EPTSc2 tears. its starting to get irritating. - Page 2
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
Coming from a Diamond/Low Master Zerg, when you see Terran switch into ghost production, just switch back to T2. Ghosts with any decent micro shred BL/Infestor/Corruptor, so just switch back to Ling/Bling/Muta and starve him. | ||
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Humanfails
224 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302149 game two leenock vs supernova. The zerg player plays proficiently, and crushes the army with ease. THe zerg player then attacks, fails and loses the game completely, when the terran player should have been at a disadvantage from losing their army. Also, there is a whole lot of stupid going around here. I've seen GMs get killed the exact same way I was. I played nearly 100% perfectly for a GM zerg. Charlie brown, it doesnt. It took ~10-20 wins to get into diamond. I went back to plat and it took about 20-30. Im talking consecutive wins. as in WIN STREAK. It took longer because I'd played more games, so my overall average was lower. moving average doesn't exist or it is in fact bugged. But thank you all, you have convinced me to race switch, as you put it, why not play terran if zerg is shit. Well, ok im switching. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
TvZ as a Terran is just as frustrating, if not more | ||
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DusTerr
2520 Posts
On January 14 2012 18:24 Humanfails wrote: flono nice. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302149 game two leenock vs supernova. The zerg player plays proficiently, and crushes the army with ease. THe zerg player then attacks, fails and loses the game completely, when the terran player should have been at a disadvantage from losing their army. Also, there is a whole lot of stupid going around here. I've seen GMs get killed the exact same way I was. I played nearly 100% perfectly for a GM zerg. Charlie brown, it doesnt. It took ~10-20 wins to get into diamond. I went back to plat and it took about 20-30. Im talking consecutive wins. as in WIN STREAK. It took longer because I'd played more games, so my overall average was lower. moving average doesn't exist or it is in fact bugged. But thank you all, you have convinced me to race switch, as you put it, why not play terran if zerg is shit. Well, ok im switching. a) So the Z player attacking was a mistake?.. b) you claim to be playing at GM level? Really?? show us a replay. c) GL with terran. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote: also, snipe is bullshit. why does it even exist? why hasnt it been removed yet? snipe is awesome to do and watch. never remove it blizzard! it is kind of BS against a massive, armored unit like the ultralisk though. lol. how could a little sniper bullet hurt such a beast?? | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Snaiil
Sweden312 Posts
Good luck with Terran. See you in a couple of weeks when you come back crying about how you can't win with your godly Terran play and that Protoss is easier and stronger than Terran. Seriously though, just man up and get rid of your ego. That would probably be the easiest way for you to improve. | ||
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topschutter
Netherlands93 Posts
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Cooleh
United Kingdom63 Posts
On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote: because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life. did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes. sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white. also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war If you find terran so much easier to win with (and only enjoy winning, which seems to be the case), then perhaps you should play terran? If you're "bored" of the race then you have to make a decision - play a race you're not so good at, lose more, but try and enjoy the game, or just play terran which you supposedly find easier, and go and win some more games.. There are no "easy" roads to winning, it's just playing the race most suited to your playstyle | ||
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Humanfails
224 Posts
On January 14 2012 19:30 Divinek wrote: Stopped reading at I play like a god So you're saying you've never played a game where everything went right? I have better luck playing zerg by getting into their heads and blindly countering their play than by actually scouting and using that to counter build. I have better luck blindly guessing their FE and winning with an all-in than playing a long game and coming out the winner. Even when I play everything perfectly, I cant win longgame vs terran. On January 14 2012 19:45 Snaiil wrote: Stop bullshitting and post the replay so we can see your "godly" play. Good luck with Terran. See you in a couple of weeks when you come back crying about how you can't win with your godly Terran play and that Protoss is easier and stronger than Terran. Seriously though, just man up and get rid of your ego. That would probably be the easiest way for you to improve. rofl fucking wow. ego. maybe you're the egotistical one, since you brought it up. Im not very confident at all that I can keep going up, but you say its an ego thing. I am manned up pretty well actually. I accepted that I was playing with a limited hand when I chose zerg, and now Im race switching to terran since thats your best advice. When someone has no other way to insult someone because they'd rather do that than think, they bring up ego... typical. you know, if you're really sure its an ego thing. point to it. show me where it is? I've played 5000 games and all variations of builds and build orders and timings to try to win vs T and P. I've actually got a huge slew of data on my side and a 120 EAPM. Go ahead and say it ego again. On January 14 2012 18:53 DusTerr wrote: a) So the Z player attacking was a mistake?.. b) you claim to be playing at GM level? Really?? show us a replay. c) GL with terran. exactly. Zerg player in GSL kills an entire terran army. Zerg play then attacks terran base, and loses his army, and subsequently gets rolled. Read it in the GSL post. That