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Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
January 20 2012 21:11 GMT
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 20 2012 21:15 GMT
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raiders + ensnare makes UD rage. Also be wary of tower rush
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Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
January 20 2012 21:17 GMT
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groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 21:18:57
January 20 2012 21:18 GMT
#4
actually ud can tower rush and it was relatively common too since bm gets disgusting later on

they use blight scrolls and build zigs in front of orc base

also for maps
echo isles
turtle rock
twisted meadows and
omfg im forgetting my maps @@
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
January 20 2012 21:18 GMT
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BM being OP and OvUD isn't going to matter at all if you're both new, its not like their broken or anything either. It is in Orcs favour but it is only slightly in the grand scheme of things. Good maps include Twisted Meadows, Terenas Stand, Echo Isles, Gnoll Wood, Melted Valley to name a few.
A basic orc composition is grunts, raiders and spirit walkers, though walkers are rarer in OvUD because of destroyers. Use raiders to ensnare stuff while your BM goes to town on them. At tier 2, creep with your army and Shadow Hunter while harassing with BM.
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
January 20 2012 21:20 GMT
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maps with fountains favor orc.google item stacking on the blademaster and try to use it in your gameplay.play offensive with grunt/raider blademaster/shadowhuter(or taurenchieftain on bigger maps) and later on you can switch to mass wyvern after your expansion and focus on sniping the death knight.
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groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
January 20 2012 21:20 GMT
#7
AHH ty Lyter melted valley and terenas stand I remember those

Oh and secret valley
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
January 20 2012 21:21 GMT
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JoelE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 21:23:04
January 20 2012 21:21 GMT
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Unfortunately for you the UD vs ORC imba thing is really only at the very top levels. At lower levels (like top ladder) undead is way more forgiving and usually can crush.

So for maps, play on Twisted Meadows.

For orc, get a blade master, a few grunts, and upgrade your town hall once. Then get raiders and grunts and out micro him. Research ensnare on your raiders, which lets you trap air and ground units. If he gets air, make sure to trap them. Micro!

EDIT: Since your new to wc3, i wouldn't worry about getting and learning caster units. If you can use basic bw rts mechanics well you should do fine with simple blademaster+raider+grunt.
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Phyrigian
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January 20 2012 21:24 GMT
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ArvickHero
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10387 Posts
January 20 2012 21:28 GMT
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one thing about playing WC3 that will go against the very foundations of your SC RTS experience is that you must stop making workers, very early on. It sure as hell did make me feel incredibly awkward lol

A good build is needed to be followed not just some general composition advice, since WC3 is such a different game .. unfortunately I don't remember any specific builds other than what my friend was telling me over my shoulder lol, and searching online for such builds/guides was generally a fruitless endeavor in my experience
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Dubsys
Profile Joined July 2007
Australia122 Posts
January 20 2012 21:29 GMT
#13


Here's a handy vid that shows grubbys opening to get a BM + 4 Grunts out.
I haven't played WC3 in so long that i can barely remember a proper BO so i really hope this helps
Patience is bitter, but it bears sweet fruit.
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
January 20 2012 21:30 GMT
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Phyrigian
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-20 21:39:42
January 20 2012 21:31 GMT
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On January 21 2012 06:24 Phyrigian wrote:
jesus guys, thanks for all the advice, i appreciate is all so very much.

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On January 21 2012 06:20 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
maps with fountains favor orc.google item stacking on the blademaster and try to use it in your gameplay.play offensive with grunt/raider blademaster/shadowhuter(or taurenchieftain on bigger maps) and later on you can switch to mass wyvern after your expansion and focus on sniping the death knight.


what are some good orc maps that dont escape the norm of play and are still relatively balanced but would just give me a slight edge with a fountain or something? and thanks for your advice. I know you don't expand very early in war3 (in fact, much the opposite!) but is there any general guide as to whens a good idea. Also, since hes from sc2 but hasnt played in ages (which is why im not afraid to post this blog here :p) he might try early expand. this is probably suicide in war3, but if he was to how should i respond to fuck him over and kill him.

Secret Valley comes to my mind. You can creep the healfountains very fast, where you have a good chance to get a useful item for the blademaster. However, if you have never really played wc3; I would recommend staying away from blademaster. Also, build an orc shop. the healing salves you can buy there are incredibly good if you some micro to save yout units. Remember, in wc3 saving units is at least as important as killing stuff.
edit: blademaster takes a lot of his usefulness from being able to solocreep single creeps on special spots, and from being able to scout/harass your opponent, which requires some knowledge about what and when to attack. Far Seer (1st skill wolves) would be my hero. Just dont let your wolves die and use lighning only when you have the perspective of killing something (hint: with the newer patches, it is possible to always showing health bars is available in the menu). But then again, Far seer is my most loved hero, and depending on your level, any hero might work, blademaster is just a little less straightforward imho.
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
January 20 2012 21:34 GMT
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kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
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Last Edited: 2012-01-20 21:41:24
January 20 2012 21:39 GMT
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On January 21 2012 06:34 Phyrigian wrote:
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On January 21 2012 06:31 Mafe wrote:
On January 21 2012 06:24 Phyrigian wrote:
jesus guys, thanks for all the advice, i appreciate is all so very much.

On January 21 2012 06:20 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
maps with fountains favor orc.google item stacking on the blademaster and try to use it in your gameplay.play offensive with grunt/raider blademaster/shadowhuter(or taurenchieftain on bigger maps) and later on you can switch to mass wyvern after your expansion and focus on sniping the death knight.


what are some good orc maps that dont escape the norm of play and are still relatively balanced but would just give me a slight edge with a fountain or something? and thanks for your advice. I know you don't expand very early in war3 (in fact, much the opposite!) but is there any general guide as to whens a good idea. Also, since hes from sc2 but hasnt played in ages (which is why im not afraid to post this blog here :p) he might try early expand. this is probably suicide in war3, but if he was to how should i respond to fuck him over and kill him.

Secret Valley comes to my mind. You can crepp the healfountains very fast, where you have a good chance to get a useful item for the blademaster. However, if you have never really played wc3; I would recommend staying away from blademaster. Also, build an orc shop. the healing salves you can buy there are incredibly good if you some micro to save yout units. Remember, in wc3 saving units is at least as importatn as killing stuff.


hmm, if i dont use BM what should i do? hes part of the norm, isn't he? :x


Farseer used to be the standard, until people realized how much exp you are feeding the enemy with the wolves you summon. He is still viable though, just micro them wolves!

EDIT: Are you looking to win, or to play a standard game?
Dubsys
Profile Joined July 2007
Australia122 Posts
January 20 2012 21:41 GMT
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Far Seer is a great opening hero at lower levels, wolves make early creeping a cinch.
If i remember correctly far seer openings vs undead were the norm for a while because you could delay rax tech and harass with your FS but it'd be safer to get an early rax and get a few grunts out just in case he tries anything fancy or cheesy
Patience is bitter, but it bears sweet fruit.
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
January 20 2012 21:42 GMT
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