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I made top 8 master, after going on a 10-15 win streak. It took forever. Don't believe people when they say "games are forgotten after a while". They aren't. I went from diamond to plat, and going back to diamond took me twice as many wins in a row the next time as opposed to the first. So the whole "moving average" nonsense is just that, nonsense.
Anyway, I got top 8 master almost immediately after being pushed up into master about a week ago. Last night I lost it. And I lost it to the same person after playing them a bo3 on ladder. Previous to that, I went on a 11 loss streak, and knew I was in danger of demoting. The issue is that I was going on 10-4 games in master vs other masters. I've always had a feeling diamond is full of harder players than most master are.
Anyway, bo3 on ladder. That doesn't make sense yeah? Well it basically happened. Every time I'd hid find match, I'd get matched up to the same terran. I forget his name, but I remember being matched to him 3 times in a row so clearly.
I rolled over him 2 games in a row. This is during "primetime", so I don't even know how I got him twice in row. I hit find match and get him again. WTF. Okay, this'll be easy, I've beaten him two times, just deny his bases. I play like a god. He attacks me, I kill his entire army and expand. He attacks again, I kill his entire army and destroy a third base, expanding again. It gets to the point that we're 36 minutes in, late game. Bad Decision. Should've ended it sooner. Im sniping his expos and denying gold on metalopolis with corruptors morphed into brood lords behind his mineral lines. I'm spending this time gearing up for a complete all in push against his army. infestor brood lord, bling, ling.
He's got 15 ghosts in his main army with tanks and marines. He's starved for resourced. I have about 30 spine crawlers I massed to give me a defensive line to protect me as I remax (no zergs dont remax instantly, people need to stop saying that shit).
attack, half of my infestors get EMPd'. brood lords all instantkly sniped down, banes killed and cant get to marine/ghost army to kill them, fungal goes off, but it doesn't matter because my army goes down before it can reach them. Bullshit. I've been upgrading everything like a beast.
remax as hes pressuring my spines. Attack his attempt to gold, ghosts come in and do the same thing, although this time blings hit. FInally, he's going to be easier with a non-ghost army. a shitton of marines comes out of his main from reactor raxes, along with one or two ghosts every cycle. He loses gold and kills off my remaining army. Goes back to support tanks that were getting hit by brood lords which were killed off by 2 or 3 ghosts left there to snipe as a defensive measure against my siege unit. marines come in, stim, tanks unsiege, and then its just A move and roll over my spines, my remax comes in all split up because thats how it is with zerg bases and unit produiction. Remaxed into bite sized little chunks that can be ripped up in less than a second by a stimmed marine tank ghost army.
Game 3: Loss.
game 1,2: Win.
Demoted.
Im starting to feel the ladder is bullshit and rank doesn't matter. Im starting to feel sometimes the game is just one big coin flip, especially race selection. It all feels like bullshit.
It takes supreme control and micro to scoot back and forth in range of tanks to take out little bits of the terran army, trying to get them down to a reasonable number before your gimpy ass zerg army can run in and basically take out the tanks like a mob of civvies with sticks and rocks attacking riot police. Where's the swarminess and deadliness of the zerg mass crashing against an army like brood war?
also, snipe is bullshit. why does it even exist? why hasnt it been removed yet?
 
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On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote:
Im starting to feel the ladder is bullshit and rank doesn't matter. Im starting to feel sometimes the game is just one big coin flip, especially race selection. It all feels like bullshit.
welcome to sc2. isn't it great?
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Don't get all of your infestors EMP'ed, spread them.
Infested terrans are good, if you have a lot of infestors, its like throwing down 50 double damage marines.
Broodlords are impossible to deal with, without ghosts.
While it is a great idea to deny the gold on metal in the hole in the middle, it also completely prevents you from actually protecting your broods from snipe.
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tl; dr, everything is winnable don't whine.
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yeah it is bullshit. You can't stick people into boxes, everyone has good days and bad days and everyone has strong matchups and weak matchups. An individual player may have a ton of variance in his play and the ladder just cannot account for it.
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I stopped caring about ranks all together sometimes because of how ladder can match you with someone of random skills.
All you can hope for is that each game will turn out to be a satisfying one.
Other than that, if you want analysis on what went wrong in your game, may I suggest that you upload a replay.
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Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race?
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I feel people invest far too much into arbitrary rankings ingame. You beat him 2 out of 3 times, therefore you were the better player that day.
