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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 09 2011 01:15 GMT
#21
On December 09 2011 10:00 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not sure no would be a strong enough term to express my opinion on those changes, but I clicked it for lack of a stronger worded opposition. Here are some notes on why:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 09 2011 09:16 Zaros wrote:

Expenditure

Privatise National Health Service (NHS) - Provide a subsidy for anyone earning less than the new 2nd highest rate of income tax.

The NHS whilst already suffering major budget cuts in a bid to force quality down and sell it off piece by piece to the private sector is already having privatisation bids have a terrible impact on healthcare. PFI initiatives are already the biggest single cause of NHS related debt, and a for-profit system will only further reduce care whilst driving up costs. We can already see the result of private healthcare and insurance in the US and whilst it may only be a matter of years before we end up there here, rushing towards it would eradicate all hope of keeping a free at the point of use, universal healthcare system.

We should instead immediately remove the private sector from the NHS, cut debts to PFI scheme's and invest in jobs and training throughout hospitals in the UK.

Reduce all Benefits levels by 15% (see VAT tax reduction)

Provided that benefits were increased and reduced in line with VAT to result in the same spending power this may be acceptable, but current benefit levels are already too low with most cash issues arising from the poorly written legislation and failed economic policies of creating jobs, not from those on benefits being over paid. At a time with the highest youth unemplyment rate in the history of our country we should be very careful about penalising those with no options.

Cut university funding to all "bad" universities (Any universities that firms regard degrees as effectively pointless and a college course would be just as good(potentially leave only 120 universities across the UK))

All university education should be free. End fee's and ensure there are enough quality positions for everyone.

Evaluate all government advice/charitable agencies/organisations with regards to reducing funding up to and including a 100% reduction.

Such a vague statement it's impossible to oppose, but it would depend on the results of the evaluation.

Look into part privatisation of education.

NO. For-profit education is a truely terrible idea. Education should be independant, of a strict quality and free for all.

Increase science research and development spending by at least 100%.

I'm not expert enough to know the results of this for jobs and opportunites in the UK, and I wonder if you are?

Evaluate all religious,cultural and recreational funding.

Again, evaluation is fine if it is with a goal to improving services and value for money without cutting services or jobs.

Evaluate all employment,enterprise and environment spending.

Another vague "evaluate" that could not be judged until after propsals were made.

Cut all European Union Funding.

I'm not a fan of the EU, but this is actually insane. Cutting innapropriate funding is one thing but to decide to basically cut all ties with the EU is to leave the UK with little to no trading options and a potentially politically hostile environment in which to try to secure stronger growth.

Increase Defence budget by approximately 50%

There is no reason for such an increase, we don't need to be spending more money on imperialist conquest. Better care for returning soldiers and their families, but I'm not convined by your seemingly random number, nor am I intimately familiar with the UK defense budget allocations as it stands, or that simply throwing 50% more money at them will help.

Tax

Reduce Value added Tax (VAT) to 5% from 20%

Scrap all fuel duty

Various Income Tax Changes - No one pays tax below £20,000 a year.
£20,000-£35,000 10%
£35,000-£75,000 20%
£75,000+ 30%

Scrap National Insurance

Increase Taxes on alcohol, tobacco and betting.

New Tax on legalised drugs at 60% (see Laws and regulation)

Reduce corporation tax - Main rate to 15%
- Small profits rate to 5%
- Special rate to 10%.

Half all capital gains taxes.

Reduce inheritance tax to 35%.

Double all Stamp duty rates but provide 0% Stamp duty for first time buyers.

5% Tax break for all new nuclear power stations.


These tax plans are so regressive as to be almost confused with an attempt to wipe out the poor by way of starvation and lack of services. 5% VAT, no National Insurance (on top of your earlier plan for priavte education and healthcare????) with tax on things most likely used by poorer members of society whilst providing massive tax breaks to the rich? The same rich who already owe more in tax than every form of benefit fraud put together several times over? The only thing that would be universally helpful is the fuel duty plan which in itself would be extremly short sighted.

Laws and regulation

Legalise many currently illegal drugs on the advice of doctors such as cannabis with strict regulation and a new 60% tax on all of the newly legalised drugs.

Price control of all products directly affected by fuel duty for one year to enforce a reduction in price.

This would be redundant as if the prices were to rise steeply they would do so at the end of that year anyway, but most likely competition would in this instance force prices lower either way. The only way to ensure constant fair prices is to nationalise the industry.

