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On January 03 2012 08:47 blah_blah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 08:33 emythrel wrote:On January 03 2012 08:25 Arnstein wrote:
Well, in Norway we have very good rights as customers, and I will definitely talk to them. I do not think that you are allowed to sell anything to a Norwegian under the circumstance that they may take your account away without proving that you cheated etc. I'll check it out tomorrow! Yes but the moment you hit yes to the EULA, you give them that right. You agree to adhere to their rules, you agree that they can take your account away if they deem it so. This is why people should actually read the EULA lol It is not possible to sign away certain rights (such as certain consumer rights) even with your consent. e: this depends essentially on your location, I am not a lawyer and I am definitely not a Norwegian lawyer.
Indeed some EULAs can be debated. To get support from the consumer panel is free, no matter how far the case goes. And it's not about money anyways, it's about the fact that I don't think a private company should be able to have this much power, so that it can just take away the products that I bought without giving a reason.
I don't have a macro keyboard, I have a Filco Majestouch 2.
On January 03 2012 08:59 hypercube wrote:
Why not ask which game was the decision based on and post a replay so that people can judge for themselves?
That was what I was trying.
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On January 03 2012 08:12 Humanfails wrote:
yep.
you paid 60$, but its still their property. IF they ban your CD, you lose single player mode too. They don't even need a reason to ban you, or to revoke your privilege to what you bought from them. A far cry from the days where buying meant ownership and rights. But when you put money into a company that has this policy, you are rewarding this policy. The way to cahnge it is to NOT buy a game made by a comopany tjhat has this policy. Its politics. Imagine what this is like, but where real laws and lives are in the balance, and this is the same game politicians play. Welcome to the world of the digital age.
And they don't have to provide evidence. you are guilty until proven innocent, and they don't have to tell you what they do and do not know, since tehy have no contractual obligation to. I'd advise anyone to read the communist manifesto. The basic and underlying ideas are exactly true to this as well. Struggle for control, power, etc. between consumers and businesses. I've a feeling video game industry will succeed where the cigarette industry failed.
It's sad everyone is so willing to shell out the money and accept the ridiculous control the industry attempts to exert on the consumer. Blizzard doesn't actually have the power to do it, either. Everyone gives it to them by allowing it to happen.
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Yes, that's what I think as well.
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Why can't they tell you which program is detected so you can properly scan/remove it?
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On January 03 2012 08:33 emythrel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 08:25 Arnstein wrote:
Well, in Norway we have very good rights as customers, and I will definitely talk to them. I do not think that you are allowed to sell anything to a Norwegian under the circumstance that they may take your account away without proving that you cheated etc. I'll check it out tomorrow! Yes but the moment you hit yes to the EULA, you give them that right. You agree to adhere to their rules, you agree that they can take your account away if they deem it so. This is why people should actually read the EULA lol
What's the point in reading the EULA? You buy the game that you've been looking forward to for yeras, which you spent months saving up for from your milk money (lol), and then let's say if you actually saw something you disagree with?
"Nope, guess I better just shelve this game until the company no longer exists so I can play it!"
Honestly, what are you supposed to do if you disagree with the EULA but actually want to play the game?
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On January 04 2012 03:46 Geovu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 08:33 emythrel wrote:On January 03 2012 08:25 Arnstein wrote:
Well, in Norway we have very good rights as customers, and I will definitely talk to them. I do not think that you are allowed to sell anything to a Norwegian under the circumstance that they may take your account away without proving that you cheated etc. I'll check it out tomorrow! Yes but the moment you hit yes to the EULA, you give them that right. You agree to adhere to their rules, you agree that they can take your account away if they deem it so. This is why people should actually read the EULA lol What's the point in reading the EULA? You buy the game that you've been looking forward to for yeras, which you spent months saving up for from your milk money (lol), and then let's say if you actually saw something you disagree with? "Nope, guess I better just shelve this game until the company no longer exists so I can play it!" Honestly, what are you supposed to do if you disagree with the EULA but actually want to play the game?
Play at your own risk?
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On January 03 2012 16:07 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 08:12 Humanfails wrote:
yep.
you paid 60$, but its still their property. IF they ban your CD, you lose single player mode too. They don't even need a reason to ban you, or to revoke your privilege to what you bought from them. A far cry from the days where buying meant ownership and rights. But when you put money into a company that has this policy, you are rewarding this policy. The way to cahnge it is to NOT buy a game made by a comopany tjhat has this policy. Its politics. Imagine what this is like, but where real laws and lives are in the balance, and this is the same game politicians play. Welcome to the world of the digital age.