Seriously, stop caring about a stupid rank and you will love this game a lot more.
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On January 14 2012 14:41 Thaniri wrote:
Don't get all of your infestors EMP'ed, spread them.
Infested terrans are good, if you have a lot of infestors, its like throwing down 50 double damage marines.
Broodlords are impossible to deal with, without ghosts.
While it is a great idea to deny the gold on metal in the hole in the middle, it also completely prevents you from actually protecting your broods from snipe.
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tl; dr, everything is winnable don't whine.
I did split. thats wh only HALF got EMPd. herp.
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On January 14 2012 14:50 Spray wrote:
Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race?
because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life.
did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes.
sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white.
also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war
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Don't feel bad bro. I got demoted twice before I finally felt enlightened enough to start doing well in online cups and shit.
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Yea the ladder system is a piece of crap and yes rank means nothing. Though, you lost 11 games in a row before this best of 3... the system probably already decided it was going to demote you before those three games. Anyhow... yea starcraft makes you angry... relax or don't play. You'll probably live longer.
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On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 14:50 Spray wrote:
Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race? because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life. did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes.sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white. also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war
That's how every race loses... by making mistakes... Show me a replay of you playing zerg and making absolutely no mistakes and losing then we'll talk.
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I've been cheesed by the same protoss 4 times now, i haven't won any, which is quite surprising because my cheese defense is actually quite good for my level. Some days you just want to rage quit, I feel ya lol.
I have no problem when people play x race because when they win it shows they're superior, but don't whine about any imba if you're going to do so. If you truly believe x>y, then don't voluntarily choose y and then whine about x being better than y. I'm not a fan of shortcuts either, but when it comes to sc2, I personally play for fun, and winning is fun. sc2 is my outlet for stress relieving and enjoyment, not to be hardcore about my life views.
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On January 14 2012 15:24 frogmelter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:On January 14 2012 14:50 Spray wrote:
Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race? because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life. did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes.sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white. also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war That's how every race loses... by making mistakes... Show me a replay of you playing zerg and making absolutely no mistakes and losing then we'll talk.
remember when protoss and terrans' suggestion to late game ZvX was "don't let him get X units/lategame"? my mistake was letting it go to late game. I already acknowledged that.
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Try watching your replays after you lose. Gives you time to calm down, lets you see what went wrong (hopefully you fix it next time!) and also virtually guarantees you won't be matched against the same guy again.
edit: And I feel you, there was a time when I was real sad to get knocked down into platinum, I actually spent all of season 3 trapped there. Surprise surprise, season 4 rolled around and my placement matches put me back into diamond. Just play games and separate yourself from what league you are in or what your record is because honestly, it doesn't matter. League should not be your goal, skill should be your goal, league is just a shorthand for your win ratio.
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On January 14 2012 14:41 Selendis wrote:
yeah it is bullshit. You can't stick people into boxes, everyone has good days and bad days and everyone has strong matchups and weak matchups. An individual player may have a ton of variance in his play and the ladder just cannot account for it.
You can stick people into boxes. Then they play against each other - some of them are better than others. Nothing wrong with getting destroyed a few times. Even many times - don't sweat it, it happens to the best of us.
No bullshit.
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On January 14 2012 14:56 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 14:41 Thaniri wrote:
Don't get all of your infestors EMP'ed, spread them.
Infested terrans are good, if you have a lot of infestors, its like throwing down 50 double damage marines.
Broodlords are impossible to deal with, without ghosts.
While it is a great idea to deny the gold on metal in the hole in the middle, it also completely prevents you from actually protecting your broods from snipe.
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tl; dr, everything is winnable don't whine. I did split. thats wh only HALF got EMPd. herp.
O.M.G.
You split your infestors and still got half of them EMP'ed?
Thats just bad micro, you need to work on that. Try the marine split challenge, it will help. You should be splitting in small groups, and you should burn the image of an emp into your brain so that you know exactly how far you need to split.
And also, keep a ling around the perimeter of your army to see ghosts coming.
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Please provide a replay when posting about a game in the strategy forum.
WAIT
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Moving average does exist. Anecdotal evidence of "it feels like it took me more games the second time" isn't valid
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You should stop whining.