Legalise Personal piracy for a product that has been released for one year or more.

Set up the Nuclear Power Regulatory Comity (NPRC) to inspect all nuclear power stations every year for safety and to decide on any future regulation.

This would be redundant based on current inspection and safety guidelines.

Merge all U.K. Competition authorities into one organisation and relax monopoly regulation.

Preventing monopolys is a good thing, even in capitalist societys.

Ban smoking and Drug use in all non-private areas (including cars.)

New government Rule - Magic Formula - The British Government may only run a budget deficit in recessions or extreme economic circumstances.

Given the way that most government spending works that would be interesting to see attempted. Not that I'm against the idea in principal though.

Semi-Legalise Polygamy - Must marry all at the same time/place as to not deceive.

Hardly the most pressing issue but if people are desperate for it (is anyone?) then I imagine it oculd be looked in to, remembering to consider all the taxation, housing and family issues that would arise.

Other

Leave the European Union but promote free trade and immigration with all "friendly" countries. (Free trade should be the neutral/default position)

As someone who doesn't support the EU (which is run almost entirely against the best interests of the people of Europe) simply leaving is completely the wrong call.

Seek invasion of Iran through the UN Security Council with NATO to remove the nuclear threat.

There is currently no reason to invade Iran.

Attempt to extend "Parliament Life" to eight years with a referendum after five years.

All politicians should be subject to recall if they're no longer representing their voters sufficiently. 4-5 years is already too long, 8 years should be out of the question. So no.

More actively Persue Tax evaders

With your plan to reduce taxes on them by so much and at the same time serve massive sections of public jobs up for free profit, you just might not have to chase them anymore.

So those are my current policies so would you elect me?

I would actively fight against your election on those policies.


Thank you for your input, we clearly have different economic ideologies especially about the NHS, with the leaving the EU, I would try to keep the free trade and immigration with these countries which you seem to have missed me saying, and i would see no reason for them not to accept as it benefits those countries to have free trade.

About my tax reductions i would say they are more progressive..., VAT is a regressive tax and so reducing it by 15% is progressive, then noone paying tax up to £20000 is incredible progressive for todays standards so i dont really see your point here. Yes im letting the rich pay less tax but the rich at the moment barely pay tax because of smar accountants, so I'm giving them less of an incentive to avoid paying tax.

The defence budget will be used to provide all military personal the proper equipment which they lack at the moment and provide better after care, with the remainder of the budget increase going to whatever the ministry of defence feels it needs.

For the parliament life, you must think that politicians dont have short term policies also i have stated a referendum after 5 years on whether not there would be an early election which is the same as now so polticians would be accountable and also the government would still need a majority anyway or there could be an election after 1 year.

But i fear you are of a different ideaology than me and you do not like the free market so its hard to debate with you.
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:16:58
December 09 2011 01:16 GMT
#22
Its obvious you weren't doing a degree in politics, nearly all of your polices are the antithesis of pragmatism, and some down right unpopular.

Ones I particularly dislike,
Invasion of Iran: Because god knows we need another war for our troops to die in.
Increase Military spending by 50%: Again, I would rather that our soldier's weren't fighting in wars, so we wouldn't have to spend so much money on them. But it makes sense I guess if your going to invade Iran.
Reduce all Benefits levels by 15% (see VAT tax reduction): Fuck the disabled and the old! Now, this may have not been you initial intent, but "benefits" are more than just the dole.
Cut university funding to all "bad" universities (Any universities that firms regard degrees as effectively pointless and a college course would be just as good(potentially leave only 120 universities across the UK): Hey fuck Philosophers!, what has a philosopher ever made, ever produced, that I could hold in my hand and sell for a profit? Thats right, nothing!
I'm not sure it would be possible to ever privatise the NHS, the public backlash would be incredible, and I do not believe in market fundamentalism, especially when healthcare is involved.

A notable exception: You are seemingly very libertarian in your views on drugs etc, and even semi-legalise polygamy, but you do not include any provision to make gay marriage legal.

Ones I liked:
Legalise Personal piracy for a product that has been released for one year or more.
Set up the Nuclear Power Regulatory Comity (NPRC) to inspect all nuclear power stations every year for safety and to decide on any future regulation.
5% Tax break for all new nuclear power stations.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 09 2011 01:17 GMT
#23
On December 09 2011 10:09 JonnyClark wrote:

this is so good bro


zaros, i disagree with almost all of it, but the one thing that got me was the privatization of education. can i get your thoughts on that? i just can't understand your motives.



