I'm gonna win a beer if you find me sc2 replay - Page 2

On March 13 2012 07:51 Eiaco wrote:
Hellions are what you would describe as absolutely fucking useless in TvP.

On March 13 2012 06:49 Br3ezy wrote:
because colsi have 9 range and most likely 99% of protoss's will get colsi in their army composition. With a hellion range of 5, you can't do much to pick off the zealots unless you catch him severely off guard, which is not a factor that you can control

On March 13 2012 10:12 Yamulo wrote:

It is logic like this that prevents people from innovation. Don't ever say anything is useless or bad just because people don't use it, I mean I remember when people didn't use motherships at all and now they are the ultimate end game in PvZ/PvP. I guess something similar would be how terrans never went ghost against zerg until a few months ago, but that ended up getting nerfed T_T.

On March 13 2012 08:25 dAPhREAk wrote:
wasnt the whole point of the HOTS change to hellions (they morph into some transformer looking thing) because they suck ass against zealot/archon mixes?

On March 13 2012 08:46 dragonborn wrote:
Socke vs dde Shoutcraft final @metapolis

On March 13 2012 08:50 Lexpar wrote:
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On March 13 2012 09:09 PH wrote:
Hellions are very difficult to control alongside a MMM bio ball. I've tried it as well, granted not at a meaningfully high level. The big issue is that they just handle very clumsily alongside your bio units. They're also extremely weak to colossi, especially since medivacs can't heal them.

On March 13 2012 10:12 Yamulo wrote:

It is logic like this that prevents people from innovation. Don't ever say anything is useless or bad just because people don't use it, I mean I remember when people didn't use motherships at all and now they are the ultimate end game in PvZ/PvP. I guess something similar would be how terrans never went ghost against zerg until a few months ago, but that ended up getting nerfed T_T.

On March 13 2012 10:30 7mk wrote:


well they certainly dont die to colossi as fast as marines...




Well using mothership in PvZ was very risky with the old NP range. But overall I still agree with you.

All I know for sure is that hellions were definitely underused in PvT before the blue flame nerf... they killed zealots so ridiculously fucking fast it was just sad.


@OP I just know that TLO had a hellion + bio opening as his standard opening that he went for every TvP before he switched to Zerg. And I remember some Jinro games where he did some hellion play but I only remember his first attack, not sure about late game.

On March 13 2012 11:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Would you consider Warden to be a pro? He made extensive use of blue flame hellions in a terran bio mech army iirc.

On March 13 2012 13:20 celious wrote:
There are many problems with hellions in TvP in the way that you suggested. Zealot charge will just destroy hellions their dps is too low and it takes to many of them to actually be effective its more efficient to get more MMM. Hellions wont benefit from bio upgrades and zealots are too spread out after charging to be used as a support unit.

They're good for sniping units that are out of position such as templar and sentries but ghosts can do this as well its just not worth the minerals. Also good for mineral line harass but good players will be able to defend it quite easily.

On March 13 2012 13:24 Luepert wrote:
Speak of the devil, Jinro is on stream right now with mmm+hellions. Winning vs Masters Korean tosses.

On March 13 2012 13:36 FinestHour wrote:
Speak of the devil, MKP just won with a match with reactor hellions against CreatorPrime. There you go

On March 13 2012 14:51 OrangeSoda wrote:
Does goody still do mech vs P? im sure he makes helions vs p.

On March 13 2012 06:58 beetlelisk wrote:

Yeah but when you engage you kite stuff anyways so why not add Hellions to your mix? There are also times when Vikings kill all of the Colossi and Protoss switches to pure HTs for some time.
Its easy to sacrifice the hellions for the supply after they get their shit done, not every game is a slugfest with no engagements until 200 supply.

Protoss wants to have his zeals in front, so what that Hellions lose to Stalkers if Stalkers lose really badly to bio?
What's more there is always gonna be some small hole where zeals will leak to engage and die 1 by 1 which is also good for terran.

You get my thanks ^^ I don't know what I can give you, beer is for 50-90 cents in Poland.
We played a game but sadly my offracing is bad (I'm a Z user) so I lost and later he decided to be a stubborn faggot and just kill me instead of letting me show him how much zeals I can kill with Hellions.
BTW YABOT is something about unit testing right?

It is logic like this that prevents people from innovation. Don't ever say anything is useless or bad just because people don't use it, I mean I remember when people didn't use motherships at all and now they are the ultimate end game in PvZ/PvP. I guess something similar would be how terrans never went ghost against zerg until a few months ago, but that ended up getting nerfed T_T.

On March 14 2012 00:15 Recognizable wrote:


Go try it yourself, hellions are useless. 2 marines>>>>>>>>1 hellion. Hellions get raped by everything, especially chargelots.



It is logic like this that assumes it hasn't been tried already by Terrans. I know I have, and whilst it is effective in a way, marines/marauders are just better. THe problem is in a straight up fight when you can't kite, hellions are practically useless, they are also too flimsy and take too much damage during kiting.