Top 8 masters doesn't mean much, if anything. All the rank in your division is their to do is to give you motivation to keep playing/improve. You could be top 8 master and still have a Diamond MMR, like you. Also, chances are you were in a newly formed division when you were rank 8 master, and top 100 masters are easier than high diamond, if you're MMR was never out of the Diamond/low master range you never were truly in masters.
You really don't seem to have a good grasp on how to improve and are resorting to whining to make you're ego feel better.
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Yeah ranks mean nothing. I'm currently rank 17 or 18 I think, yet I'm much higher rated than certain people at rank 1 and 2, and much lower than certain people at rank 35 or so. If you have a lot of good people in your division, your rank is going to be lower, if you don't, your rank is going to be higher.
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Also to add to the poster above, if you have been promoted or demoted mid season, it is very likely that you will be put into a new division, which will compose of very inactive or low level players for that particular league. Meaning that your top 8 was more or less meaningless relative to the rest of the league in comparison.
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Lol at balance whine disguised as a blog?
Coming from a Diamond/Low Master Zerg, when you see Terran switch into ghost production, just switch back to T2. Ghosts with any decent micro shred BL/Infestor/Corruptor, so just switch back to Ling/Bling/Muta and starve him.
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flono nice.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302149
game two leenock vs supernova. The zerg player plays proficiently, and crushes the army with ease. THe zerg player then attacks, fails and loses the game completely, when the terran player should have been at a disadvantage from losing their army.
Also, there is a whole lot of stupid going around here. I've seen GMs get killed the exact same way I was. I played nearly 100% perfectly for a GM zerg.
Charlie brown, it doesnt. It took ~10-20 wins to get into diamond. I went back to plat and it took about 20-30. Im talking consecutive wins. as in WIN STREAK. It took longer because I'd played more games, so my overall average was lower. moving average doesn't exist or it is in fact bugged.
But thank you all, you have convinced me to race switch, as you put it, why not play terran if zerg is shit. Well, ok im switching.
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The grass ain't greener on the other side yo
TvZ as a Terran is just as frustrating, if not more
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On January 14 2012 18:24 Humanfails wrote:flono nice. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302149game two leenock vs supernova. The zerg player plays proficiently, and crushes the army with ease. THe zerg player then attacks, fails and loses the game completely, when the terran player should have been at a disadvantage from losing their army. Also, there is a whole lot of stupid going around here. I've seen GMs get killed the exact same way I was. I played nearly 100% perfectly for a GM zerg. Charlie brown, it doesnt. It took ~10-20 wins to get into diamond. I went back to plat and it took about 20-30. Im talking consecutive wins. as in WIN STREAK. It took longer because I'd played more games, so my overall average was lower. moving average doesn't exist or it is in fact bugged. But thank you all, you have convinced me to race switch, as you put it, why not play terran if zerg is shit. Well, ok im switching.
a) So the Z player attacking was a mistake?..
b) you claim to be playing at GM level? Really?? show us a replay.
c) GL with terran.
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On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote:
also, snipe is bullshit. why does it even exist? why hasnt it been removed yet?
snipe is awesome to do and watch. never remove it blizzard! it is kind of BS against a massive, armored unit like the ultralisk though. lol. how could a little sniper bullet hurt such a beast??
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Stopped reading at I play like a god
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Stop bullshitting and post the replay so we can see your "godly" play.
Good luck with Terran. See you in a couple of weeks when you come back crying about how you can't win with your godly Terran play and that Protoss is easier and stronger than Terran.
Seriously though, just man up and get rid of your ego. That would probably be the easiest way for you to improve.
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Why can't zerg remax instant? Usually they have like 3k, 1k or even more, enough larve sooooo remax .....
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On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 14:50 Spray wrote:
Go play terran then. according to you its the superior race right? why play a "shit" race? because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life. did you see the game mvp vs lucky? If he'd just made some units to kill the spines he would've won. Thats how terran loses. by making mistakes. sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white. also, I used to like the style of brood war zerg so much. and terran is more or less the same. I got bored playing T after 9 years of brood war
If you find terran so much easier to win with (and only enjoy winning, which seems to be the case), then perhaps you should play terran? If you're "bored" of the race then you have to make a decision - play a race you're not so good at, lose more, but try and enjoy the game, or just play terran which you supposedly find easier, and go and win some more games..
