EPTSc2 tears. its starting to get irritating. - Page 3
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
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sc2effort
Russian Federation269 Posts
Terran is not easy... nor is any other race... stop bitching watch the replay and analyze it. You will se what you didi wrong and how you could have done better. dont get mad over a ladder loss look at it as a chance to improve. | ||
MannerzMan
United States63 Posts
Also realize that the bottom level of masters is about the same as the top of diamond so the masters u play are like the diamond you play too. Also dont whine about balance. Im sure nestea would rape this terran. until you get to that level, balance is irrelevent. there are holes in your game. look for them, fix them, then become better. | ||
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CarelessPride
United States146 Posts
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phantaxx
United States201 Posts
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S2Lunar
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Panya
United States44 Posts
On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote: sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white. Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before? | ||
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frogmelter
United States971 Posts
On January 14 2012 20:04 Humanfails wrote: So you're saying you've never played a game where everything went right? I have better luck playing zerg by getting into their heads and blindly countering their play than by actually scouting and using that to counter build. I have better luck blindly guessing their FE and winning with an all-in than playing a long game and coming out the winner. Even when I play everything perfectly, I cant win longgame vs terran. Where absolutely everything went right? In a game longer than 5 minutes, nope. Are your queens at 0 energy the entire game? No? Guess what? That's a mistake. Do all your creep tumors spread the second the cooldown is done and is an overlord in place dropping creep to help it spread faster? No? I guess you're not playing with no mistakes then. And yes, playing with NO mistakes means you've played perfectly. No one in the world has played a game where everything went right. Not Nestea, not MVP, not anyone. The best way is to switch to Terran JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT and play TvZ. If it really is that easy, go win GSL. After all, even if your zerg opponents play perfectly, as long as you get to late game, you'll instantly win right? If you get crushed by other Zergs [which I'll assume you will], then you know how to counter whatever you're having trouble with. You're refusing to even try Terran because it's an "easy race", but in fact, you know that if you lose, you'll have no one to blame but yourself since it proves that Zerg can in fact beat Terran in the late game and your play isn't "perfect". But sure, keep dismissing playing TvZ for 50 or so games. I'm sure it's better for your ego and your "perfect play". hf being stuck in diamond/masters. Yes, I have read your post that you said you made some mistakes. Why you keep insisting that you've played "perfect" or "like a god" is beyond me. Have you ever considered that you made mistakes that you don't think are mistakes? If Nestea or some other world class player looked at your replays would they say exactly what you said? Or would they point out mistakes that you didn't know you had? That's because those mistakes lie outside of your scope of understanding of the game. Is it possible that the solution to your problems are also out of your scope of understanding of the game? Hell yeah it is. Teamliquid isn't very hospitable to people who blatantly balance complain. I expect a lot of posts to be on your attitude rather than trying to comfort you. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On January 14 2012 23:11 whistle wrote: If you played at a near-GM level, you wouldn't have problems staying in master league of all things. Truth is spoken. OP needs to step back and recognize holes in his play that he's not able to see, because he's not as good as he thinks he is. | ||
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Kid-Fox
Canada400 Posts
I've had the same idea about tvz as you did, only flipped. I thought it was too much more effort on the terran's part to win against zerg. My impressions were that we Terrans HAD to do damage, that we could NOT let it get late game because I couldn't deal with infestor ultra baneling/ broodlord infestor. I thought it was BS that terrans had to babysit their armies so that any time the zerg feels like a-moving, the terran had to immediately split marines, focus banelings with tanks, EMP infestors, all that battle micro instantly, or we lose our whole army. Try playing terran for a change. You'll see it takes just as much APM from the other side as yours. While Zergs need to be faster for macro (larva, larva injects, and creep spread, all of which are pretty time consuming) Terrans need to keep up on unit cycles, get a good barracks/fact/port ratio, and do battle micro at a moment's notice. After playing zerg for a bit, I have a better understanding of their weaknesses with larva and unit cost inefficiency. I suggest you play some terran and tell me what you think. If you can just EZ A-move to masters like you think because terran is just that good, then do it. Make a fool out of yourself. Everyone makes mistakes | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On January 14 2012 14:56 Humanfails wrote: I did split. thats wh only HALF got EMPd. herp. Except you didn't say you split them originally, you just said that half were emp'd. Only half could be hit you know, its not like if you don't split everything gets hit automatically. Post the replay. | ||