I said I would look into it, I would by no means 100% privatise education. I would just look for areas which the private sector could do a better job and save the tax payer some money but in the end if there is nothing then there would be 0% privatisation.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
December 09 2011 01:18 GMT
#24
how about you just re-form the nhs completely so it isnt a mess
ban smoking in cars , why isnt car considered personal space??
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:23:21
December 09 2011 01:20 GMT
#25
On December 09 2011 10:16 Kerotan wrote:
Its obvious you weren't doing a degree in politics, nearly all of your polices are the antithesis of pragmatism, and some down right unpopular.

Ones I particularly dislike,
Invasion of Iran: Because god knows we need another war for our troops to die in.
Increase Military spending by 50%: Again, I would rather that our soldier's weren't fighting in wars, so we wouldn't have to spend so much money on them. But it makes sense I guess if your going to invade Iran.
Reduce all Benefits levels by 15% (see VAT tax reduction): Fuck the disabled and the old! Now, this may have not been you initial intent, but "benefits" are more than just the dole.
Cut university funding to all "bad" universities (Any universities that firms regard degrees as effectively pointless and a college course would be just as good(potentially leave only 120 universities across the UK): Hey fuck Philosophers!, what has a philosopher ever made, ever produced, that I could hold in my hand and sell for a profit? Thats right, nothing!
I'm not sure it would be possible to ever privatise the NHS, the public backlash would be incredible, and I do not believe in market fundamentalism, especially when healthcare is involved.

A notable exception: You are seemingly very libertarian in your views on drugs etc, and even semi-legalise polygamy, but you do not include any provision to make gay marriage legal.

Ones I liked:
Legalise Personal piracy for a product that has been released for one year or more.
Set up the Nuclear Power Regulatory Comity (NPRC) to inspect all nuclear power stations every year for safety and to decide on any future regulation.
5% Tax break for all new nuclear power stations.


Im not 100% sure on the Gay marriage laws I believe you can have a civil partnership, but marriage is a religious word and so it is hard/impossible to tell the church of england/ or any other church to marry gay couples but if it were possible then yes I would legalise all forms of gay marriage, i hope that helps.

I dont understand your fuck philosophers arguement, if you study philosophy at a good university the degree is worth something, studying philosophy at a top 30 university is better than studying poltics or economics at some university that will accept anyone with D's at A level.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 09 2011 01:21 GMT
#26
On December 09 2011 10:18 FFGenerations wrote:
how about you just re-form the nhs completely so it isnt a mess
ban smoking in cars , why isnt car considered personal space??


Because its on a public road and smoking in cars causes high toxidity levels for children.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
December 09 2011 01:23 GMT
#27
i think a lot of uni courses should be privatised and/or turned into apprentice schemes
basically "aprenticeship" becomes the new degree for the common people (and i dont mean giving them a food safety certificate LOL). so people can more easily do "plumbing" than "media studies"
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
December 09 2011 01:24 GMT
#28
On December 09 2011 10:21 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:18 FFGenerations wrote:
how about you just re-form the nhs completely so it isnt a mess
ban smoking in cars , why isnt car considered personal space??


Because its on a public road and smoking in cars causes high toxidity levels for children.


you fuckin nuts? you think cars dont produce as much smoke as a cigarette?
smoking with a child in the car is legit but hence your law should be against smoking with a child in the car and not smoking in a car which discriminates against practically 90% of smokers
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 09 2011 01:25 GMT
#29
On December 09 2011 10:23 FFGenerations wrote:
i think a lot of uni courses should be privatised and/or turned into apprentice schemes
basically "aprenticeship" becomes the new degree for the common people (and i dont mean giving them a food safety certificate LOL). so people can more easily do "plumbing" than "media studies"


My point on the university thing is that some degrees in bad universities are not worth doing, you would be better spent doing an apprenticeship and so it would be helping some people have better job prospects by not giving them the option of a bad university.
Tomazi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom158 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:27:04
December 09 2011 01:26 GMT
#30
I read the post, and instantly knew it was the naive droolings of an economics student. Surely your A-level economics explained why privatising public goods is not helpful? Especially in large populations?
Aspiring to be MKP's butler
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 09 2011 01:27 GMT
#31
On December 09 2011 10:24 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:21 Zaros wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:18 FFGenerations wrote:
how about you just re-form the nhs completely so it isnt a mess
ban smoking in cars , why isnt car considered personal space??