There are no "easy" roads to winning, it's just playing the race most suited to your playstyle
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On January 14 2012 19:30 Divinek wrote:
Stopped reading at I play like a god
So you're saying you've never played a game where everything went right? I have better luck playing zerg by getting into their heads and blindly countering their play than by actually scouting and using that to counter build. I have better luck blindly guessing their FE and winning with an all-in than playing a long game and coming out the winner. Even when I play everything perfectly, I cant win longgame vs terran.
On January 14 2012 19:45 Snaiil wrote:
Stop bullshitting and post the replay so we can see your "godly" play.
Good luck with Terran. See you in a couple of weeks when you come back crying about how you can't win with your godly Terran play and that Protoss is easier and stronger than Terran.
Seriously though, just man up and get rid of your ego. That would probably be the easiest way for you to improve.
rofl fucking wow. ego. maybe you're the egotistical one, since you brought it up. Im not very confident at all that I can keep going up, but you say its an ego thing. I am manned up pretty well actually. I accepted that I was playing with a limited hand when I chose zerg, and now Im race switching to terran since thats your best advice. When someone has no other way to insult someone because they'd rather do that than think, they bring up ego... typical.
you know, if you're really sure its an ego thing. point to it. show me where it is? I've played 5000 games and all variations of builds and build orders and timings to try to win vs T and P. I've actually got a huge slew of data on my side and a 120 EAPM. Go ahead and say it ego again.
On January 14 2012 18:53 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 18:24 Humanfails wrote:flono nice. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=302149game two leenock vs supernova. The zerg player plays proficiently, and crushes the army with ease. THe zerg player then attacks, fails and loses the game completely, when the terran player should have been at a disadvantage from losing their army. Also, there is a whole lot of stupid going around here. I've seen GMs get killed the exact same way I was. I played nearly 100% perfectly for a GM zerg. Charlie brown, it doesnt. It took ~10-20 wins to get into diamond. I went back to plat and it took about 20-30. Im talking consecutive wins. as in WIN STREAK. It took longer because I'd played more games, so my overall average was lower. moving average doesn't exist or it is in fact bugged. But thank you all, you have convinced me to race switch, as you put it, why not play terran if zerg is shit. Well, ok im switching. a) So the Z player attacking was a mistake?.. b) you claim to be playing at GM level? Really?? show us a replay. c) GL with terran.
exactly. Zerg player in GSL kills an entire terran army. Zerg play then attacks terran base, and loses his army, and subsequently gets rolled. Read it in the GSL post. That happens to me if I attack as well. When Zerg wins a fight, you just expand, you don't attack. if you attack terran head on you lose. Doesn't that say something?
regarding GM play. I copy how the GMs play, and I even do better than some. For instance, I was watching a live stream of a GM who went early third and got hit by DTs at all bases. he didnt make a blind overseer even after 11 minutes into game vs a FFE protoss on taldarim. When he finished cleaning it up, he lost about 20 drones in all over 3 bases and drug 3 overseers all to his natural, instead of 1 per base. He gets hit AGAIN at his third by dts. The protoss doesn't just spam up a force of units and take advantage of the player being weak having to remake 20 drones and not army. the zerg doesn't keep detection at every base to prevent any more damage, when failing to make detection after 11 minutes into game with a protoss in the first place.
These are things I always take advantage of, making detection and keeping one per base if they went cloaked units, hitting them with a strong massed force if they let themselves lose 20+ workers... So I can say Im pretty confident yes, I play near some GMs abilities.
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I think you're very mad right now but I think your rank was just inflated and because of you going on tilt you're now ranked a little lower than you should be.
Relax and give credit to players where credit is due. You don't play like a god or like a GM.
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Whats bullshit is hard hard ghostmech is to break as zerg. The terran can just sit around for fucking years waiting knowing that you cant attack an entrenched position and waiting for you to get impatient.
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On January 14 2012 20:04 Humanfails wrote:
you know, if you're really sure its an ego thing. point to it. show me where it is? I've played 5000 games and all variations of builds and build orders and timings to try to win vs T and P. I've actually got a huge slew of data on my side and a 120 EAPM. Go ahead and say it ego again.
You've got 5000 games played, and said you got promoted to master league last week. That's a lot of games just to get to master league, yet you're claiming to be playing at a GM level?
You've proved over and over and over again that you've got a way too big ego, don't have to look any further than your replies in this thread.
You're delusional, if you're playing at a GM level, you're either in GM, or VERY high master (top 100 in your region or so).
