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I made top 8 master, after going on a 10-15 win streak. It took forever. Don't believe people when they say "games are forgotten after a while". They aren't. I went from diamond to plat, and going back to diamond took me twice as many wins in a row the next time as opposed to the first. So the whole "moving average" nonsense is just that, nonsense.
Anyway, I got top 8 master almost immediately after being pushed up into master about a week ago. Last night I lost it. And I lost it to the same person after playing them a bo3 on ladder. Previous to that, I went on a 11 loss streak, and knew I was in danger of demoting. The issue is that I was going on 10-4 games in master vs other masters. I've always had a feeling diamond is full of harder players than most master are.
Anyway, bo3 on ladder. That doesn't make sense yeah? Well it basically happened. Every time I'd hid find match, I'd get matched up to the same terran. I forget his name, but I remember being matched to him 3 times in a row so clearly.
I rolled over him 2 games in a row. This is during "primetime", so I don't even know how I got him twice in row. I hit find match and get him again. WTF. Okay, this'll be easy, I've beaten him two times, just deny his bases. I play like a god. He attacks me, I kill his entire army and expand. He attacks again, I kill his entire army and destroy a third base, expanding again. It gets to the point that we're 36 minutes in, late game. Bad Decision. Should've ended it sooner. Im sniping his expos and denying gold on metalopolis with corruptors morphed into brood lords behind his mineral lines. I'm spending this time gearing up for a complete all in push against his army. infestor brood lord, bling, ling.
He's got 15 ghosts in his main army with tanks and marines. He's starved for resourced. I have about 30 spine crawlers I massed to give me a defensive line to protect me as I remax (no zergs dont remax instantly, people need to stop saying that shit).
attack, half of my infestors get EMPd'. brood lords all instantkly sniped down, banes killed and cant get to marine/ghost army to kill them, fungal goes off, but it doesn't matter because my army goes down before it can reach them. Bullshit. I've been upgrading everything like a beast.
remax as hes pressuring my spines. Attack his attempt to gold, ghosts come in and do the same thing, although this time blings hit. FInally, he's going to be easier with a non-ghost army. a shitton of marines comes out of his main from reactor raxes, along with one or two ghosts every cycle. He loses gold and kills off my remaining army. Goes back to support tanks that were getting hit by brood lords which were killed off by 2 or 3 ghosts left there to snipe as a defensive measure against my siege unit. marines come in, stim, tanks unsiege, and then its just A move and roll over my spines, my remax comes in all split up because thats how it is with zerg bases and unit produiction. Remaxed into bite sized little chunks that can be ripped up in less than a second by a stimmed marine tank ghost army.
Game 3: Loss.
game 1,2: Win.
Demoted.
Im starting to feel the ladder is bullshit and rank doesn't matter. Im starting to feel sometimes the game is just one big coin flip, especially race selection. It all feels like bullshit.
It takes supreme control and micro to scoot back and forth in range of tanks to take out little bits of the terran army, trying to get them down to a reasonable number before your gimpy ass zerg army can run in and basically take out the tanks like a mob of civvies with sticks and rocks attacking riot police. Where's the swarminess and deadliness of the zerg mass crashing against an army like brood war?
also, snipe is bullshit. why does it even exist? why hasnt it been removed yet?
 
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On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote:
Im starting to feel the ladder is bullshit and rank doesn't matter. Im starting to feel sometimes the game is just one big coin flip, especially race selection. It all feels like bullshit.
welcome to sc2. isn't it great?
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Don't get all of your infestors EMP'ed, spread them.
Infested terrans are good, if you have a lot of infestors, its like throwing down 50 double damage marines.
Broodlords are impossible to deal with, without ghosts.
While it is a great idea to deny the gold on metal in the hole in the middle, it also completely prevents you from actually protecting your broods from snipe.
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tl; dr, everything is winnable don't whine.
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yeah it is bullshit. You can't stick people into boxes, everyone has good days and bad days and everyone has strong matchups and weak matchups. An individual player may have a ton of variance in his play and the ladder just cannot account for it.
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I stopped caring about ranks all together sometimes because of how ladder can match you with someone of random skills.
All you can hope for is that each game will turn out to be a satisfying one.
Other than that, if you want analysis on what went wrong in your game, may I suggest that you upload a replay.
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Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race?
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I feel people invest far too much into arbitrary rankings ingame. You beat him 2 out of 3 times, therefore you were the better player that day.
Seriously, stop caring about a stupid rank and you will love this game a lot more.
