EPTAt least it looks like she might start playing again as a result, lmao.
I honestly don't see the market growing for women as a result. If you do come back do it during the HotS beta and join as many tournaments as possible.
GL
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
At least it looks like she might start playing again as a result, lmao. I honestly don't see the market growing for women as a result. If you do come back do it during the HotS beta and join as many tournaments as possible. GL | ||
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Zidane
United States1685 Posts
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v1dom
159 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:26 Zidane wrote: An easy solution is to pretend you're a guy - problem solved. This. If you really don't want the attention, play on an unrecognizable account until a team recognizes your true "talent" and picks you up. If you announce you're a girl on public forums, you want the attention, good or bad. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
Oh well, gives me more motivation to go against the odds and be an entirely legit skill based pro, right? | ||
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koOl
Canada254 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:16 keiraknightlee wrote: This isn't new by any stretch of the imagination man. Even in BW the STX Soul team had Tossgirl on their roster but she never played any games (broadcast or practice) and didn't even live in the team house. She was there purely as a novelty. Girls can compete but will never be able to compete with the best men. So in the end they are in esports for promotional purposes. What a bizarre claim to make. Tossgirl played many games on tv..and i mean many...including games in proleague over the years. she also lived in the stx practice house for years. where did you get your information from? | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:46 v1dom wrote: This. If you really don't want the attention, play on an unrecognizable account until a team recognizes your true "talent" and picks you up. If you announce you're a girl on public forums, you want the attention, good or bad. I'm always amazed that people tote this idea so heavily. Really? Just completely subvert a portion of your identity? So what, never show up in person to tournaments? Never speak on ventrillo with anyone? Wear a fake beard or something? I just want to make sure I understand you properly, and that it's the individual woman's fault, and that she should censor herself to appease a sexist gaming community, and not that like, perhaps the attitudes of male gamers should change? | ||
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diMaP
United States19 Posts
For eSports to spread and become more popular, it cannot disenfranchise half of the world's population. Of course, right now many more boys grow up playing video games and become much more skilled at them. Should that never change? There is no reason that girls and women...(and yes, females past a certain age are "Women" just as most pro-players are "Men",) should not be encouraged and included in eSports. Almost every time a woman is mentioned, it is in a negative way. Guys even disrespect their own girlfriends or wives some of the time with tasteless pics or descriptions. Now some of that is just the nature of immature males (cannot really call them men), but it can become a real turnoff. I try not to pay attention to all of that but sometimes it is impossible. This is just one of the aspects of the eSports culture that turns women off. I love StarCraft. I am not able to play the game but I watch matches, streaming, and tournaments every day. I am a valuable fan. I traveled across the country to attend MLG Providence with my son who is the StarCraft player in the family. I started learning the game after seeing how much he enjoyed it. He now lives far from me after graduating from college and we really enjoy discussing what is going on in StarCraft several times a week. What a great thing! But I have to avoid most of the chats because of the moronic comments and poor behavior displayed, especially when the misogynistic comments begin. If you do not know what that means, look it up. I want to hear about what people think about strategies, players, ways to improve the games, etc. But that is not what is in the chats. So I rely on the Casters who are essential to someone like me to learn the game. Day(9) has taught me a great deal with his ability to analyze, along with Tasteless and Artosis. Other Casters and sites like teamliquid have also really brought the game to life for me. I have often seen comments that non-players can never understand the game, that they don't even exist. Well they do. I love the strategy, learning about the strengths & weaknesses of the 3 races, etc. So please let others into the eSports world, others perhaps different than yourselves. We are so lucky to be exposed to players from so many different countries. We are so much more connected in the world because of the Internet and eSports is a great way to build relationships, encourage travel and understanding between countries, etc. I know that seems lofty for a game, but that is why I love StarCraft.  | ||
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Zidane
United States1685 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:30 Haemonculus wrote: I'm always amazed that people tote this idea so heavily. Really? Just completely subvert a portion of your identity? So what, never show up in person to tournaments? Never speak on ventrillo with anyone? Wear a fake beard or something? I just want to make sure I understand you properly, and that it's the individual woman's fault, and that she should censor herself to appease a sexist gaming community, and not that like, perhaps the attitudes of male gamers should change? No, the point is, if joining a pro team on your own merits means that much to you, it should not be a problem to conceal your gender until you have joined said team. | ||
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v1dom
