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Sokalo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States375 Posts
December 19 2011 08:17 GMT
#21
On December 19 2011 14:35 mavsfan0041 wrote:
Yeah I can sympathize. My 3gs died today. It refuses to recognize the sim card anymore. It's out of warranty so they can't really do anything about it (I went to ask when it first started to happen.), and I'm kinda ticked since even though it's an "aged electronic device," I'd expect it to work for longer than 2 years.


After 2 years you should have an upgrade with most carriers right? And I'm pretty sure the 3gs is free w/ a contract or upgrade at this point.

With the way the current system is set up, a 2 year life expectancy isn't bad at all.
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caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
December 19 2011 08:55 GMT
#22
On December 19 2011 17:17 Sokalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 14:35 mavsfan0041 wrote:
Yeah I can sympathize. My 3gs died today. It refuses to recognize the sim card anymore. It's out of warranty so they can't really do anything about it (I went to ask when it first started to happen.), and I'm kinda ticked since even though it's an "aged electronic device," I'd expect it to work for longer than 2 years.


After 2 years you should have an upgrade with most carriers right? And I'm pretty sure the 3gs is free w/ a contract or upgrade at this point.

With the way the current system is set up, a 2 year life expectancy isn't bad at all.



First of all, sc2 hasn't been out for two years yet. But you make a good point, that if you're getting carriers, you basically NEED air weapons upgrade. I'm not sure what you mean 3gs-- guardian shield doesnt stack, but yes, it really helps your existing armor or shield upgrades to improve survivability.

Sadly, a 2year life expectancy is about all there was for carriers in sc2. I wish they could've kept them-- the tempest seems so unexciting.
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50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
December 19 2011 09:09 GMT
#23
BTW capitalism means "private ownership over the means of production". All the people who complain about it, like the occupy some shit movement probably have no idea. And OP has no idea either. What can be so bad about being allowed as a random guy on the street to produce and sell goods?
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aScle
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia375 Posts
December 19 2011 09:17 GMT
#24
it seems like your digitizer screen is fucked so why dont u just spend like 9 dollars to get a replacement screen like one of these http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Repair-Screen-Digitizer-Generation/dp/B0037KC9PO ?
all u need is screwdrivers and a hairdryer and 30mins of ur time.
much better than wasting 200 dollars
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 09:50:05
December 19 2011 09:47 GMT
#25
Part of Apple's market strategy is to do exactly what happened to you. Think about the rate at which Apple releases a new version of something specific (whether it be iPhone, mac, iPad, whatever) and compare that to the rate their competitors release new versions of the same product. It should be extremely obvious that Apple releases new versions of things very very quickly compared to everyone else. This can be easily verified by observing TV commercials. Apple is constantly releasing new commercials with the latest version of their product.

The testing departments for Apple products are incredibly small. I was able to get inside information a while back and although I'm not at liberty to be giving out numbers the testing departments are smaller than you would ever imagine. After thinking about it for a while it made perfect sense though. Apple doesn't need to hire testers; it's users are the testers. Hence so many versions and updates of all its products.

Apple users (for the most part) are incredibly devoted to Apple and it's products. This phenomenon has become very interesting to researchers as of late, and there are fields out there which concern how to put emotion and feeling into your product, as using emotions is a very strong way to get people on your side. See Kansei Engineering for more on that.

Seeing what happened to you does not come to any surprise to me. This is the way Apple makes money. They use the fact that they have a devoted fanbase to their advantage, and they take advantage of the emotions that people have towards their products. They want you to have to keep buying all the updated versions of their products; they're not building their products for longevity.

As a disclaimer I'm not trying to downgrade Apple or any of it's fine products, I'm just pointing out how the system works and shedding light on what people have failed to notice. What Apple does works, and it works damn well, even if I do make it sound a bit deceiving and unethical.
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Charlatan
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia27 Posts
December 19 2011 09:54 GMT
#26
On December 19 2011 16:41 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
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On December 19 2011 14:19 Br3ezy wrote:
On December 19 2011 14:17 stevarius wrote:
Capitalism isn't broken. You decided to buy an Apple product. You are the consumer. A capitalistic economy is driven by consumer choice due to the fact that the economy is based on supply and demand. You no buy product, you no contribute to a terrible company.


You failed yourself for buying a product that you described yourself as a piece of shit that is incompatible with your desires and requires you to use shit that is garbage. Inform yourself before a purchase and this can hopefully be avoided in the future.

it was a christmas gift. I couldn't avoid recieving it, but now I am going to get a Creative Xen-F Xi model (i think thats what its called).


I wasn't going to post at all, but after reading this I feel obligated to tell you to stick with apple products. My first MP3 was a creative Zen Micro, and it was ok at best. What I remember most is that the sound quality is very good, but the actual hardware is shit and their warranties are shit. I also bought the Microsoft MP3 (Zune?) and I loved the device, but the software is terrible beyond belief. I remember having to install updates, but the software wouldn't actually allow me to do so. When I tried to uninstall the software, I discovered that it is actually impossible, without manually deleting all associated files from your registry, and there are literally hundreds.

