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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 13:36:30
February 01 2012 13:30 GMT
#1
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wwJd)El_Mojjo
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden173 Posts
February 01 2012 13:36 GMT
#2
If I could racepick I would play random in every game.

Oh wait... =)
Gc.El_Mojjo
Flanagan
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States166 Posts
February 01 2012 13:40 GMT
#3
You could just learn one specific all in for PvP. One that comes to mind that would be semi challenging to pull off would be the 3-4 phoenix all in, where you use the phoenix to get rid of the sentries, and just a-move up the ramp. Or a robo build with an immo timing, blink timing....

My point is, your PvP doesn't have to be expansive. Just figure out one build (a short one if PvP isn't "fun," do the build), get the 8 starcraft minutes out of the way.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
February 01 2012 13:54 GMT
#4
2 gate proxy ultimate build pvp.

I have the same sentiments though.
Jaedong :3
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
February 01 2012 14:00 GMT
#5
I thought the next line would be "then I'd never face a Korean".
Don't hate the player, hate the game
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
February 01 2012 14:04 GMT
#6
I absolutely hate ZvZ even though I've probably lost more ZvP than ZvZ, but the match up is so predictable and sometimes just goes down the fine line so often that it isn't 'fun' anymore. Now I 9 pool just about every ZvZ, doesn't matter if I win or lose though it has improved my <12 pool games significantly. Once in a while I'll attempt to go standard and open speedling expand or hatch first and get sourly reminded of why I'm terrible at ZvZ playing ling/bling all ins and should just try to kill my opponent as fast as possible or die trying.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
February 01 2012 14:15 GMT
#7
I've wanted the possibility to do this since the first day of beta..

one thing tho, when people say "go play custom games" i dont think they mean random custom games, but customs with practice partners, which are pretty easy to find.
Also I've actually found PvP to be really fun now tho, the whole dynamic for example in blink vs robo wars is very intense and makes for cool games to play. Unfortunately yesterday I only got matched up vs protosses on tal darim.. T_T

So yeah if you dont enjoy a matchup, become good at it, then it will be more fun ^^
race picking would be amazing though of course
beep boop
kanada
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada255 Posts
February 01 2012 14:15 GMT
#8
On February 01 2012 22:36 wwJd)El_Mojjo wrote:
If I could racepick I would play random in every game.

Oh wait... =)


I thought this was someone who has difficulty picking a race and therefore must random, i guess not
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:21:37
February 01 2012 14:20 GMT
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 14:29:05
February 01 2012 14:23 GMT
#10
I think the optimal (imba) race-picking scheme would be: TvZ, ZvP, TvT, based on this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299837
Ideally PvT should be there instead of TvT, but that doesn't seem to be the case yet.

edit: Funny to note is that replacing ZvP with TvP would - in the moment - also work well, so... just playing Terran is pretty close to optimal race-picking vs each race. Interesting.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12387 Posts
February 01 2012 14:24 GMT
#11
ZvZ is better than PvP for sure.
PvP is almost only about 4 gate but ZvZ at the very least has some different variations of openings and style.

(I would totally veto out zvp through, god, the amount of x-gate all-in is unbelievably high, at least 80% of the toss I face are doing it)
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
February 01 2012 14:24 GMT
#12
I recently started playing zerg and I was doing ok in ZvT and ZvP and then about 10 games in got a ZvZ and was like

'Oh. OH. I have to play this match up! Shit!'

I lost 2 without having any idea what to do, then I googled it and watched Destiny's 'Unbeatable ZvZ Build'.

Tried it once and it won easily, and ever since then I've just gone with that. Works pretty fucking well to be fair.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
February 01 2012 14:26 GMT
#13
On February 01 2012 23:24 ETisME wrote:
ZvZ is better than PvP for sure.
PvP is almost only about 4 gate but ZvZ at the very least has some different variations of openings and style.

(I would totally veto out zvp through, god, the amount of x-gate all-in is unbelievably high, at least 80% of the toss I face are doing it)


lol plz what are you talking about... 4 gate is so easy to hold on all maps with a ramp
beep boop
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
February 01 2012 14:37 GMT
#14
Had a friend who just 6pooled every ZvZ and played normally in the other matchups.

He was surprisingly successful.
mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
February 01 2012 14:48 GMT
#15
On February 01 2012 23:37 Dfgj wrote:
Had a friend who just 6pooled every ZvZ and played normally in the other matchups.

He was surprisingly successful.


I gotta try this someday.
Starcraft 2 and eSports enthusiast. https://twitter.com/#!/mrGRAPETV | http://mrgrapetv.wordpress.com/
Jehct
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
New Zealand9115 Posts
February 01 2012 14:51 GMT
#16
Why not just say "fuck my ladder ranking" and leave every PvP? You'd enjoy ladder a ton more and it's a lot more efficient than cheesing every PvP (time-wise) with similar results lol. Either way it's a billion times better than trying to learn from random customs O_o
"You seem to think about this game a lot"
Groovy112
Profile Joined March 2011
Lithuania18 Posts
February 01 2012 15:02 GMT
#17
If you want to improve you will play those games and if you play for fun and dont care just leave and and pick another
What goes up must come down
Ixtlilton
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-01 15:19:03
February 01 2012 15:18 GMT
#18
A while ago I decided to switch to terran, after about a month TvT is why I decided to switch back. For some reason I just didn't get that matchup and ended up with about a 20% winrate, really I think I won ~4 games out of 20 I played.

Strangely enough though as opposed to you I actually really enjoy pvp and only really lose if I go 1 gate robo and they do a phoenix build or if they just have godly blink micro. That said I also really like tvp so my racepick would probably be 50/50 tvp/pvp, tvz, and pvt.
How about a nice slice of quiche?
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
February 01 2012 15:54 GMT
#19
It was quite common for most foreigners to avoid TvT (thus avoiding to learn the matchup) by one picking PvT in BW, see Phoenix in TSL2. However I didn't do this, and found TvT to be the most fun matchup to play, because you couldn't feel bad about inballanced shit cuz, well, you both had the same stuff. Then it wasn't a "oh well you went XYZ and it killed me, this sucks, how unfair" but a true mirror matchup, where it is totally dependent on your skill and control.

That being said, I can understand your disdain. ... it is Protoss afterall <:
Yea I wish you could race-pick in SCII too, then I'd baneling bust T every game (:
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Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
February 01 2012 17:38 GMT
#20
i'd play TvP, ZvT, PvZ
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