happens to me if I attack as well. When Zerg wins a fight, you just expand, you don't attack. if you attack terran head on you lose. Doesn't that say something? regarding GM play. I copy how the GMs play, and I even do better than some. For instance, I was watching a live stream of a GM who went early third and got hit by DTs at all bases. he didnt make a blind overseer even after 11 minutes into game vs a FFE protoss on taldarim. When he finished cleaning it up, he lost about 20 drones in all over 3 bases and drug 3 overseers all to his natural, instead of 1 per base. He gets hit AGAIN at his third by dts. The protoss doesn't just spam up a force of units and take advantage of the player being weak having to remake 20 drones and not army. the zerg doesn't keep detection at every base to prevent any more damage, when failing to make detection after 11 minutes into game with a protoss in the first place. These are things I always take advantage of, making detection and keeping one per base if they went cloaked units, hitting them with a strong massed force if they let themselves lose 20+ workers... So I can say Im pretty confident yes, I play near some GMs abilities. | ||
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SnetteL
Belgium473 Posts
Relax and give credit to players where credit is due. You don't play like a god or like a GM. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On January 14 2012 20:04 Humanfails wrote: you know, if you're really sure its an ego thing. point to it. show me where it is? I've played 5000 games and all variations of builds and build orders and timings to try to win vs T and P. I've actually got a huge slew of data on my side and a 120 EAPM. Go ahead and say it ego again. You've got 5000 games played, and said you got promoted to master league last week. That's a lot of games just to get to master league, yet you're claiming to be playing at a GM level? You've proved over and over and over again that you've got a way too big ego, don't have to look any further than your replies in this thread. You're delusional, if you're playing at a GM level, you're either in GM, or VERY high master (top 100 in your region or so). | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
Around season 2 or three I got demoted from rank 5 master in like 15 games of stupid strategies. Took almost 50 to make it back, but then I got placed straight into around 35th place. The ranks and divisions don't really mean anything, and when you are a active player and try out new ideas and strategies without a smurf you get bounced around a lot. Your ladder rank is not best in life but "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women." | ||
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whistle
United States141 Posts
On January 14 2012 20:04 Humanfails wrote: you know, if you're really sure its an ego thing. point to it. show me where it is? I've played 5000 games and all variations of builds and build orders and timings to try to win vs T and P. I've actually got a huge slew of data on my side and a 120 EAPM. Go ahead and say it ego again. Problem: losing games against T and P. Potential explanations: (1) T and P are objectively better than Z (2) You play poorly vs T and P (3) You don't actually lose against them that much; the frustrating losses just stick out in your mind. Your data only confirms that you actually lose a lot against T and P (not #3). It doesn't explain why. Your enormous ego is why you are ruling out #2 and instead assuming #1. On January 14 2012 18:24 Humanfails wrote: So I can say Im pretty confident yes, I play near some GMs abilities. If you played at a near-GM level, you wouldn't have problems staying in master league of all things. Wow, you held off one timing better than a GM once, so that means your overall gameplay must be GM level, right? This is blowing my mind, I never knew you needed to make spores crawlers at each base if you scout DTs. With that valuable tidbit of knowledge I'm sure you just helped dozens of zerg players suddenly be capable of GM-level play. Is it possible that when you play your best and everything seems to go right, you play better than a GM player on an off day? Sure. A lot of people have had streaks of brilliance. But it's a far stretch to say that you play at a GM level because you watched a GM player goof hardcore on holding off DTs. You just got promoted to master league; unless it's a fresh account, your skill is nowhere near GM. When I got promoted to master league I landed rank 7. Was I high master? Hell no, my skill was probably low master. I checked my division and it had 30 people, and it looked like most people had one or two wins in that season. Sure it looked cool having the top 8 logo on my home screen, but I was under no delusions about my skill. Even now - I'm rank 3 in my division, and most people have 100+ games played. Does that mean I have high master skill? No, because there are other divisions with much higher point averages near the top. More importantly, no, because I don't play like a high master. Please don't let the fact that you once saw a star on your master league logo get to your head. I know the tone of this post was a bit harsh but if you want to get better, you need to recognize that you aren't losing games because of your race, you are losing games because of yourself. glhf. | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On the other hand, Mid/low Masters players might just be token players... I have a friend in Masters with 44 Games played total... and that's just because he can Cheese and Recover into a standard game really well... I'm pretty sure any Diamond player with 300+ games played would trounce him. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On January 14 2012 19:30 Divinek wrote: Stopped reading at I play like a god I saw that too and thought it was a bit much. Keep playing demotions suck but you need to learn when to stop playing for the day. I know that was one of my biggest issues and led to my demotion. I've fixed it though and I'm slowly climbing my way back up the ladder  | ||
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Sgonzo
Canada202 Posts
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