And they don't have to provide evidence. you are guilty until proven innocent, and they don't have to tell you what they do and do not know, since tehy have no contractual obligation to. I'd advise anyone to read the communist manifesto. The basic and underlying ideas are exactly true to this as well. Struggle for control, power, etc. between consumers and businesses. I've a feeling video game industry will succeed where the cigarette industry failed. It's sad everyone is so willing to shell out the money and accept the ridiculous control the industry attempts to exert on the consumer. Blizzard doesn't actually have the power to do it, either. Everyone gives it to them by allowing it to happen.
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On January 04 2012 03:46 Geovu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 08:33 emythrel wrote:On January 03 2012 08:25 Arnstein wrote:
Well, in Norway we have very good rights as customers, and I will definitely talk to them. I do not think that you are allowed to sell anything to a Norwegian under the circumstance that they may take your account away without proving that you cheated etc. I'll check it out tomorrow! Yes but the moment you hit yes to the EULA, you give them that right. You agree to adhere to their rules, you agree that they can take your account away if they deem it so. This is why people should actually read the EULA lol What's the point in reading the EULA? You buy the game that you've been looking forward to for yeras, which you spent months saving up for from your milk money (lol), and then let's say if you actually saw something you disagree with? "Nope, guess I better just shelve this game until the company no longer exists so I can play it!" Honestly, what are you supposed to do if you disagree with the EULA but actually want to play the game?
And thats how it happens. A company produces something that people want, and will even be willing to give up consumer rights to have, then the company has you and they know it. Thats how the game is played. The metagame of corporation/consumer control, not Sc2. Consider this: All those people who are banned from sc2 or WoW, can buy another copy of the game and play it again. The more hackers they successfully ban, the more games they sell. Now, this actually sounds like DMCA logic or other anti-piracy logic, but in the case of MMOs and SC2 it actually works. Because when you ban someone who bought a legitimate copy and then hacked, they can simply by another copy and play again.
Essentially, those who are dedicated will support the company and its policies because they will buy the game, even buy it again if they get banned, thus increasing profits. They will buy it even if the EULA is a contract you would never touch if it was something more substantial (physically real) like a car or a house. The casuals will do it because they don't care, the fanboys of either company or game will do it because they will be willing to give up those consumer rights for the product, and the company doesn't lose any money for banning people. banned fanboys will buy more copies, banned players who quit the game will not harm the revenue.
Does anyone else have an old WOW account that got banned, and you got an email saying so? Think about it. Was it actually banned for hacking activity? Or did Activision ban those accounts and then send out notices to try to draw players back into playing WoW? THey lose no revenue banning old/afk accounts, They look good to players by saying "we banned X amount of cheaters this month" and they try to hook old players into playing again.
The ability for people to play again after being banned for hacking proves that its about money. If they wanted people to play legitimately, it'd be a simple procedure to wipe all the player's progress gained through a hack, even reverting the account to brand new in the most extreme circumstances. A banned account is a second account bought.
How many accounts has Deezer bought? How many people have bought legitimate accounts and given them to him? How many people buy multiple accounts?
Their policy, even though its hated, doesn't seem to stop revenue. Therefore, why will they do anything but impose harsher policies in the future?
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On January 03 2012 08:41 Humanfails wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2012 08:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
Before we get all internet lawyery up in here, as I recall the legal strength of a EULA is 'it depends'. You really can't tell before you challenge one whether it's going to hold up, it depends on what's actually in it.
Although let's get serious and not sidetrack into this stupid legal bullshit where everyone pretends they know what they're talking about, it always happens. Nobody is going to file a lawsuit over sixty bucks, it's not relevant. Is there anything it would actually make sense for him to do that would get his account back? thats the point. An actual abusive EULA is protected by the fact that individually, its not worth someone to hire a lawyer to defeat it. Its cheaper to buy a new copy of the game. Thats called a money printer EULA. Protection from legal recourse via the inherent cost to an individual to litigate, and at the same time encouraging buying another copy of the game. Like I said, the cigarette companies would drool over this capability.
I didn't mean to post here but this observation about cigarette companies is very good.
I too find the EULA laughable... but what can you do?
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hahhah...i just got suspended for 14days with all funny reason. Been playing SC/BW since day 1 till SC2.....something like 14 years  ...They just Suspended you for nothing. Not really like Bilzzard anymore
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