There is a reason why Apple products are industry leaders, and it is not just because of fancy logos, exceptional branding, and unbelievably good advertising. It's also because they are, quite simply, the best products on the market (although I will never buy a computer from Apple, but that is a debate not meant for this thread ^^).


I couldn't disagree more. I have a Creative Zen X-Fi 2, and it is superior to any model of iPod in almost every way. (Perhaps storage capacity notwithstanding.) I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a flawless MP3 player, but it's definitely what I would recommend. The simple capability to copy/paste files directly to the device instead of having to install iTunes is a pretty strong selling point, imho.
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Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 10:37:41
December 19 2011 10:35 GMT
#27
I don't understand how the (legitimate) problem the OP is having equates to capitalism? Bad customer service is a wholly separate thing from capitalism.

Also, your problem seems to stem from the fact that your item is out of warranty? I don't see how you can be raging, everyone knows about 1 year warranties and how faults after that time aren't covered.
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
December 19 2011 12:32 GMT
#28
LOLOL, you obviously know nothing about capitalism.
Your blog's title should read: being spoiled sucks
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 19 2011 13:51 GMT
#29
On December 19 2011 18:54 Charlatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 16:41 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
On December 19 2011 14:19 Br3ezy wrote:
On December 19 2011 14:17 stevarius wrote:
Capitalism isn't broken. You decided to buy an Apple product. You are the consumer. A capitalistic economy is driven by consumer choice due to the fact that the economy is based on supply and demand. You no buy product, you no contribute to a terrible company.


You failed yourself for buying a product that you described yourself as a piece of shit that is incompatible with your desires and requires you to use shit that is garbage. Inform yourself before a purchase and this can hopefully be avoided in the future.

it was a christmas gift. I couldn't avoid recieving it, but now I am going to get a Creative Xen-F Xi model (i think thats what its called).


I wasn't going to post at all, but after reading this I feel obligated to tell you to stick with apple products. My first MP3 was a creative Zen Micro, and it was ok at best. What I remember most is that the sound quality is very good, but the actual hardware is shit and their warranties are shit. I also bought the Microsoft MP3 (Zune?) and I loved the device, but the software is terrible beyond belief. I remember having to install updates, but the software wouldn't actually allow me to do so. When I tried to uninstall the software, I discovered that it is actually impossible, without manually deleting all associated files from your registry, and there are literally hundreds.

There is a reason why Apple products are industry leaders, and it is not just because of fancy logos, exceptional branding, and unbelievably good advertising. It's also because they are, quite simply, the best products on the market (although I will never buy a computer from Apple, but that is a debate not meant for this thread ^^).


I couldn't disagree more. I have a Creative Zen X-Fi 2, and it is superior to any model of iPod in almost every way. (Perhaps storage capacity notwithstanding.) I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a flawless MP3 player, but it's definitely what I would recommend. The simple capability to copy/paste files directly to the device instead of having to install iTunes is a pretty strong selling point, imho.

im no fan of apples, but you dont have to use itunes to use the ipod. i have an ipod and i just use it with foobar, there are many other media players that have the same capability
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HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
December 19 2011 13:58 GMT
#30
Capitalism sucks because it's built on the assumption that everyone wants to consume excessively.
No alternatives are offered.

And then they wonder when economic growth wont continue forever.
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radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 14:20:22
December 19 2011 14:19 GMT
#31
On December 19 2011 22:58 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Capitalism sucks because it's built on the assumption that everyone wants to consume excessively.
No alternatives are offered.

And then they wonder when economic growth wont continue forever.


Is it really built on that assumption? I think its more like they try to get people to consume excessively because it means more profits. Its really all about taking advantage of the weaknesses that people have to overspending through slick TV advertisements and the like. People can still choose what they want to buy, and inform themselves on what products are good for the environment or workers abroad...but its a lot of work. I'm pretty sure its not capitalism that's at fault, its people (in general), although you can lay some blame on companies that muddle the issues. Once people become more concerned with the world around them capitalism will adapt to that kind of market accordingly, as will associated rules for how business is done (ethics).
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
December 19 2011 14:26 GMT
#32
On December 19 2011 23:19 radscorpion9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 22:58 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Capitalism sucks because it's built on the assumption that everyone wants to consume excessively.
No alternatives are offered.

And then they wonder when economic growth wont continue forever.


Is it really built on that assumption? I think its more like they try to get people to consume excessively because it means more profits. Its really all about taking advantage of the weaknesses that people have to overspending through slick TV advertisements and the like. People can still choose what they want to buy, and inform themselves on what products are good for the environment or workers abroad...but its a lot of work. I'm pretty sure its not capitalism that's at fault, its people (in general), although you can lay some blame on companies that muddle the issues. Once people become more concerned with the world around them capitalism will adapt to that kind of market accordingly, as will associated rules for how business is done (ethics).

