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Dreamhack Winter Post-mortem - Page 10

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Darmuth
Profile Joined June 2011
United States62 Posts
November 29 2011 00:44 GMT
#181
For what little of Dreamhack I got to see, I was at my parents for Thanksgiving and well they still have a 56k connection and I had to watch from my phone, not to mention starting in the early hours for US (not complaining about it, I know not every tourney can be in my ideal timeframe) I think the whole group did a wonderful job.

About the couch, as an analyst I agree TB you didn't really have much to add compared to Apollo or Day[9], but that's not your role. Here's an idea throwing it out here, but if the situation arises again, what about leading the discussion by asking questions, like "What was he thinking with that build order?" things like that, lead the analysts in the discussion by pointing out the different parts of the match that you may think the crowd may be interested in. You already do this with Apollo a lot pre and during matches. Think that might be a better role for you on the couch, but from what little I could see I think yah should have been there, just not as an analyst roll, which you yourself stated is true.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
November 29 2011 00:56 GMT
#182
Impressive read, I've been an anti-fan of yours for a while but your improved casting with apollo at dreamhack and this blog have changed my mind completely.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
skiptomylou1231
Profile Joined January 2011
United States63 Posts
November 29 2011 00:59 GMT
#183
TotalBiscuit's analogy of Hero as Luke Skywalker and Puma as Darth Vader was brilliant.
Pabu
Profile Joined November 2011
5 Posts
November 29 2011 01:07 GMT
#184
The problem is that TB does not and has not ever done a GREAT job casting. While he is an entertaining personality that has a lot of fans, he does not know enough about the game to not sound entirely out of his depth. The casters in sports tournaments are retired professionals or respected authorities, and the same is said for 99% of the SC2 casters in the Esports community.
TB can't crack gold league and it shows as he is flustered, repeating things Apollo has said, or clearly making mistakes. While his enthusiasm is good for the game, he lack of knowledge is upsetting to hear as a fan.
TB either commit to the game and become more knowledgeable, or stop casting a level of play 100 times higher than what you understand.
eDifana
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden11 Posts
November 29 2011 01:14 GMT
#185
That was a long read, but i enjoyed it.

Take care in Sthlm.

Peace
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
November 29 2011 01:16 GMT
#186
thanks for the write - up <33333
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 29 2011 01:18 GMT
#187
My biggest complaint to a great tournament was that the crowd noise was not properly reflected in the VODs. This is something that I REALLY enjoy hearing, because it makes me feel better about e-sports, and if it could be changed, it would be very much appreciated.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 29 2011 01:19 GMT
#188
On November 29 2011 10:07 Pabu wrote:
The problem is that TB does not and has not ever done a GREAT job casting. While he is an entertaining personality that has a lot of fans, he does not know enough about the game to not sound entirely out of his depth. The casters in sports tournaments are retired professionals or respected authorities, and the same is said for 99% of the SC2 casters in the Esports community.
TB can't crack gold league and it shows as he is flustered, repeating things Apollo has said, or clearly making mistakes. While his enthusiasm is good for the game, he lack of knowledge is upsetting to hear as a fan.
TB either commit to the game and become more knowledgeable, or stop casting a level of play 100 times higher than what you understand.


Great first post buddy! Now go leave TL forever.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
November 29 2011 01:21 GMT
#189
On November 29 2011 10:07 Pabu wrote:
The problem is that TB does not and has not ever done a GREAT job casting. While he is an entertaining personality that has a lot of fans, he does not know enough about the game to not sound entirely out of his depth. The casters in sports tournaments are retired professionals or respected authorities, and the same is said for 99% of the SC2 casters in the Esports community.
TB can't crack gold league and it shows as he is flustered, repeating things Apollo has said, or clearly making mistakes. While his enthusiasm is good for the game, he lack of knowledge is upsetting to hear as a fan.
TB either commit to the game and become more knowledgeable, or stop casting a level of play 100 times higher than what you understand.