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Have to agree on the OPs point that a lot of diamond players play better than master players. Could also be that 60/100 master players are inactive and never really drop out whereas the active ones can be demoted really quickly, even if they are much better players.
Around season 2 or three I got demoted from rank 5 master in like 15 games of stupid strategies. Took almost 50 to make it back, but then I got placed straight into around 35th place. The ranks and divisions don't really mean anything, and when you are a active player and try out new ideas and strategies without a smurf you get bounced around a lot.
Your ladder rank is not best in life but "To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
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Sir, you need to fix your attitude. Improving at anything is astronomically more difficult if you don't accept responsibility for your own failures and instead blame an external factor. Stephano doesn't seem to have problems achieving a decent win rate against T and P; are your opponents better than the people he plays?
On January 14 2012 20:04 Humanfails wrote:
you know, if you're really sure its an ego thing. point to it. show me where it is? I've played 5000 games and all variations of builds and build orders and timings to try to win vs T and P. I've actually got a huge slew of data on my side and a 120 EAPM. Go ahead and say it ego again.
Problem: losing games against T and P.
Potential explanations: (1) T and P are objectively better than Z (2) You play poorly vs T and P (3) You don't actually lose against them that much; the frustrating losses just stick out in your mind.
Your data only confirms that you actually lose a lot against T and P (not #3). It doesn't explain why. Your enormous ego is why you are ruling out #2 and instead assuming #1.
On January 14 2012 18:24 Humanfails wrote:
So I can say Im pretty confident yes, I play near some GMs abilities.
If you played at a near-GM level, you wouldn't have problems staying in master league of all things. Wow, you held off one timing better than a GM once, so that means your overall gameplay must be GM level, right? This is blowing my mind, I never knew you needed to make spores crawlers at each base if you scout DTs. With that valuable tidbit of knowledge I'm sure you just helped dozens of zerg players suddenly be capable of GM-level play. Is it possible that when you play your best and everything seems to go right, you play better than a GM player on an off day? Sure. A lot of people have had streaks of brilliance. But it's a far stretch to say that you play at a GM level because you watched a GM player goof hardcore on holding off DTs.
You just got promoted to master league; unless it's a fresh account, your skill is nowhere near GM. When I got promoted to master league I landed rank 7. Was I high master? Hell no, my skill was probably low master. I checked my division and it had 30 people, and it looked like most people had one or two wins in that season. Sure it looked cool having the top 8 logo on my home screen, but I was under no delusions about my skill. Even now - I'm rank 3 in my division, and most people have 100+ games played. Does that mean I have high master skill? No, because there are other divisions with much higher point averages near the top. More importantly, no, because I don't play like a high master. Please don't let the fact that you once saw a star on your master league logo get to your head.
I know the tone of this post was a bit harsh but if you want to get better, you need to recognize that you aren't losing games because of your race, you are losing games because of yourself. glhf.
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If a Diamond player is high enough to be playing even low Masters, He's either played a TON of games this season (Which is quite young, and in doing so means said Diamond player has significant drive to play more/be better.
On the other hand, Mid/low Masters players might just be token players... I have a friend in Masters with 44 Games played total... and that's just because he can Cheese and Recover into a standard game really well... I'm pretty sure any Diamond player with 300+ games played would trounce him.
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On January 14 2012 19:30 Divinek wrote:
Stopped reading at I play like a god
I saw that too and thought it was a bit much.
Keep playing demotions suck but you need to learn when to stop playing for the day. I know that was one of my biggest issues and led to my demotion. I've fixed it though and I'm slowly climbing my way back up the ladder 
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snipe crybaby learn to play
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I find it funny how this guy thinks he plays like GM yet refuses to post a replay because he knows he probably doesn't even play on a mid masters level.
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"because when I win, I want to know that it was due to my superior playing ability. Im sorry I cant take the easy roads in life.
Terran is not easy... nor is any other race... stop bitching watch the replay and analyze it. You will se what you didi wrong and how you could have done better. dont get mad over a ladder loss look at it as a chance to improve.
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ROFLROFL u mad? anyways what you can do is learn from the game instead of getting mad. this used to be my problem when i went to masters from diamond. then i just sat down learned from my mistakes and moved on. I may not be top 8 in my masters but that only means something if you have decent players in your masters league and hearing how you just were promoted to masters, i doubt that top 8 in your division means anything.
Also realize that the bottom level of masters is about the same as the top of diamond so the masters u play are like the diamond you play too.
