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Advice on a career in the SC2 pro scene

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Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 02:17 GMT
#1
So, I've decided that I am going to pursue a career in SC2, but not in the way most people do. I don't want to be a pro player I want to be a General Manager or some kind of "Big shot behind the scenes" kind of title. Like SirScoots or the General Manager of EG (I'm sorry I forgot his name). To do this though, I'm using a logical approach and I'm looking for a good college major for this kind of thing. I'm thinking I could knock out my generals in my first 1-2 years and then finish up my college at Yonsei University. That way I can learn Korean and stay there for awhile and finish up my college in their management program. Hopefully I can then become an intern for a major Korean team or maybe GOMTV. After a couple years there, I want to return and work for an American team, using my knowledge of the Korean language and connections to help manage the team and make a living with my dream. My question is, can I actually do this? By that, I mean can I actually find an internship, and a team? do teams need someone that could speak, read, and write Korean? Would my choice of degree be appropriate or is there another type of program that would help me in this field? Any advice or information about this is welcome. Thank you!

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
November 30 2011 02:32 GMT
#2
I'd recommend studying something somewhat technical in college, such as finance, rather than a less technical major like marketing or general business.

You'd probably be better off coming at things from the "other end", getting into a management or consultancy position from the direction of the money, rather than the team-- such as working for IGN or the marketing segment of razer. More than that I can't say.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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FaZe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada472 Posts
November 30 2011 02:32 GMT
#3
Day9 said it best,
djWheat, Husky, Tasteless,
They all just did it.

I would find other things with transferable experience and start doing those. A piece of paper from a school is great, but you need real world knowledge. Volunteer to manage a local sports team, handle a budget, do some work for a local news station. Set your eyes on your goal, and don't let a day go by without getting closer to that goal.
"Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none."
Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 02:57 GMT
#4
@Blazinghand, I want to manage a team though, I know that going from the direction of the money is the more stable approach to e-sports but I really wanted to be involved with the teams, not the sponsors.

@FaZe Casting is a little different from the business side of a team. Its much better for my chances of being considered as an intern (or an employee) if I have a degree. Obviously the things you mentioned would help me, and would be a great thing to have on a resume, but the college part of it is just as important if not more so for the business and management end. Hopefully the internship, which will probably be the most difficult thing for me to find, is what will get me the real world experience. I would hope that an e-sports team wouldn't hire someone who came and said, "Hey, I don't have a college degree, but I've been a little league coach. Can I be your GM?" I know for lesser known teams that might fly because the just need someone to fill the spot but for a team like EG I doubt they would accept someone just because they had some kind of semi-applicable knowledge.
Kfish
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Chile282 Posts
November 30 2011 03:00 GMT
#5
What I would do:

Find a team that is not managed and has players that practice and want to take a risk with you.

Manage them! Give them a schedule to follow, find tournaments for them and make them sign up.
Find a coach for them.

Win something -> attract sponsors -> start "business"

Sounds easy, must be terribly hard but rewarding.

Good luck sir.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-30 03:09:53
November 30 2011 03:04 GMT
#6
Personally, I think SC2's future is too unpredictable for such plans. Besides, you may need a few years to achieve that.
If I was you, I'd play safe and go for an already well-established career/job. Yes, we all love SC2, but this is an important decision regarding your life and it needs to be considered well and long enough.
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
November 30 2011 03:10 GMT
#7
What do you expect to be doing as a team general manager? Saying you want to be involved in the team aspects but not the financial aspects seems a bit contradictory for what a general manager is normally involved in.
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Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
November 30 2011 03:10 GMT
#8
Depends on what you want to do. If you want to manage shit, if you want to run the sound and set up all the events, all of it DEPENDS on what you're interested in doing. If you think you'll be the next Sundance, well, I hate to the baron of bad news but you probably won't. Not everyone can be an Astronaut, unfortunately. However, it's very possible, if you put your mind to it, to do some cool shit behind the curtains of SC2. Just don't expect to get a lot of glory and whatnot from it.
Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 03:11 GMT
#9
@Kfish Kind of hard to do in my position. I'm 16 (going on 17) and I've tried managing teams and 1 of 2 things happen

1. The players and the rest of the structure isn't as serious and devoted as I am. Thus, I have ended up leaving do to unprofessional behavior or immaturity such as: Stupid squabbles between players, players being inactive, lack of skill and commitment to become better, lack of work ethic.

2. Players are much older and are more professional, but because I'm so young they doubt my ability, or I am given a lesser position that has much less power or pull and I end up not being able to accomplish anything.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
November 30 2011 03:14 GMT
#10
On November 30 2011 12:10 Fruscainte wrote:
Depends on what you want to do. If you want to manage shit, if you want to run the sound and set up all the events, all of it DEPENDS on what you're interested in doing. If you think you'll be the next Sundance, well, I hate to the baron of bad news but you probably won't. Not everyone can be an Astronaut, unfortunately. However, it's very possible, if you put your mind to it, to do some cool shit behind the curtains of SC2. Just don't expect to get a lot of glory and whatnot from it.


