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Dreamhack Winter Post-mortem - Page 9

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Sphen5117
Profile Joined September 2011
United States413 Posts
November 28 2011 22:24 GMT
#161
Mr. Biscuit, I would like to simply state that your continued attention to this thread and communication with the community is commendable. I hope your future with SC2 is bright. The day SC2 lands on a consistent television channel, it would be a damned shame not to have your persona right next to Tastosis, Day9, & co.
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 22:26:02
November 28 2011 22:25 GMT
#162
Just read the whole post, saw it earlier today and didn't have the time for a post that long, but having read it it was well worth the time.

I have to say I completely agree with you on almost every point, especially about the casting couch. A few too many people on it I guess, and every time it cut to the couch I was just wanting to hear what Artosis had to say, and I agree you'd make a better fit in a presenter role than on the couch. Three would be about right I think, you're right on that point.

Only thing I wasn't entirely sure about was what you're saying about koreans (skill) vs story & drama:

Undoubtedly the skill on display was phenomenal but tell me, was that final good because the players were Korean or because of the story of those players?


A story helps, for reasons you've described. It being high level play helps more than I feel you give credit though, as our expectations have raised; go back and watch some games from GSL in 2010 and they just feel....bad. But they were great at the time.

Though the main thing which made the finals that good was that they were close, high-tension, action packed games (not a gsl 4-0 finals). The games were just entertaining.


Lastly, I think you worked really well with dApollo. I saw you cast that first i-series lan tournament with him aaaaages ago and I wasn't impressed I'll be honest, but the two of you have made incredible progress since then. You fill your roles really well, it's really natural now.
Logan_ps
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
November 28 2011 22:40 GMT
#163
Really great write up. Thought you and the rest of the casters did an awesome job. It was the first event that really has given me chills - I even filled up at the climax :D
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
November 28 2011 22:41 GMT
#164
Nice blog TB. I wasn't a fan a while back, but as you said your game knowledge has improved and I think it's a big part of why I like your casting more now so keep it up.
fenixauriga
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden205 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 22:54:30
November 28 2011 22:53 GMT
#165
Great write-up. The Dreamarena really was a lot more packed then the stream made it seem like, just check out SVT:s VoDs for the finals http://svt.se/dreamhack they had a lot better camera angles and production in general; it gives a lot better perception of how large and energetic the crowd was. TB keep improving your casting mate you're getting better and if ever you're unsure of something regarding analysis just do what djWHEAT does so well and simply ask your more analytical counterpart(although like you said yourselves there haven't been a lot of "stupid mistakes" as of late) . Top Hat fighting!

PS: Thanks for having your picture taken with me man
If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it? - Einstein
Floflo76
Profile Joined November 2011
France1 Post
November 28 2011 22:58 GMT
#166
Your post was absolutely honest and precise in many ways, even if you tend to much on devaluing yourself.

I went to the DreamHack this last weekend and it was my first real encounter with professional e-sport. I have to say that I was really impressed by the venue and the quality of the tournaments.
The SC2 was well represented with this fine team of 6 casters which all have their qualities and flaws.
As your casting duo with dApollo is concerned, I must say that you're completing each other. You're the showman and Apollo is the technical adviser. In France, we have a casting duo which are functioning the same way, Pomf & Thud to name them, and even if theirs VOD are much less technical than any other casts, it's a working duo. They're even bringing more and more people to the esport.
But back to your duo, I must say I was really impressed by your tenacity in your spot on the venue. It was really noisy and difficult to sit, but you still gave so much energy on the 3-day run that we should be asking ourselves, how they did it ?

I've one question about your co-caster Apollo. I saw him making a lots of notes during the games in his notepad. What is he writing precisely ? The good and bad decision of players, the BOs, or other things ?

As I'm not a native English-speaker, I didn't perceived negatively any of your cast before I saw this post. And I still don't. I think you've all the qualities required to be one of the best caster and that you should continue in this way.

The DH had showed me what is a real esport event and I definitively hope to be there on the DHS12 to see more of this epic stuff !
Rk0
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 23:25:36
November 28 2011 23:24 GMT
#167
Great blog, even though you're not an analyst like day9 and some of the others, I still enjoy your casting a lot. You are an honest caster and I feel that you are a better caster if it comes to new people trying to watch starcraft 2. All of the other casters really go deep into the builds and anaylse something that new spectators have no clue whatsoever about.
You did an awesome job there and you're an awesome combination with Apollo. Even though you think you're not much of a value on the couch I do think you should be there, maybe not to analyze all the builds but you do understand a lot of the mechanics and it should give you even more experience to grow more into something that you like I did agree that you and mr bitter both were put into a little awkward conversation with people really going deep trying to analyze the game but I think you guys should've not spend that much trying to analyze but more look at the surrounding factors of the game. Sure analyzing is something important but in my point of view it was a little bit too much.

And like the person also said above and I must agree with that: You're a really good entertainer which is important as well!
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 28 2011 23:29 GMT
#168
Haha I tried reading this whole thing in TB's voice XD kept cracking me up

Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
November 28 2011 23:32 GMT
#169
On November 29 2011 02:07 SolidMustard wrote:
Show nested quote +
However, on camera it was all analysis and let's be honest, what place do I have there alongside Day9, Bitter, Tastosis and Apollo? What can I offer in that scenario? Nothing at all. I also think 4 might be too many, I noticed Bitter was having trouble getting airtime as was I (though that is my fault for having nothing of value to offer to the discussion)


So you think you're not legit as a caster ? tbh I think it's true but it's weird to me that you're pointing that out yourself.