Also dont whine about balance. Im sure nestea would rape this terran. until you get to that level, balance is irrelevent. there are holes in your game. look for them, fix them, then become better.
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lol top 8 master? I think you mean new division=P you should look at ur percentile in master instead of ranking =.=. And because you go on win or lose streak it kinda means your doing risky builds and ur winning because of luck not skill. If you know exactly what ur looking for and exactly how to scout I dont think any top 10 percentile master would ever lose to low masters even on off days just saying from personal experience
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Blaming your losses and your rank on everything except yourself is a guaranteed way of getting better.
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You seem like nothing but a whiny bitch who uses balance as a excuse for your mistakes, which is why you don't improve. Zz
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On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:
sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white.
Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before?
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On January 14 2012 20:04 Humanfails wrote:So you're saying you've never played a game where everything went right? I have better luck playing zerg by getting into their heads and blindly countering their play than by actually scouting and using that to counter build. I have better luck blindly guessing their FE and winning with an all-in than playing a long game and coming out the winner. Even when I play everything perfectly, I cant win longgame vs terran.
Where absolutely everything went right? In a game longer than 5 minutes, nope.
Are your queens at 0 energy the entire game? No? Guess what? That's a mistake. Do all your creep tumors spread the second the cooldown is done and is an overlord in place dropping creep to help it spread faster? No? I guess you're not playing with no mistakes then.
And yes, playing with NO mistakes means you've played perfectly.
No one in the world has played a game where everything went right. Not Nestea, not MVP, not anyone.
The best way is to switch to Terran JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT and play TvZ. If it really is that easy, go win GSL. After all, even if your zerg opponents play perfectly, as long as you get to late game, you'll instantly win right?
If you get crushed by other Zergs [which I'll assume you will], then you know how to counter whatever you're having trouble with.
You're refusing to even try Terran because it's an "easy race", but in fact, you know that if you lose, you'll have no one to blame but yourself since it proves that Zerg can in fact beat Terran in the late game and your play isn't "perfect".
But sure, keep dismissing playing TvZ for 50 or so games. I'm sure it's better for your ego and your "perfect play". hf being stuck in diamond/masters.
Yes, I have read your post that you said you made some mistakes. Why you keep insisting that you've played "perfect" or "like a god" is beyond me. Have you ever considered that you made mistakes that you don't think are mistakes? If Nestea or some other world class player looked at your replays would they say exactly what you said?
Or would they point out mistakes that you didn't know you had? That's because those mistakes lie outside of your scope of understanding of the game.
Is it possible that the solution to your problems are also out of your scope of understanding of the game? Hell yeah it is.
Teamliquid isn't very hospitable to people who blatantly balance complain. I expect a lot of posts to be on your attitude rather than trying to comfort you.
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On January 14 2012 23:11 whistle wrote:
If you played at a near-GM level, you wouldn't have problems staying in master league of all things.
Truth is spoken.
OP needs to step back and recognize holes in his play that he's not able to see, because he's not as good as he thinks he is.
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I feel like we are quite similar, both in skill level (Forever Rank 1 Diamond in my Division here, 100th percentile) and in ego. However, I do NOT acknowledge the false idea that any game I play I play like a "god". Godlike play is a sight to see, not just any game where you properly macro and respond to builds correctly and micro appropriately. That's really about mid-high masters.
I've had the same idea about tvz as you did, only flipped. I thought it was too much more effort on the terran's part to win against zerg. My impressions were that we Terrans HAD to do damage, that we could NOT let it get late game because I couldn't deal with infestor ultra baneling/ broodlord infestor. I thought it was BS that terrans had to babysit their armies so that any time the zerg feels like a-moving, the terran had to immediately split marines, focus banelings with tanks, EMP infestors, all that battle micro instantly, or we lose our whole army. Try playing terran for a change. You'll see it takes just as much APM from the other side as yours. While Zergs need to be faster for macro (larva, larva injects, and creep spread, all of which are pretty time consuming) Terrans need to keep up on unit cycles, get a good barracks/fact/port ratio, and do battle micro at a moment's notice.
After playing zerg for a bit, I have a better understanding of their weaknesses with larva and unit cost inefficiency. I suggest you play some terran and tell me what you think. If you can just EZ A-move to masters like you think because terran is just that good, then do it. Make a fool out of yourself.
