors so companies like MLG can produce more/better content. What on earth is so offensive about that? The hope, then, is that more people who ALREADY WOULD ENJOY STARCRAFT find out about it because it gets more attention. If they don't want to watch, nobody on earth is making them watch it. If they are kinda curious but have something better to do at the moment, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

E-sports is not big brother coming into your house and telling you how to spend your time. It's not even a missionary proselytizing in hopes of finding converts. It's pretty much just offering a product to people via advertising, and if they want it, they'll seek out that product. So unless Coke is not "respecting its neighbors" (Not one of the Ten Commandments, nor is it even said in the Bible. "Love thy neighbor" is at least something Jesus said) when they advertise on television, then that's really just a moot point.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32164 Posts
March 21 2012 21:12 GMT
#10
So you're literally arguing that people shouldn't have contacted EG/sponsors and said some dumbshit affiliated with your team/product is running around calling people niggers on a stream?? lol
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
dGHaiL
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States177 Posts
March 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#11
On March 22 2012 06:12 Hawk wrote:
So you're literally arguing that people shouldn't have contacted EG/sponsors and said some dumbshit affiliated with your team/product is running around calling people niggers on a stream?? lol


I don't think you understand the point of the OP's reference to that situation.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 00:08:28
March 22 2012 00:07 GMT
#12
On March 22 2012 06:04 ChristianS wrote:
It's always fascinating to me how people never see a distinction between "share with someone" and "shove down other people's throats." A big part of "growing e-sports" is just trying to get more corporate sponsors so companies like MLG can produce more/better content. What on earth is so offensive about that? The hope, then, is that more people who ALREADY WOULD ENJOY STARCRAFT find out about it because it gets more attention. If they don't want to watch, nobody on earth is making them watch it. If they are kinda curious but have something better to do at the moment, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

E-sports is not big brother coming into your house and telling you how to spend your time. It's not even a missionary proselytizing in hopes of finding converts. It's pretty much just offering a product to people via advertising, and if they want it, they'll seek out that product. So unless Coke is not "respecting its neighbors" (Not one of the Ten Commandments, nor is it even said in the Bible. "Love thy neighbor" is at least something Jesus said) when they advertise on television, then that's really just a moot point.


That's the thing. It's about developing your own brand. I don't think Blizzard gives two shits about any game that isn't on their label. The term esports is stupid on a corporate level in that regard. I've already touched base on the personal interest level:

If you ALREADY ENJOY Starcraft you will watch regardless. Your interest level is already there. This is why gaming is by definition a niche market. You aren't going to watch something that doesn't peak your interest.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
March 24 2012 21:07 GMT
#13
It's by definition a "niche market" in that not everyone will enjoy watching Starcraft, that's true. In which case all I'm arguing is that the niche could be a lot bigger than it is now. Starcraft isn't all that obscure or esoteric. It's shit blowing up on a screen, to the tune of two guys trying to kill each other. I absolutely believe there are people out there who would love watching Starcraft, but either don't know about it, or think it's too nerdy for them, or didn't quite understand what was going on and would enjoy it a lot more if somebody told them what was going on. If for no reason, I think those people are out there because I was one at some point, and I'm sure there are more like that.

The more friendly, the more grown-up our community is, the more it is ready for time in the public eye. And the more time it spends in the public eye, the more people that would like to watch Starcraft but haven't for some reason will come and enjoy. That's not forcing it on anyone; if they don't like Starcraft, then more exposure to Starcraft won't change their mind. If the community behaves awfully and it gets public attention, it could make things worse, but as long as that doesn't happen, then more time in the spotlight would either a) make more people aware of/excited about the scene, or if you're really right and anyone who might have interest in Starcraft is already in the community, then b) nobody joins the community, but Starcraft becomes a little more culturally accepted.

On March 22 2012 06:12 Hawk wrote:
So you're literally arguing that people shouldn't have contacted EG/sponsors and said some dumbshit affiliated with your team/product is running around calling people niggers on a stream?? lol

Uh, yes. It was an absurd over-reaction without even waiting for EG's response. Reddit is nothing if not a mob of uninformed people, so it doesn't surprise me that the torches and pitchforks came out so quickly, but that doesn't mean it was justified.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
05:00
RO24 Group F
Cross vs Puma
Artosis vs Spine
LiquipediaDiscussion
IPSL
02:00
Ro24 Group D
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Airneanach143
Liquipedia
IntoTheTV X SOOP
20:00
Premier - Final Day
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 144
ProTech139
BRAT_OK 79
Ketroc 19
EmSc Tv 17
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 123
ggaemo 16
Terrorterran 3
LuMiX 1
Dota 2
qojqva3235
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2116
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox464
Mew2King88
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu569
Khaldor151
Other Games
summit1g6764
tarik_tv6031
Grubby2723
Liquid`RaSZi1898
singsing1488
FrodaN1483
PiGStarcraft389
Fuzer 165
QueenE97
NeuroSwarm37
Railgan30
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1179
gamesdonequick767
Counter-Strike
PGL80
StarCraft 2
EmSc Tv 17
EmSc2Tv 17
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 38
• Reevou 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 22
• FirePhoenix15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV483
League of Legends
• Nemesis2427
• Jankos2045
Other Games
• imaqtpie1106
• Shiphtur236
• tFFMrPink 20
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 45m
Replay Cast
1d 2h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 13h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 15h
YoungYakov vs Lambo
SHIN vs TBD
Percival vs Shameless
Solar vs TBD
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
IPSL
5 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
IPSL
6 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-06
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.