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Put simply, recently there was a test on expository writing. My class wasn't allowed to bring our research into the test but another class was allowed to.
I'm trying to force a re-test for the whole level with reason being an unleveled playing field.
Am I right , doing this? It's a pretty big test, making up about 50% of the term's grade.
Additional information-
I'm 15, so I'm in high school, as most of you guys call it. Secondary school for the rest.
The class that was allowed to bring their research in is taught by a different teacher from mine. However, they should all be following the same instructions given out by the English department in my school.
Also, on the topic of favouritism, you can consider my class to be inferior to the other as they are taking a total of 8 subjects while my class only takes 7.
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You guys got it all wrong, the teachers are supposed to give out the same instructions/directions for taking out the test with per-set protocols by the English department. I stated it in the OP I think, I hope I have made it even clearer now.
  
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In college?
Need more facts.
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I'd argue on your side. The test breaks the rules of reliability and validity imo.
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No, it sounds like the way the test was handled by your prof was unfair to me. Should be the same conditions for all classes, except in specific circumstances, for example people with disabilities, etc.
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I don't think it's a huge deal. It may be that your professor favors your class and thought the other class needed a handicap. You're correct that it was unprofessional, though.
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For 50% of your grade? Yeah, I'd definitely fight for that grade.
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Not enough information.
If the exams were the same or of the same structure and with the same or similar questions at a comparable problem difficulty and all students within the different class sections are subject to the same syllabus, then yes you should have the same setup across the board. If the exams were different and one exam was specifically geared to be with materials and the other without materials, then the exams were different, and are not really comparable.
Professors running the same classes (e.g. an econ 101 class) don't necessarily all have the same syllabus or test setups and/or difficulty. Some tests may be geared more toward an understanding of concepts, and then reference materials can just be used to look up little details, or they can be geared toward factual answers and methodology, in which case normally you are not given access to materials. If such differences exist between the tests themselves, then they aren't really comparable, and there is really no reason for force a re-test.
I don't believe professors are required to follow a common syllabus or test quality/setup (may depend on institution). If that in and of itself is a fair comparison/assessment is another issue.
Edit: To Clarify
To request a re-test the following should be true:
1) The test weighting for both classes as per the syllabus is the SAME (e.g. for both classes, the exam is worth 50% of the grade)
2) The test layout for both classes is the same (e.g. both tests are 40 multiple-choice questions + an essay).
3) The difficulty of the questions on both of the exams are the approximately the same.
4) Both tests were geared to test the same type of knowledge (e.g. memorization of dates).
If the test given to both classes fit the criteria above, it is definitely unfair that one class was given an advantage over another and you should protest.
However, different professors teach different materials. They have different grading systems, and their tests can be significantly different. A test asking for factual information like dates can't really be compared directly to a test looking for an understanding of conceptual knowledge and ability to express that. This would likely be reflected in a difference in structure (e.g. a test looking for factual information is more likely to be multiple-choice or fill-in-the-blank style, a test looking for conceptual knowledge will have multiple essays or 'problems' to solve instead.) If both tests had both elements, but in different amounts, it is again difficult to directly compare the exams, and hard to make a case. If you still want to protest, then you need to think about it carefully first. How was it unfair? Are the exams and classes even really comparable?
Sometimes you get easier teachers, sometimes you get harder teachers, just in the same way that sometimes you will get better teachers, and sometimes worse teachers. Grades aren't everything, and they aren't necessarily fair. It is impossible to impose any kind of universal standard if the teaching approaches are fundamentally different, and if the tests were fundamentally different. You can try to make a case, but don't expect to win it.
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If they mark you guys easier probably not, if they don't then i'd consider saying something about it.
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yeah Was it the same teacher giving it to another one of his classes or a different teacher? I know if its a different teacher then well you shouldn't win the fight as teachers can do it how they want.
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Sorry for not adding more info, I updated the OP.
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If they make your class retake it, allowing the research, then it's great and you can hopefully improve your grade.
However, if they make the other class retest without the information, then you are hurting other people for no benefit of your own, which kind of makes you a dick, and I hope you are prepared to make quite a few enemies.
If the school decides that each teacher can do whatever the hell they want, then you are simply being a nuisance.
You should be able to get a feel for whether your professor was in the wrong, or whether the other professor was. If you really have NO CLUE, then I would personally keep my mouth shut.
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If it's a different teacher it seems ok to me.
The other class may as well complain that their teacher will be much harsher when grading the test because they could bring the research results.
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Yes you are right doing it, the answer is obvious.
Should you though?
No, its a waste of time.
It's highschool man, ur 15 the grade wont even matter in the long run too heavily.
It was definitely unfair but knowing how highschools work and their schedule and deadlines I doubt your teacher will schedule a retest.
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Not a big deal unless the same person is grading both, where obviously yours looks worse compared to theirs.
