EPTA Rational Take on the Naniwa Situation - Page 2
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decerto
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Hypertension
United States802 Posts
But every foreigner vs korean game has meaning beyond the game. For example, think about 2 teams that are historic rivals, when they play their fans expect a hard fought game regardless of the big picture. + Show Spoiler + I can't imagine the New York Giants ever taking a football game against the Cowboys lightly, even if the season was already over. I even remember specific games that showed the opposite. Can you imagine a Monday night game between these teams where they sat most of their starters? And football players risk injury, which rarely affects a SC2 game. After reading your article I am forced to agree that this isn't that big a deal, but I still think it is totally understandable that Naniwa lost some fans today. Still, thank you for writing this. I bookmarked your site, and will try to read more of your stuff later. | ||
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iS.flick
Switzerland47 Posts
There's many tournaments where you might end up having to play a meaningless game, the World Cup comes to mind, do you think a team that's 0-2 will just lose intentionally? You think they'll score own-goals intentionally? No, it's a matter of principles. Obviously you're not going to be playing as hard, but you should still play to win. Though I admit, in the sporting world, you still have financials gains for a win, even if it doesn't mean anything. So maybe next time, GOM should pay people for a win, like $1000 or $500. I think that would make a lot of sense. | ||
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:34 Crashburn wrote: Right, that's the arbitrary line I was talking about. If we declare worker rushes a disrespectful tactic, what precedent is there to stop us from doing the same with cannon rushes, or bunker pushes, or 6 pool + spine rushes? what is the win percentage for a worker rush as opposed to a 6 pool or bunker / cannon rushes? disrespectful tactic is not what I'm referring to, I'm referring to losing the game on purpose | ||
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dolvlo
United States99 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:19 Itsmedudeman wrote: So let's say a team goes 0-X or just has a bad record. They're gonna play the last game of the season with 0 chance to make it in the playoffs. What do they do? They shit on everyone around them by fucking around. Let's say it was football. The other team's running back gets through and no one chases after him, no one does anything to even try to save a bit of their dignity and give fans who payed and stayed loyal a show or at least some sign of trying. Who would defend that as a fan? Calm down dude, Naniwa did what was in his best interest: not showing his strategy against NesTea on that map. Moreover, he didn't waste the viewers time with a meaningless game. I appreciated it. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:37 leo23 wrote: what is the win percentage for a worker rush as opposed to a 6 pool or bunker / cannon rushes? disrespectful tactic is not what I'm referring to, I'm referring to losing the game on purpose How do you know he "wanted" to lose that game? He obviously didnt want to play a long game, but that doesnt make him want to lose. Polt and MMA clearly didnt want to play long games either, but people arent freaking out about that. | ||
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spessmuhreen
6 Posts
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Ripper62
Australia9 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33678 Posts
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:38 aderum wrote: How do you know he "wanted" to lose that game? He obviously didnt want to play a long game, but that doesnt make him want to lose. Polt and MMA clearly didnt want to play long games either, but people arent freaking out about that. how can you say this? of course he wanted to lose, he did a worker rush which can't really win VS a professional player. if that's not wanting to lose then I don't know what it is | ||
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
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Bashnek
Australia895 Posts
I mean really, it was probably the most memorable game of the night, right? | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
You made the comparison to real sports and if I try to think of any european soccer team (havin no more chance to win the league they are in) that enters the field and just refuses to play (which is exactly what naniwa did) would be in serious trouble. The team Management would make every player pay huge sums of money as a contractual penalty. Probably the League itself would punish the Club as well. In the end it is pretty simple. If you choose to become a professional player - just fucking play the game, even when you`re in a mentaly difficult position. It is not only your job to advance in tournaments, entertaining the crowd (by showing good games) is similar important. edit: read this article from a korean esport website to get some more information. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294348 | ||
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:33 Waxangel wrote: EPL actually has a rule that says you must field a full strength side or something tho, unlike american sports Aah I did not know that, thanks Wax. | ||
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ShiniSama
United States103 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On December 13 2011 22:41 leo23 wrote: how can you say this? of course he wanted to lose, he did a worker rush which can't really win VS a professional player. if that's not wanting to lose then I don't know what it is No he wanted to play a short game, you dont know is he wanted to lose. "@LorangerChris Stephano 6pooled cloud twice in a row when he was 0-3 in a game that actually mattered. Nobody gave a shit. Haters gonna hate" were you as upset when this happened in a game that actually mattered? | ||
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Takkara
United States2503 Posts
So if someone does a strategy with such an absurdly low rate of success and an even lower rate of fan entertainment, that's obviously going to be seen as disrespectful in Korea because that runs counter to the fundamental essence of why they even play the games. This doesn't make one view of the situation more right than any other. But, each side of this equation is free to be offended or to not be offended individually according to their own sensibilities. It's no surprise that Koreans would be upset about this or that any fans would be upset about this. | ||
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Bru
Sweden184 Posts
Stephano did it less than a month ago in games who really matterd, idra have done it on numerous ocations but no big twitter rants etc.... its double standard at its best. | ||
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