Because its on a public road and smoking in cars causes high toxidity levels for children.


you fuckin nuts? you think cars dont produce as much smoke as a cigarette?
smoking with a child in the car is legit but hence your law should be against smoking with a child in the car and not smoking in a car which discriminates against practically 90% of smokers


You drive your car on a public road and so it would be banned, if you want to smoke in your car in your own garage then go ahead. But smoking causes alot of damage to people who themselves do not smoke and so i do not think it should be legal in any public place.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:29:28
December 09 2011 01:28 GMT
#32
On December 09 2011 10:26 Tomazi wrote:
I read the post, and instantly knew it was the naive droolings of an economics student. Surely your A-level economics explained why privatising public goods is not helpful? Especially in large populations?


Give me some proper reasons and then ill respond to you with my thoughts on them, you never know i might suprise you, also health care and education are not Public goods.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
December 09 2011 01:30 GMT
#33
how do you know what its like in a "bad" university? i think they pretty much try to cover a standard syllabus and have quite a dedicated body of hard-working staff? plus unis generally teach a lot of courses, maybe some of those dont live up to your standard (still confused how you work out that only X number of them are "good enough") but other courses in that same uni do? maybe you want to just evaluate and re-form the entire education syllabus tho
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:32:26
December 09 2011 01:31 GMT
#34
On December 09 2011 10:30 FFGenerations wrote:
how do you know what its like in a "bad" university? i think they pretty much try to cover a standard syllabus and have quite a dedicated body of hard-working staff? plus unis generally teach a lot of courses, maybe some of those dont live up to your standard (still confused how you work out that only X number of them are "good enough") but other courses in that same uni do? maybe you want to just evaluate and re-form the entire education syllabus tho


I probably have come up with an arbitary number for universities but yes i want to reform the lower end of the university system and cutting there funding is a way to do that.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
December 09 2011 01:31 GMT
#35
On December 09 2011 10:27 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:24 FFGenerations wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:21 Zaros wrote:
On December 09 2011 10:18 FFGenerations wrote:
how about you just re-form the nhs completely so it isnt a mess
ban smoking in cars , why isnt car considered personal space??


Because its on a public road and smoking in cars causes high toxidity levels for children.


you fuckin nuts? you think cars dont produce as much smoke as a cigarette?
smoking with a child in the car is legit but hence your law should be against smoking with a child in the car and not smoking in a car which discriminates against practically 90% of smokers


You drive your car on a public road and so it would be banned, if you want to smoke in your car in your own garage then go ahead. But smoking causes alot of damage to people who themselves do not smoke and so i do not think it should be legal in any public place.


you not making sense. but i gotta go
Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
December 09 2011 01:33 GMT
#36
No chance would I vote for that.

Banning smoking everywhere? No. And im not even a smoker.

Cutting benefits? What you mean by that? If you mean cutting off all the benefit abusers by 15% then fine, but if you mean reducing benefits by 15%, these are way too low to begin with. And as we stand, some decent young people actually depend on them since youth unemployement has reached record rates in this country.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 09 2011 01:35 GMT
#37
On December 09 2011 10:33 Psychobabas wrote:
No chance would I vote for that.

Banning smoking everywhere? No. And im not even a smoker.

Cutting benefits? What you mean by that? If you mean cutting off all the benefit abusers by 15% then fine, but if you mean reducing benefits by 15%, these are way too low to begin with. And as we stand, some decent young people actually depend on them since youth unemployement has reached record rates in this country.


Now its hard to put my point of view across to you because you say they are too low in the first place. Why are they too low? Also scrapping fuel duty should reduce the price of everything in the economy plus the VAT cut.
Tomazi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom158 Posts
December 09 2011 01:37 GMT
#38
In the real world, there may be no such thing as an absolutely non-rivaled and non-excludable good; but economists think that some goods approximate the concept closely enough for the analysis to be economically useful.

I think this definitely apples. If anything is a public good, these are.
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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
December 09 2011 01:42 GMT
#39
On December 09 2011 10:37 Tomazi wrote:
In the real world, there may be no such thing as an absolutely non-rivaled and non-excludable good; but economists think that some goods approximate the concept closely enough for the analysis to be economically useful.

I think this definitely apples. If anything is a public good, these are.


I dont understand why you think they are even close.

If i consume a Public good it shouldnt stop anyone else consuming it and I should be able to use a public good without paying for it.