Great write-up anyway, 5/5

Made me respect him alt more. Knowing your own limitations is quite rare. Good play by play and smooth camera movement plus wit.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
kldfg
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany59 Posts
November 28 2011 23:33 GMT
#170
I've never believed that Koreans are required for a good tournament and with European players beating Koreans on a regular basis as well as exhibiting a wide variety of interesting playstyles, I believe an exciting and dynamic tournament is driven primarily by European involvement.


Absolutely! Thanks for putting this into such clear words.
Besides, excellent blog, and you do a great job of casting. No 'but's.
No Quote.
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
November 28 2011 23:35 GMT
#171
Nice analysis, for me the biggest issues on day 1 and 2 were the damn stream lag, it really killed the game for me. (Video and sound jitters, not sure if it was twitch.tv in europe or something to do with dreamhack but it makes the current event in my home country seem like a farce.
You guys should seriously start to think about forming a caster's "union", to make sure you can get contracts written with proper break times at enough intervals so you're not dying on stream, getting a lawyer or solicitor or whatever to go over contracts etc. 'cause esports is srs bznz.
So there we go, firstly sorry for the silly tropes/memes I did, and secondly I hope you enjoy "my" beautiful city even if it's almost the darkest time of year.
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
Mpq
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden18 Posts
November 28 2011 23:36 GMT
#172
Excellent job as always in my opinion.
And as far as i am concerned you dont need to improve your analytical side. Work with what you got, and what you got is a unique niché (compared to the other 5 who was there)

Afterall, crowd enjoyment is based on the caster-duo's performance. Apollo's strenghts + yours makes for top notch quality.
The biggest improvement you guys can do is to become a true casting archon, perfectly synced and working on eachothers strenghts. Which only time and practice will do for you.

And for bringing more people into watching starcraft 2, no one would do a better job.
timmc
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia16 Posts
November 28 2011 23:37 GMT
#173
Nice post TB. While your lack of knowledge is frustrating at times compared to Day 9, Artosis etc, at least you can admit that. And your own humerous style of casting definitely would help to attract new players to the game.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
November 28 2011 23:39 GMT
#174
Really great blog and loved your honesty about everything. Once again your casting was excellent with Apollo and you both continue to improve tournament after tournament, I didn't catch that much of your casting at this DH because the sheer amount of games but what I heard it was to a particularly high quality, as usual. The couch was a little awkward to say the least and I knew you could feel it too, although not that noticeable. What input you had on the games though I felt added to the conversation nicely and wasn't at all out of place so great job and I am glad to see you are honest about it all. You are winning over your worst enemies TB with every tournament you cast, keep up the good work! <3
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
November 28 2011 23:46 GMT
#175
Great post TB. I have always admired your honesty even though sometimes I completely disagree with you.

In your shoes, I would have really push the issues of getting breaks because as you said, casting can make good games bad and bad games good. It is also your responsibly to get the names of the sponsors out to the thousands watching so in a way, the casters are just as important as the players.
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
November 29 2011 00:17 GMT
#176
excellent as ever TB, looking forward to the next invitational
Chill Winston......
Snyper945
Profile Joined February 2011
United States13 Posts
November 29 2011 00:34 GMT
#177
Great read! Just one thing... Please try not to be to hard on yourself, you may not be the most analytical caster or most knowledgeable about the game, but you have something no other caster has... You! You have an amazing ability to make the game super awesome and interesting in a unique and very enjoyable way.

<3
Your fan,
Jesse
Narf!
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
November 29 2011 00:39 GMT
#178
You've always been one of my favorite casters. I thought you did a great job at Dreamhack. This blog makes more awesome.
Hello
trancey
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
November 29 2011 00:40 GMT
#179
Great read, Mr. Biscuit.

Being one of the WoW followers that transferred to SC2 when it was in Beta, I feel like you bring a fresh and more comedic casting tone to casual / newer players than catering to the experienced SC2-goer. I would like to keep hearing you cast major events in the same fashion you did here, on a smaller stage on stream, but Emcee the finals with Day9 while he leads a coach discussion with two other analysts.

When it comes to charisma, eloquence, and out-right entertainment through expression of excitement... Only you and Day9 have the ability to enthrall fans from the majority skill-level (being Platinum and under) that can't be matched by any caster in the SC2.

You were great for the parts I tuned into, the first thing I did when I noticed the three Dreamhack streams was search for you r stream with Apollo. Something about British commentary has always fascinated Americans.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8305 Posts
November 29 2011 00:44 GMT
#180
Skimmed it, but I've got to say man you are WAAAAAY too hard on yourself.

Sure, you don't bring the same the same thing to the table that Day[9] or Apollo do. But why should you? If you were just another guy who tried (fruitlessly) to be like Day[9] or Tastosis, nobody would respect you. But you do add SOOO much to it. Like the casting couch, "are you reaaady for the finaaaaaalllls?", that's fucking AWESOME and it is ENHANCED because of your presence on the couch. In plenty of other coach's corner situations there is the guy that is mostly there to add some extra flavor to it, which you do extremely well, and though you might not add "much" to the analysis, it's still something. I dunno, I just think saying "I should not have been there" is silly. I read past that to the hosting part and I agree that you'd make a great host too, but I wouldn't give up on the casting idea is all.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
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