Everyone makes mistakes
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On January 14 2012 14:56 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 14:41 Thaniri wrote:
Don't get all of your infestors EMP'ed, spread them.
Infested terrans are good, if you have a lot of infestors, its like throwing down 50 double damage marines.
Broodlords are impossible to deal with, without ghosts.
While it is a great idea to deny the gold on metal in the hole in the middle, it also completely prevents you from actually protecting your broods from snipe.
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tl; dr, everything is winnable don't whine. I did split. thats wh only HALF got EMPd. herp.
Except you didn't say you split them originally, you just said that half were emp'd.
Only half could be hit you know, its not like if you don't split everything gets hit automatically.
Post the replay.
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On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote:
(no zergs dont remax instantly, people need to stop saying that shit).
This is probably the most true statement you made.
attack, half of my infestors get EMPd'. brood lords all instantkly sniped down, banes killed and cant get to marine/ghost army to kill them, fungal goes off, but it doesn't matter because my army goes down before it can reach them. Bullshit. I've been upgrading everything like a beast.
The terran's advantage is their positioning and ability to hold a position. Zerg's advantage is mobility and power through numbers. You forgeited both advantages by barelling a very expensive army into the terran strong-point. Why didn't you nydus or drop the main? Why didn't you split your army and, say, use the broodlords to attack vulnerable buildings? Mechanics will only get you so far - you need to make smart decisions.
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where the replay at, I wanna see god
"I play like a god"
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On January 15 2012 04:15 Panya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:
sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white.
Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before?
Not at all. Especially considering he presented the correct game theoretic interpretation after his statement. From his point of view all things held equal the burden is on the opponent to lose. He just chose an ornate way to phrase that.
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On January 15 2012 04:15 Panya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:
sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white.
Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before?
I am also bothered as well. This guy is racist. How does being Black in a chess game affect you? Because good chess players dont care what color they are. Same for SC2. As long as you play well, your race does not matter
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On January 15 2012 15:52 jidolboy wrote:
I am also bothered as well. This guy is racist. How does being Black in a chess game affect you? Because good chess players dont care what color they are. Same for SC2. As long as you play well, your race does not matter
Wait what? Are you trying to be funny?
On January 15 2012 04:15 Panya wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 15:03 Humanfails wrote:
sc2 is chess. zerg is the black, and terran is white.
Is anyone else bothered by this line? Have you played chess before?
The colours do make a difference in chess, your colour dictates your style in that game. The white player usually takes the initiative (I think that's what he means, Terran takes initiative in TvZ in SC2?), whereas the black player tries to play reactionarily.
I don't play SC2, so I don't know if his analogy is correct.
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real master level players dont get demoted true story 
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On January 14 2012 14:34 Humanfails wrote:
I made top 8 master, after going on a 10-15 win streak. It took forever. Don't believe people when they say "games are forgotten after a while". They aren't. I went from diamond to plat, and going back to diamond took me twice as many wins in a row the next time as opposed to the first. So the whole "moving average" nonsense is just that, nonsense.
Anyway, I got top 8 master almost immediately after being pushed up into master about a week ago. Last night I lost it. And I lost it to the same person after playing them a bo3 on ladder. Previous to that, I went on a 11 loss streak, and knew I was in danger of demoting. The issue is that I was going on 10-4 games in master vs other masters. I've always had a feeling diamond is full of harder players than most master are.
Sorry, you were near the bottom of masters MMR wise all along, regardless of being 'top 8 master'. You beat a bunch of masters who, like you, were on their way out of masters and lost to a bunch of diamonds who were on their way out of diamond. Masters is vastly better than diamond on average, and even mid-masters is better than all of diamond, it's just that absolute top diamond and absolute bottom masters (i.e., where you are) is indistinguishable.
This game has been out for almost two years, it's astonishing that people can put in thousands of games and still not have a clue how the MMR system works.
On January 15 2012 18:35 elixir_gum wrote:real master level players dont get demoted true story
real master level players don't get matched up with diamond players on ladder either (except once in a blue moon when someone's smurf's MMR is rising too quickly to get promoted)
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Skimmed through everything quickly. Seems like the main problem lies in you
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Funnily enough as high masters I find Zerg my weakest matchup. As a Terran!
Having the ability to remax consistently as opposed to a Terran who has only 'good' macro is a very big plus. It's as everyone has said however, mistakes may cost you the game man.
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