For health care noone can consume the same health care I consume at the same time and I cant be a "free rider" of health care I would have to pay for it or someone would have to pay for it for me like the government and so health care isn't remotely close to either of those definitions.

Education is less so but as i stated i would only look into privatisation to see the options and would never 100% privatise.
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 01:51:56
December 09 2011 01:48 GMT
#40
On December 09 2011 10:15 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 10:00 Iyerbeth wrote:
I'm not sure no would be a strong enough term to express my opinion on those changes, but I clicked it for lack of a stronger worded opposition. Here are some notes on why:

+ Show Spoiler +
On December 09 2011 09:16 Zaros wrote:

Expenditure

Privatise National Health Service (NHS) - Provide a subsidy for anyone earning less than the new 2nd highest rate of income tax.

The NHS whilst already suffering major budget cuts in a bid to force quality down and sell it off piece by piece to the private sector is already having privatisation bids have a terrible impact on healthcare. PFI initiatives are already the biggest single cause of NHS related debt, and a for-profit system will only further reduce care whilst driving up costs. We can already see the result of private healthcare and insurance in the US and whilst it may only be a matter of years before we end up there here, rushing towards it would eradicate all hope of keeping a free at the point of use, universal healthcare system.

We should instead immediately remove the private sector from the NHS, cut debts to PFI scheme's and invest in jobs and training throughout hospitals in the UK.

Reduce all Benefits levels by 15% (see VAT tax reduction)

Provided that benefits were increased and reduced in line with VAT to result in the same spending power this may be acceptable, but current benefit levels are already too low with most cash issues arising from the poorly written legislation and failed economic policies of creating jobs, not from those on benefits being over paid. At a time with the highest youth unemplyment rate in the history of our country we should be very careful about penalising those with no options.

Cut university funding to all "bad" universities (Any universities that firms regard degrees as effectively pointless and a college course would be just as good(potentially leave only 120 universities across the UK))

All university education should be free. End fee's and ensure there are enough quality positions for everyone.

Evaluate all government advice/charitable agencies/organisations with regards to reducing funding up to and including a 100% reduction.

Such a vague statement it's impossible to oppose, but it would depend on the results of the evaluation.

Look into part privatisation of education.

NO. For-profit education is a truely terrible idea. Education should be independant, of a strict quality and free for all.

Increase science research and development spending by at least 100%.

I'm not expert enough to know the results of this for jobs and opportunites in the UK, and I wonder if you are?

Evaluate all religious,cultural and recreational funding.

Again, evaluation is fine if it is with a goal to improving services and value for money without cutting services or jobs.

Evaluate all employment,enterprise and environment spending.

Another vague "evaluate" that could not be judged until after propsals were made.

Cut all European Union Funding.

I'm not a fan of the EU, but this is actually insane. Cutting innapropriate funding is one thing but to decide to basically cut all ties with the EU is to leave the UK with little to no trading options and a potentially politically hostile environment in which to try to secure stronger growth.

Increase Defence budget by approximately 50%

There is no reason for such an increase, we don't need to be spending more money on imperialist conquest. Better care for returning soldiers and their families, but I'm not convined by your seemingly random number, nor am I intimately familiar with the UK defense budget allocations as it stands, or that simply throwing 50% more money at them will help.

Tax

Reduce Value added Tax (VAT) to 5% from 20%

Scrap all fuel duty

Various Income Tax Changes - No one pays tax below £20,000 a year.
£20,000-£35,000 10%
£35,000-£75,000 20%
£75,000+ 30%

Scrap National Insurance

Increase Taxes on alcohol, tobacco and betting.

New Tax on legalised drugs at 60% (see Laws and regulation)

Reduce corporation tax - Main rate to 15%
- Small profits rate to 5%
- Special rate to 10%.

Half all capital gains taxes.

Reduce inheritance tax to 35%.

Double all Stamp duty rates but provide 0% Stamp duty for first time buyers.

5% Tax break for all new nuclear power stations.


These tax plans are so regressive as to be almost confused with an attempt to wipe out the poor by way of starvation and lack of services. 5% VAT, no National Insurance (on top of your earlier plan for priavte education and healthcare????) with tax on things most likely used by poorer members of society whilst providing massive tax breaks to the rich? The same rich who already owe more in tax than every form of benefit fraud put together several times over? The only thing that would be universally helpful is the fuel duty plan which in itself would be extremly short sighted.