Yep, a lot of people consider only outcomes of being someone (a.k.a glory/rewards), but not everyone thinks of how hard it is (responsibilities) and sometimes risky.
Kfish
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Chile282 Posts
November 30 2011 03:17 GMT
#11
What can you do at the age of 16... hmmm thats a tough one!

Ask yourself this, what would the much older and professional players need from you to trust you besides your age?

Answer that question and start working on those skills.

If you can't find a team, make one. It will probably suck at first but since you will be in charge you can weed out the players that you find are unprofessional and immature or whatever. Use this team as practice.

And most important just keep at it, if its your dream follow it. But do so with a plan, study something relevant to your dream.
Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 03:24 GMT
#12
@ Myles What I meant from that post was that I didn't want to work for the Marketing Division of Razer because I wanted to be working more with the individual team instead of working from the sponsoring end. As the General Manager though I would be interacting with potential sponsors, work on creating PR events, make sure all players are content with current conditions and meet their needs as best as possible, work with the rest of the white collar division of the team on the current needs, Establish the budget of the team, make sure all players are attending tournaments or streaming/coaching. Look for other staple positions for the team like the coach and fill them. Manage players at LAN tournaments and do things such as making sure players have everything they have to compete and make sure all planned appearances run smoothly and all matches are attended. That is just a taste of some of the things a general manager would be doing

@darkness I understand your concern, I have thought about doing this since I was 12 years of age, and I have decided that I will pursue this with all of my being, but having a degree in management and being able to speak a foreign language are all skills that are needed by a plethora of other businesses.

@Fruscainte I'm not looking to be a CEO, I just want to manage a team. I agree that not everyone can be an e-sports manager, but not many are attempting to do so at the moment.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
November 30 2011 03:28 GMT
#13
Well, you do realize that managing a team is A LOT of work, right? I mean, REALLY high stress work, late hours, probably low paying, and little reward in terms of respect or anything of that nature. Yeah sure, you have a chance of striking a home run and getting huge and just being amazing, but honestly -- you should consider your options. There's not much chance of success if you're in the United States, let's be frank here.
Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 03:30 GMT
#14
@Kfish That isn't a bad idea, but being in school at the moment I don't feel that I have the time to devote towards the team. The big issue though is that If I was the head of the team, at my age I am unable to sign a contract, which means no sponsors, which means no team

@darkness I'm not in it for the glory, I'm in it to help players. I don't want to become a GM and expect to be the next super star on SotG and Live on Three. I am fully aware that most likely my name will never be heard by the community, and that I won't walk into a room and all the pro players and big names in e-sports will want to have a conversation with me. I just want to be a small cog in the giant machine of e-sports.
Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 03:32 GMT
#15
@Fruscainte Completely agree with what you said. I want you to know that I understand that and I'm completely fine with not being able to support a family and will work from dawn to midnight. I am not concerned with that though because I am doing what I love and I'm shaping the future of e-sports one player at a time
Kfish
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Chile282 Posts
November 30 2011 03:33 GMT
#16
You have two years. Do what you can to gain experience so that when those two years pass, you sign on a contract on your birthday.

Dont be in a rush man, Esports will be waiting for you ^_^
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
November 30 2011 03:35 GMT
#17
On November 30 2011 12:24 Mr_Advantage wrote:
@ Myles What I meant from that post was that I didn't want to work for the Marketing Division of Razer because I wanted to be working more with the individual team instead of working from the sponsoring end. As the General Manager though I would be interacting with potential sponsors, work on creating PR events, make sure all players are content with current conditions and meet their needs as best as possible, work with the rest of the white collar division of the team on the current needs, Establish the budget of the team, make sure all players are attending tournaments or streaming/coaching. Look for other staple positions for the team like the coach and fill them. Manage players at LAN tournaments and do things such as making sure players have everything they have to compete and make sure all planned appearances run smoothly and all matches are attended. That is just a taste of some of the things a general manager would be doing.

Sorry, I missed the context of the reply. But that's good, you really understood what goes into this. I'm not exactly sure what goes into a management degree, but being good on the financial side only helps.
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Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 03:35 GMT
#18
@Kfish I will be, and I hope it will be
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
November 30 2011 03:35 GMT
#19
Well, all I got to say is, just think it over man. I know when I was 16 I was thinking of all this shit I was -definitely- going to do. It wasn't "I WANT TO BE A FIREMAN" and shit like that, either. We all have our little dreams, and if it's really what you want to do two years from now, well, no one's stopping you except yourself. Put your mind to anything and you can do almost anything. However, you really should put some honest thought into whether or not you'd be able to handle it at only 18 years old. Do realize that a lot of E-Sport Managers did not start out as them. They were managers for other, smaller shit. Or they were players. Or they were in the Scene for a LONG time beforehand and built up a reputation.
Mr_Advantage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
28 Posts
November 30 2011 03:40 GMT
#20
@Myles Sorry if i confused you, I thought you were referencing how I told Blazinghand that I didn't want to work with sponsors when you said that I didn't want to work with the finance and what I really meant was that I didn't want to work in Razer's marketing department I definitely will be involved in the Financials of a team.
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