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Because its two different teachers then dont fight it because they can teach differently and do what they want. When you get to college everything is going to be decided by the teacher. I took a comp 101 class that focused on WW2 based lit to focus the class and dropped it due to a conflict with my schedule. I took the class again the next semester with a diff teacher and the focus was about malls and how they have changed american culture (the same class as the WW2 one.) I then took comp 102 with another different teacher and he used the mall again so i had the same readings and similar assignments for a class that was supposed to build on 101..
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Fight for that shit make a stand fuck those pricks be a man don't subdue to injustice this is a fucking outrage tell the teacher you want it to be fair or you'll fucking smash her face if I hear you wuss out I'll come find the teachers myself and claim equality. For sparta
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On February 17 2012 14:53 run.at.me wrote:
Fight for that shit make a stand fuck those pricks be a man don't subdue to injustice this is a fucking outrage tell the teacher you want it to be fair or you'll fucking smash her face if I hear you wuss out I'll come find the teachers myself and claim equality. For sparta
Calm the fuck down.
If this is considered standardized testing, I'd voice a concern.
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It is incredibly unfair, but knowing school, if you do do this you will be proclaimed as a snitch/various other words.
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I'd say that if it was a different teacher, than they probably can get away with giving that test however they want.
I had some experience with this last year as one teacher was giving out much more extra credit work compared to the others of the same class. A bunch of students complained, and so the teachers no longer give extra credit.
I am not sure if you can force a retest, but I would try and make sure that you aren't making a bunch of people hate you for lowering their grades with the retest.
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You're wasting your time. Different teachers have different protocols and grade differently. Yes, you areblowing this out of proportion.
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You guys got it all wrong, the teachers are supposed to give out the same instructions/directions for taking out the test with per-set protocols by the English department. I stated it in the OP I think, I hope I have made it even clearer now.
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On February 17 2012 15:52 Azera wrote:
You guys got it all wrong, the teachers are supposed to give out the same instructions/directions for taking out the test with per-set protocols by the English department. I stated it in the OP I think, I hope I have made it even clearer now.
Well then it's quite clear that you are in the right and the test procedure was conducted unfairly.
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I had a teacher in HS who blatantly favored one class over the others. One class might have a series of essays due, but another wouldn't; one would have tests later, the others wouldn't. Completely different assignments sometimes too, different activities and reading. Fun stuff. Keeps you on your feet.
I personally wouldn't make a fuss.
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Thanks for the advice guys! :D
Woah so close to 1000!
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On February 17 2012 15:52 Azera wrote:
You guys got it all wrong, the teachers are supposed to give out the same instructions/directions for taking out the test with per-set protocols by the English department. I stated it in the OP I think, I hope I have made it even clearer now.
How do you know this? Did an administrator tell you this?
In my highschool the entire third year class had to do a final project, the project was the same for everyone but the specific details and way of grading was different for whatever teacher you had.
You might be right about what you posted above, idk your school or the way the school system works but (im a education minor) from what I have experienced and witnessed a department very rarely tells a teacher how to grade or how to conduct the test. The test might be the same for both classes but one teacher could be grading harder hence why he/she let them bring in extra stuff to help take the test.
The problem with asking TL about this is none of us go to your school, know your teachers, or the department. Just go to the head of the English department and tell him about it and ask if the teachers are allowed to do that and if not ask for a retest.
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If you easily completed your test like a boss, ezmode, you would not even complain about the circumstances. Seems like you are not gosu enough yet. And would not need the sympathy of online peoplz. If you really thought it was unfair, you would QQQQQQ like a boss to everyone in the school district and protest.
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arent you the person who made a blog earlier about not having friends for a project?
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On February 18 2012 01:28 Josh111 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 15:52 Azera wrote:
You guys got it all wrong, the teachers are supposed to give out the same instructions/directions for taking out the test with per-set protocols by the English department. I stated it in the OP I think, I hope I have made it even clearer now. How do you know this? Did an administrator tell you this? In my highschool the entire third year class had to do a final project, the project was the same for everyone but the specific details and way of grading was different for whatever teacher you had. You might be right about what you posted above, idk your school or the way the school system works but (im a education minor) from what I have experienced and witnessed a department very rarely tells a teacher how to grade or how to conduct the test. The test might be the same for both classes but one teacher could be grading harder hence why he/she let them bring in extra stuff to help take the test. The problem with asking TL about this is none of us go to your school, know your teachers, or the department. Just go to the head of the English department and tell him about it and ask if the teachers are allowed to do that and if not ask for a retest.
Just take what I've said to be true, I know this because I know how the English dept. works, the HOD of English knows me well and I know her well too. The thing is she wasn't at school the past few days so I couldn't contact her.
On February 18 2012 01:52 0123456789 wrote:
If you easily completed your test like a boss, ezmode, you would not even complain about the circumstances. Seems like you are not gosu enough yet. And would not need the sympathy of online peoplz. If you really thought it was unfair, you would QQQQQQ like a boss to everyone in the school district and protest.
Easymode? Probably. My language was great but content wise, not so much. Really needed my research during the test.
On February 18 2012 01:54 Br3ezy wrote:
arent you the person who made a blog earlier about not having friends for a project?
Yeah! hi!
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