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Servius_Fulvius
United States947 Posts
On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote: (no zergs dont remax instantly, people need to stop saying that shit). This is probably the most true statement you made. attack, half of my infestors get EMPd'. brood lords all instantkly sniped down, banes killed and cant get to marine/ghost army to kill them, fungal goes off, but it doesn't matter because my army goes down before it can reach them. Bullshit. I've been upgrading everything like a beast. The terran's advantage is their positioning and ability to hold a position. Zerg's advantage is mobility and power through numbers. You forgeited both advantages by barelling a very expensive army into the terran strong-point. Why didn't you nydus or drop the main? Why didn't you split your army and, say, use the broodlords to attack vulnerable buildings? Mechanics will only get you so far - you need to make smart decisions. | ||
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Entropic
Canada2837 Posts
"I play like a god" | ||
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Sabu113
United States11088 Posts
On January 15 2012 04:15 Panya wrote: Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before? Not at all. Especially considering he presented the correct game theoretic interpretation after his statement. From his point of view all things held equal the burden is on the opponent to lose. He just chose an ornate way to phrase that. | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
On January 15 2012 04:15 Panya wrote: Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before? I am also bothered as well. This guy is racist. How does being Black in a chess game affect you? Because good chess players dont care what color they are. Same for SC2. As long as you play well, your race does not matter | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On January 15 2012 15:52 jidolboy wrote: I am also bothered as well. This guy is racist. How does being Black in a chess game affect you? Because good chess players dont care what color they are. Same for SC2. As long as you play well, your race does not matter Wait what? Are you trying to be funny? On January 15 2012 04:15 Panya wrote: Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before? The colours do make a difference in chess, your colour dictates your style in that game. The white player usually takes the initiative (I think that's what he means, Terran takes initiative in TvZ in SC2?), whereas the black player tries to play reactionarily. I don't play SC2, so I don't know if his analogy is correct. | ||
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elixir_gum
United States82 Posts
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blah_blah
346 Posts
On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote: I made top 8 master, after going on a 10-15 win streak. It took forever. Don't believe people when they say "games are forgotten after a while". They aren't. I went from diamond to plat, and going back to diamond took me twice as many wins in a row the next time as opposed to the first. So the whole "moving average" nonsense is just that, nonsense. Anyway, I got top 8 master almost immediately after being pushed up into master about a week ago. Last night I lost it. And I lost it to the same person after playing them a bo3 on ladder. Previous to that, I went on a 11 loss streak, and knew I was in danger of demoting. The issue is that I was going on 10-4 games in master vs other masters. I've always had a feeling diamond is full of harder players than most master are. Sorry, you were near the bottom of masters MMR wise all along, regardless of being 'top 8 master'. You beat a bunch of masters who, like you, were on their way out of masters and lost to a bunch of diamonds who were on their way out of diamond. Masters is vastly better than diamond on average, and even mid-masters is better than all of diamond, it's just that absolute top diamond and absolute bottom masters (i.e., where you are) is indistinguishable. This game has been out for almost two years, it's astonishing that people can put in thousands of games and still not have a clue how the MMR system works. On January 15 2012 18:35 elixir_gum wrote: real master level players dont get demoted true story real master level players don't get matched up with diamond players on ladder either (except once in a blue moon when someone's smurf's MMR is rising too quickly to get promoted) | ||
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Pecul
Sweden116 Posts
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Sickkiee
Japan607 Posts
Having the ability to remax consistently as opposed to a Terran who has only 'good' macro is a very big plus. It's as everyone has said however, mistakes may cost you the game man. | ||
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