I disagree. dApollo was fucking ON IT at Dreamhack. Some of the stuff he was saying was just so correct, it was like watching Artosis. Totalbiscuit was the perfect partner, bringing excitement, and doing all the observing (and, it turns out, production). His observing was pretty much faultless from what I saw. I would agree with you a while back when he first started solo-casting things without quite enough knowledge, but I guess jumping in at the deep end you learn quickly. He's still not a top analyst no, but he knows his constraints and personally as part of the duo I couldn't fault him, was really entertainig.
Romitelli
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
November 29 2011 01:32 GMT
#190
As much as I like what Day9 does for esports, he was the reason the caster couch was ruined. Every time Tastosis threw it over to the couch, Day9 always "answered" and went on to do his thing. Considering that the downtime between matches was pretty small, the other casters had no time to express their opinion.
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 01:37:42
November 29 2011 01:37 GMT
#191
On November 29 2011 10:07 Pabu wrote:
The problem is that TB does not and has not ever done a GREAT job casting. While he is an entertaining personality that has a lot of fans, he does not know enough about the game to not sound entirely out of his depth. The casters in sports tournaments are retired professionals or respected authorities, and the same is said for 99% of the SC2 casters in the Esports community.
TB can't crack gold league and it shows as he is flustered, repeating things Apollo has said, or clearly making mistakes. While his enthusiasm is good for the game, he lack of knowledge is upsetting to hear as a fan.
TB either commit to the game and become more knowledgeable, or stop casting a level of play 100 times higher than what you understand.


WOW. HE MAKES A BLOG ADMITTING HIS FAULTS AND YOU HAVE TO BE A DICK AND BASH HIM.
In his own blog too!
Don't be a Negatron!! Be an OPTIMIST PRIME YO!!

Anyways TB, don't worry, the Beast is beautiful too! You are in fact a prince of E-Sports just waiting for some love!!
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
proofy
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada283 Posts
November 29 2011 01:45 GMT
#192
Great blog TB, thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work!
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
November 29 2011 01:47 GMT
#193
I seriously do not know how you find the time to do this. You are one of those people that puts out content almost every day, you are on every post/thread I see, you cast live events and still manager to write tomes in recap.

You sir, impress me.
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
borny
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China481 Posts
November 29 2011 01:51 GMT
#194
nice write up and I think you did a great job at the event TB.

One tip though, you write huge walls of texts which are really annoying to read. Maybe you can separate it into smaller paragraphs?
Naniwa . July . Morrow . ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Go STARTALE!
Garfunko
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada121 Posts
November 29 2011 01:53 GMT
#195
Keep it up TB, you're helping SC2 grow and disregard the noobs. They're just jealous they dont have your job and your awesome accent
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
November 29 2011 02:13 GMT
#196
I thank you for all the casting you did, got me through work one day, watched it all day on my ipod
Seanza
Profile Joined November 2011
171 Posts
November 29 2011 02:13 GMT
#197
You make some valid points, and the flaws and positives you share are priceless pieces of information for me personally. I'm constantly scouting forums, streams, talkshows, podcasts and vods to gather information on how to improve events in esports so that I can do my best to nail it every time I run one.
sirdharma
Profile Joined January 2011
France7 Posts
November 29 2011 02:44 GMT
#198
Great write-up.

I agree with TotalBiscuit on both the quality of the production and the awkward stage him and Apollo were set up on.

I would like to point out that good production is of great value during the event, but also afterwards when people start to watch VODs. There was no unified overlay presentation amongst the three stages and I think that denotes of a lack of seriousness from the event organizers. I would love to have the same overlays everywhere, with the name of the event, the score, whether it is a BO3, BO5 or BO7, etc...

I also felt a bit sorry when I saw TB and Apollo's stage compared to the other ones. The schedule was a bit messy as well, even for the casters, and I found the lack of official communication regarding the schedule confusing.

Please don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed this Dreamhack, and I am just trying to point out a few things that could have been a lot better with very little effort involved.

Kudos to TB and Apollo for the awesome cast, I really like you as a pair more and more. I like that you recognize your flaws and don't pretend to be ultra-analytic when you know you can not. Like you said, you bring that something else to the cast that is not just analysis but also a hell of a show !

Cheers
On the road
blacksmithwolf
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia13 Posts
November 29 2011 02:44 GMT
#199
i really enjoyed the cast tb. i think the pairing of you and dapollo, it adds something the other casts didn't have. in professional sports there is very rarely all ex pros in the commentating booth because they need someone who is entertaining and trained in broadcasting to add variety and excitement. why not model e-sports commentary on tried and tested teams.
fat floating space octopus ftw.
flying siege tanks please
blacksmithwolf
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia13 Posts
November 29 2011 02:47 GMT
#200
also the constant bitching in the chat of "what is he even doing here, his gold league" was getting annoying. they had a choice or 3 different casting teams and chose to watch yours so either mute it or dont watch.
flying siege tanks please
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