You hit the nail on the head. Capitalism assumes that people make rational decisions that best fulfill their needs. Unfortunately, I think it's been shown too often that people make very stupid decisions and that's where the problems occur no matter what the system is.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 15:13:52
December 19 2011 15:11 GMT
#33
On December 19 2011 23:26 Myles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2011 23:19 radscorpion9 wrote:
On December 19 2011 22:58 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Capitalism sucks because it's built on the assumption that everyone wants to consume excessively.
No alternatives are offered.

And then they wonder when economic growth wont continue forever.


Is it really built on that assumption? I think its more like they try to get people to consume excessively because it means more profits. Its really all about taking advantage of the weaknesses that people have to overspending through slick TV advertisements and the like. People can still choose what they want to buy, and inform themselves on what products are good for the environment or workers abroad...but its a lot of work. I'm pretty sure its not capitalism that's at fault, its people (in general), although you can lay some blame on companies that muddle the issues. Once people become more concerned with the world around them capitalism will adapt to that kind of market accordingly, as will associated rules for how business is done (ethics).

You hit the nail on the head. Capitalism assumes that people make rational decisions that best fulfill their needs. Unfortunately, I think it's been shown too often that people make very stupid decisions and that's where the problems occur no matter what the system is.


It's not just that, it's also that it's ridiculously easy to convince people to make decisions that go against their interests, even if under normal/fair circumstances they would never have made those decisions.

It's simple psychology, and it's being abused to the max.
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
December 19 2011 15:20 GMT
#34
There are people that can fix that for you, or you can do it yourself if you want to learn how.

Apple makes their money by reselling new versions of products year after year, of course they are going to push you towards buying a new one. But you can't really blame capitalism wholesale with you just take their word on it, not that I like capitalism either, but being able to seek out different options is one of the good parts.
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leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
December 19 2011 15:23 GMT
#35
yo men dont listen to that apple guy, he is just trying to sell u a new shit. my iphone 4 home button didnt work and lo and behold he said the same shit. i took it to a local guy who fixed it for 50 bucks.
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TG Manny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States325 Posts
December 19 2011 17:47 GMT
#36
On December 19 2011 15:35 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Apple produces overpriced, outdated technology for people that enjoy style over substance. There's a reason mechanics don't drive Chryslers and IT people don't own Apple products.

With Capitalism, you have the choice to either give your business to them because you like their products and policies or you have the choice to patronize another business because you do not like their products or policies. If we didn't have capitalism, you would HAVE to purchase products from crapple because there wouldn't be any other choice.


You're bitter against apple products, aren't you?

I can't say that most mechanics don't drive crystlers or do, but I work in IT and every single department of IT I've visited for any occasion runs exclusively on Apple products if they can afford it (Meaning business is good, in their cases).

Apple delivers some of the best high-performance to cost pre-built computers especially for the business world (journalism, marketing, art, business management, etc). As a programmer I also envy the skills the Apple software team has put into their iOS mechanics, essentially making "lesser hardware" faster tools to use compared to other mobile products with better hardware (meaning better performance on paper). If Microsoft could do that kind of work on the desktop platform we may see a reason for apple desktops to get the boot.

Also, those ragging about apple insurance haven't purchased apple-care nor have gotten an updated warranty. I recently purchased an iPhone 4s and the warranty goes something like this. You get 1-year free of free replacement for any reason, lost, stolen, broken, dead battery, whatever. Every month past that is 10$ for the same coverage for an unlimited amount of time and unlimited amount of refurbishing. When you buy an iProduct now, you buy the idea of the product, so your particular hardware may go bad but you still get more of it.
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Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 18:56:07
December 19 2011 18:55 GMT
#37
Buying apple products has nothing to do with capitalism, it's more like some kind of pagan worship.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
December 19 2011 19:17 GMT
#38
Yeah I hate Apple...Their shit is overpriced and breaks all the fucking time. I wish I could get another MP3 player but nothing every comes close to ipods in terms of support & apps. They should make Android MP3s...

There's just no alternative for music =(
Try another route paperboy.
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
December 19 2011 21:03 GMT
#39
On December 19 2011 18:17 aScle wrote:
it seems like your digitizer screen is fucked so why dont u just spend like 9 dollars to get a replacement screen like one of these http://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Repair-Screen-Digitizer-Generation/dp/B0037KC9PO ?
all u need is screwdrivers and a hairdryer and 30mins of ur time.
much better than wasting 200 dollars


better yet, why can't apple do that for even 20 bucks? Hell I'd even pay up to 30 if it was the only option although I wouldn't be happy about it. Even if I do replace it, I don't think that would sustain for long because my Itouch has gone through a considerable amount of wear and is quite bent in several places in an unhealthy sort of way




also i just needed something to blame, and the first thing that I thought of was Capitalism.
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mechavoc
Profile Joined December 2010
United States664 Posts
December 19 2011 22:08 GMT
#40
Umm your Blog should be titled, I don't like the return policy of apple, and perhaps I should enjoy the choices capitalism gives me and purchase a smarphone from a different company.

The capitalism sucks title, makes you look a bit silly as capitalism gave you the Ipod....
You don't see I-pods coming out of North Korea or Cuba now do you?
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