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On January 14 2012 14:41 Thaniri wrote:
Don't get all of your infestors EMP'ed, spread them.
Infested terrans are good, if you have a lot of infestors, its like throwing down 50 double damage marines.
Broodlords are impossible to deal with, without ghosts.
While it is a great idea to deny the gold on metal in the hole in the middle, it also completely prevents you from actually protecting your broods from snipe.
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tl; dr, everything is winnable don't whine.
I did split. thats wh only HALF got EMPd. herp.
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On January 14 2012 14:50 Spray wrote:
Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race?
because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life.
did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes.
sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white.
also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war
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Don't feel bad bro. I got demoted twice before I finally felt enlightened enough to start doing well in online cups and shit.
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Yea the ladder system is a piece of crap and yes rank means nothing. Though, you lost 11 games in a row before this best of 3... the system probably already decided it was going to demote you before those three games. Anyhow... yea starcraft makes you angry... relax or don't play. You'll probably live longer.
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On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 14:50 Spray wrote:
Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race? because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life. did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes.sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white. also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war
That's how every race loses... by making mistakes... Show me a replay of you playing zerg and making absolutely no mistakes and losing then we'll talk.
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I've been cheesed by the same protoss 4 times now, i haven't won any, which is quite surprising because my cheese defense is actually quite good for my level. Some days you just want to rage quit, I feel ya lol.
I have no problem when people play x race because when they win it shows they're superior, but don't whine about any imba if you're going to do so. If you truly believe x>y, then don't voluntarily choose y and then whine about x being better than y. I'm not a fan of shortcuts either, but when it comes to sc2, I personally play for fun, and winning is fun. sc2 is my outlet for stress relieving and enjoyment, not to be hardcore about my life views.
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On January 14 2012 15:24 frogmelter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:On January 14 2012 14:50 Spray wrote:
Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race? because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life. did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes.sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white. also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war That's how every race loses... by making mistakes... Show me a replay of you playing zerg and making absolutely no mistakes and losing then we'll talk.
remember when protoss and terrans' suggestion to late game ZvX was "don't let him get X units/lategame"? my mistake was letting it go to late game. I already acknowledged that.
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Try watching your replays after you lose. Gives you time to calm down, lets you see what went wrong (hopefully you fix it next time!) and also virtually guarantees you won't be matched against the same guy again.
edit: And I feel you, there was a time when I was real sad to get knocked down into platinum, I actually spent all of season 3 trapped there. Surprise surprise, season 4 rolled around and my placement matches put me back into diamond. Just play games and separate yourself from what league you are in or what your record is because honestly, it doesn't matter. League should not be your goal, skill should be your goal, league is just a shorthand for your win ratio.
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On January 14 2012 14:41 Selendis wrote:
yeah it is bullshit. You can't stick people into boxes, everyone has good days and bad days and everyone has strong matchups and weak matchups. An individual player may have a ton of variance in his play and the ladder just cannot account for it.
You can stick people into boxes. Then they play against each other - some of them are better than others. Nothing wrong with getting destroyed a few times. Even many times - don't sweat it, it happens to the best of us.
No bullshit.
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On January 14 2012 14:56 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 14:41 Thaniri wrote:
Don't get all of your infestors EMP'ed, spread them.
Infested terrans are good, if you have a lot of infestors, its like throwing down 50 double damage marines.
Broodlords are impossible to deal with, without ghosts.
While it is a great idea to deny the gold on metal in the hole in the middle, it also completely prevents you from actually protecting your broods from snipe.
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tl; dr, everything is winnable don't whine. I did split. thats wh only HALF got EMPd. herp.
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You split your infestors and still got half of them EMP'ed?
Thats just bad micro, you need to work on that. Try the marine split challenge, it will help. You should be splitting in small groups, and you should burn the image of an emp into your brain so that you know exactly how far you need to split.
And also, keep a ling around the perimeter of your army to see ghosts coming.
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Please provide a replay when posting about a game in the strategy forum.
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Moving average does exist. Anecdotal evidence of "it feels like it took me more games the second time" isn't valid
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You should stop whining.
Top 8 masters doesn't mean much, if anything. All the rank in your division is their to do is to give you motivation to keep playing/improve. You could be top 8 master and still have a Diamond MMR, like you. Also, chances are you were in a newly formed division when you were rank 8 master, and top 100 masters are easier than high diamond, if you're MMR was never out of the Diamond/low master range you never were truly in masters.
You really don't seem to have a good grasp on how to improve and are resorting to whining to make you're ego feel better.
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