159 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:30 Haemonculus wrote: I'm always amazed that people tote this idea so heavily. Really? Just completely subvert a portion of your identity? So what, never show up in person to tournaments? Never speak on ventrillo with anyone? Wear a fake beard or something? I just want to make sure I understand you properly, and that it's the individual woman's fault, and that she should censor herself to appease a sexist gaming community, and not that like, perhaps the attitudes of male gamers should change? Your view on what I said is incredibly warped. The post above this one is a good indicator of what I "meant," but it would be a lot less involved than you think to really do what I'm suggesting. "Subvert a portion of your identity?" Come on. I'm not suggesting you dress up like a man, or that you should be avoiding contact. I'm saying that if it is so important to you to be picked up because if your actual talent, then don't make posts on TL drawing attention to the fact that you're a girl. Most gamer girls do exactly that. What I'm suggesting not only can be done, it has been done. There is a current female NA Grandmaster that will surprise a lot of people, when they find out the player is a girl. I'm pretty sure the number of people who know her true gender is less than ten. She has the same concern as the OP. She practices regularly with other Grandmasters (most of who do not know she is female), and discusses theory/etc on skype with far fewer. The people she does discuss this with have enough respect and responsibility to keep it quiet per her wishes. She plays a lot in online tournaments, and even showed up and dominated a local LAN event earlier this year without a lot of attention. No beards. Not even a smurf account. No one even posted the fact that a girl won it in the TL thread, it was just "Congrats to XXX!" The issue at hand isn't the female favoritism per se (which isn't going to change no matter who wants it to), but that the OP wants to avoid it. If she needs to take some very small steps to reach that goal, the prerogative is on her to make an effort, not the rest of the world to bend to her desires. If the goal is not to join a pro gaming team based on merit alone, but to change the thought processes of half the population, well, good luck with that. | ||
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Yenticha
257 Posts
On December 15 2011 13:13 v1dom wrote: Your view on what I said is incredibly warped. The post above this one is a good indicator of what I "meant," but it would be a lot less involved than you think to really do what I'm suggesting. "Subvert a portion of your identity?" Come on. I'm not suggesting you dress up like a man, or that you should be avoiding contact. I'm saying that if it is so important to you to be picked up because if your actual talent, then don't make posts on TL drawing attention to the fact that you're a girl. Most gamer girls do exactly that. What I'm suggesting not only can be done, it has been done. There is a current female NA Grandmaster that will surprise a lot of people, when they find out the player is a girl. I'm pretty sure the number of people who know her true gender is less than ten. She has the same concern as the OP. She practices regularly with other Grandmasters (most of who do not know she is female), and discusses theory/etc on skype with far fewer. The people she does discuss this with have enough respect and responsibility to keep it quiet per her wishes. She plays a lot in online tournaments, and even showed up and dominated a local LAN event earlier this year without a lot of attention. No beards. Not even a smurf account. No one even posted the fact that a girl won it in the TL thread, it was just "Congrats to XXX!" The issue at hand isn't the female favoritism per se (which isn't going to change no matter who wants it to), but that the OP wants to avoid it. If she needs to take some very small steps to reach that goal, the prerogative is on her to make an effort, not the rest of the world to bend to her desires. If the goal is not to join a pro gaming team based on merit alone, but to change the thought processes of half the population, well, good luck with that. Omg, so much truth in this post... The most important thing is: don't try to change what you can't. Especially when you can avoid your personnal current issue by *not* posting about it. It's slightly off topic, but still: this reminds me of the "issue" of being white in Taiwan. One of the result is that everyone is 300% nice with you, help you as much as they can, etc. And this "because you're white". But still, I won't complain about it, and say "omg so sad, they're nice because I'm white !  ".Ok, I get a free cookie because I'm a foreigner, not because I truly deserve it. If I really want to prove I'm worth XYZ, there are probably tons of other ways (in this case, actually learn Mandarin, and earn big respect from it). In your case, actually win tournaments once you join the team. Or whatever you want to be good at. Sometimes, you get what you want, but not for the reasons you want... that's still better than not getting what you want at all? | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
I met you in Edinburgh at a LAN there which was pretty sweet and I was disappointed to hear you had retired, but whatever you do, I wish the best of luck | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
"If you announce you're a girl on public forums, you want the attention, good or bad." Eh... | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
If any events continue to pop up like that you might as well exploit it, what's the disadvantage for you other than being seen as a 'mascot' (which you wouldn't be criticized for if you were actually decent and beat the other crappy female pro's, who would get that negative image). I think Jongmi is playing now though and will be better than you and all the other females so it's probably too late. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
edit: Ok I read the comment above me and felt immature so I went back to read the op :p Like it or not, being a girl means you differ from 99.99% of other players. So bias is to be expected and that only means you have to try even harder to prove yourself. You can find quite a bunch of movies playing around the same general scenario, it's really nothing to surprise you. If you still want it I say go for it  | ||
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Kerotan
England2109 Posts
Part of me thinks we should just suck it and see, the minority was always get defined by these sort of characteristics, First female pro, first UK pro etc, first paraplegic pro, hopefully we can just move past it, and anyone that kicks up a fuss about a players gender should be laughed out. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:20 needcomputer wrote: ok but I have a serious question: are you hot? seems like they only recruit hot girls and there are a few GM girls that aren't on a pro team... User was warned for this post I don't see this as a jab at women so much as it's a jab at what current e-sports teams are doing *cough*e-Sahara*cough*. If you've got the skills, teams should pick you up regardless of gender. It'll be fine even if there's a bit of affirmative action going on to encourage female gamers to train, but if you're just going to be that token girl gamer "mascot" then it's a pretty idiotic idea. | ||
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