Laws and regulation

Legalise many currently illegal drugs on the advice of doctors such as cannabis with strict regulation and a new 60% tax on all of the newly legalised drugs.

Price control of all products directly affected by fuel duty for one year to enforce a reduction in price.

This would be redundant as if the prices were to rise steeply they would do so at the end of that year anyway, but most likely competition would in this instance force prices lower either way. The only way to ensure constant fair prices is to nationalise the industry.

Legalise Personal piracy for a product that has been released for one year or more.

Set up the Nuclear Power Regulatory Comity (NPRC) to inspect all nuclear power stations every year for safety and to decide on any future regulation.

This would be redundant based on current inspection and safety guidelines.

Merge all U.K. Competition authorities into one organisation and relax monopoly regulation.

Preventing monopolys is a good thing, even in capitalist societys.

Ban smoking and Drug use in all non-private areas (including cars.)

New government Rule - Magic Formula - The British Government may only run a budget deficit in recessions or extreme economic circumstances.

Given the way that most government spending works that would be interesting to see attempted. Not that I'm against the idea in principal though.

Semi-Legalise Polygamy - Must marry all at the same time/place as to not deceive.

Hardly the most pressing issue but if people are desperate for it (is anyone?) then I imagine it oculd be looked in to, remembering to consider all the taxation, housing and family issues that would arise.

Other

Leave the European Union but promote free trade and immigration with all "friendly" countries. (Free trade should be the neutral/default position)

As someone who doesn't support the EU (which is run almost entirely against the best interests of the people of Europe) simply leaving is completely the wrong call.

Seek invasion of Iran through the UN Security Council with NATO to remove the nuclear threat.

There is currently no reason to invade Iran.

Attempt to extend "Parliament Life" to eight years with a referendum after five years.

All politicians should be subject to recall if they're no longer representing their voters sufficiently. 4-5 years is already too long, 8 years should be out of the question. So no.

More actively Persue Tax evaders

With your plan to reduce taxes on them by so much and at the same time serve massive sections of public jobs up for free profit, you just might not have to chase them anymore.

So those are my current policies so would you elect me?

I would actively fight against your election on those policies.


Thank you for your input, we clearly have different economic ideologies especially about the NHS, with the leaving the EU, I would try to keep the free trade and immigration with these countries which you seem to have missed me saying, and i would see no reason for them not to accept as it benefits those countries to have free trade.

About my tax reductions i would say they are more progressive..., VAT is a regressive tax and so reducing it by 15% is progressive, then noone paying tax up to £20000 is incredible progressive for todays standards so i dont really see your point here. Yes im letting the rich pay less tax but the rich at the moment barely pay tax because of smar accountants, so I'm giving them less of an incentive to avoid paying tax.

The defence budget will be used to provide all military personal the proper equipment which they lack at the moment and provide better after care, with the remainder of the budget increase going to whatever the ministry of defence feels it needs.

For the parliament life, you must think that politicians dont have short term policies also i have stated a referendum after 5 years on whether not there would be an early election which is the same as now so polticians would be accountable and also the government would still need a majority anyway or there could be an election after 1 year.

But i fear you are of a different ideaology than me and you do not like the free market so its hard to debate with you.


Thank you for your reply. Without meaning to advertise my specific party alliegance here (would seem to be in bad taste, and nothing I said is representative of the group anyway) if you know your political history I joined the militant lot (though I was a bit young when they were still connected to The Militant) so yeah it's probably fair to say we're ideologically different but hopefully that'll give you some insight as to how different. So yeah, you're probably right about a debate between us being difficult when covering such a wide range of topics, though if any specific discussion points come up that may be more constructive.

Just a couple of brief points beyond that though, whilst I still also stand by everything I said in my original post.

I agree with your position on VAT being itself a regressive tax, I was referring more generally to the tax plan when taken as a whole which as you yourself admit results in less taxation of the rich with fewer services and more privatisation for the poor, that is regressive and would result in loss of jobs, loss of health care and sick cover, reduction in overall benefits and an overall quality of life reduction for those who can't afford to be 100% self sufficient in every aspect of life.

As to the life of the parliament as whole, if at any point the elected officials aren't representing the electorate then they should be subject to recall, regardless of how long their plans are. This would force a more transparent system where politicans would need to justify themselves constantly rather than just being secure in a job for 5 years and only worrying about 6 months either side of an election, whilst at the same time encouraging wider political involvement from communities.
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