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Dreamhack Winter Post-mortem - Page 11

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Pabu
Profile Joined November 2011
5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 03:06:18
November 29 2011 02:59 GMT
#201
I never said anything against Apollo. He is a wonderful caster, entertaining and a great player. TB is entertaining, but knows so little about the game that it detracts. Don't be a negatron? Is that what you say to criticism? How incredibly inane and blind. If you cant take well constructed, polite criticism then you have problems as a public figure and as a community.

Edit: watch this and see that im not the only one who feels this way.
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
November 29 2011 03:10 GMT
#202
moar paragraphs plz
blacksmithwolf
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia13 Posts
November 29 2011 03:14 GMT
#203
i count roughly 100+ people who liked his performance and see a place for him in pro sc2 and one who doesnt. if he turns off the stream in future then it will make 101 people happy
flying siege tanks please
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
November 29 2011 03:29 GMT
#204
On November 29 2011 02:08 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2011 02:07 SolidMustard wrote:
However, on camera it was all analysis and let's be honest, what place do I have there alongside Day9, Bitter, Tastosis and Apollo? What can I offer in that scenario? Nothing at all. I also think 4 might be too many, I noticed Bitter was having trouble getting airtime as was I (though that is my fault for having nothing of value to offer to the discussion)


So you think you're not legit as a caster ? tbh I think it's true but it's weird to me that you're pointing that out yourself


I am not legit as an analyst, but have never claimed to be one to begin with. There is more to public speaking than just game knowledge.

There is, but at the same time, I think most people are looking for game knowledge when discussing sc2. Games seem much more meaningful when you have casters whose game sense you trust explain to you what/why something is happening.

I'm watching IPL right now and CatsPJs analysis is really bad/wrong quite often, but he does have a good personality so I've kept watching.
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
lorcasTV
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 03:46:50
November 29 2011 03:46 GMT
#205
Didn't have time to read all of it (will do so tomorrow when I have some sleep in) but for the couch thing you are spot on. 4 people is too much... or at least 4 trying to do the same thing. I think a 3 person analytical core and 1 person being the host of the discussion might work a lot better. The formula resembles a lot what we have in sports broadcast where a host asks questions and the 3 kind of debate on the answer. Why not 2? because we hate ties in arguments

Well, off to bed I got. Congrats on that awesome weekend, you guys all did a terrific job!
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
November 29 2011 03:57 GMT
#206
what a blog =) enjoyed it 5/5
http://twitch.tv/desrowfighting http://twitter.com/desrowfighting http://facebook.com/desrowfighting
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 04:10:21
November 29 2011 04:06 GMT
#207
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 29 2011 11:59 Pabu wrote:
I never said anything against Apollo. He is a wonderful caster, entertaining and a great player. TB is entertaining, but knows so little about the game that it detracts. Don't be a negatron? Is that what you say to criticism? How incredibly inane and blind. If you cant take well constructed, polite criticism then you have problems as a public figure and as a community.

Edit: watch this and see that im not the only one who feels this way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7DMKDyoSAs


TB said it himself, there is more to casting than just game knowledge and I agree with him. You can know everything there is to know about SC2, but if you cannot work properly with your co-caster or lack the ability to make things exciting or anything of the sort, I would not care to tune in to your games.

I personally would like TB to continue working on his strengths rather than become a analytic caster, because we already have many analysis-type casters like Artosis and Apollo who are well-praised, so competing against them (sort to speak, not sure if casters compete with another) would be difficult.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
November 29 2011 04:31 GMT
#208
Several of us said that we'd love what we said on the couch during the games to be like a directors commentary, an alternate stream or some kind of bonus because I think people would have enjoyed (as well as have been a little offended) by the stuff we said. However, on camera it was all analysis and let's be honest, what place do I have there alongside Day9, Bitter, Tastosis and Apollo? What can I offer in that scenario? Nothing at all

Kudos for saying that outright. I loved the idea of the between-game analysis, but it wasn't executed as well as it could have been. In the end it felt a little forced - each caster essentially delivered a one liner, and as you say, yours was typically a token effort. I would have much preferred some more in-depth discussion from the high level analysts, e.g., a play-by-play of key segments of the game. Having said that, I thought you did a good job as commentator, and this is a wonderful write-up!
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
wbirdy
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Singapore335 Posts
November 29 2011 04:34 GMT
#209
absolutely loved your casting TB, looking forward to more great casts from you!
become legendary
Hostile
Profile Joined September 2010
United States49 Posts
November 29 2011 04:41 GMT
#210
Great post-mortem. I was only able to watch two or three games live and only caught the VODs from the semi-finals on but you brought up the things I thought most people wouldn't talk about which were the crowd size actually looked small or the venue too big and the terrible host.
History's Strongest Disciple
Serek
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom459 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 05:13:15
November 29 2011 05:12 GMT
#211
+ Show Spoiler +

On November 29 2011 11:59 Pabu wrote:
I never said anything against Apollo. He is a wonderful caster, entertaining and a great player. TB is entertaining, but knows so little about the game that it detracts. Don't be a negatron? Is that what you say to criticism? How incredibly inane and blind. If you cant take well constructed, polite criticism then you have problems as a public figure and as a community.

Edit: watch this and see that im not the only one who feels this way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7DMKDyoSAs



So that's why you hide a newly created account?
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
November 29 2011 05:18 GMT
#212
anyone who doubts totalbiscuit as genuine and passionate about starcraft should read this blog and be enlightened.
great write up, TB
thanks
moo...for DRG
Zirith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada403 Posts
November 29 2011 05:20 GMT
#213
Really enjoyed all of the casters at dream hack, I feel a bit bad for that host, he seemed really out of place. Another tournament hurting my study time and first final starts in literally a week omg...
Artosis: "I don't trust hyenas."
Garfunko
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada121 Posts
November 29 2011 05:37 GMT
#214
how old is that clip from sotg?
Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
November 29 2011 05:50 GMT
#215
Finally took the time to read the entire thing and found it very interesting and insightful, from my perspective as a stream watcher the main issue I had was the regular stream lag (and I am talking really bad lag I once saw only 4 frames in a 15min long game for example). But! the finals made me forget all about it, that was without a doubt the best finals in sc2 history and we are not even talking in the same ballpark. I would also add that I don't think you felt all that out of place on the couch with the other guys, despite what the small and loud group of haters may think shoutcasting has a place in every possible situation. As for Bitter I think its up to him to take up more space and day9 so naturally takes up so much space that others just have to assert themselves (not dissing day9 he is just such a big personality and has so much to say).

Overall a great tournament with a finals that almost had me in tears, great job TB and I hope you continue as EU needs you!!!
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
November 29 2011 06:00 GMT
#216
y all did a great job at Dreamhack, there will always be room for improvement, I'm glad u look at that even though it was such an awesome event

"only the need for meaning changes how you feel about what you see" "he who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life" "being a Rebel is as stupid as to be completely Obedient"
estrion
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands18 Posts
November 29 2011 07:08 GMT
#217
you did an awesome job, though i do see some lack of knowledge, but nothing that can´t be changed. i get that is this is par-time for you but i would love to see you go full time, even though that is hard to realize. keep on rocking and hope to see you in other tournaments
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
November 29 2011 07:12 GMT
#218
Great work at Dreamhack TB, I become a bigger fan everytime I see you cast. You and Apollo have such a great chemistry, its quite a pleasure to watch. Speaking of which, I know we can catch more of you on Shoutcraft, but I was wondering if anyone knew if Apollo does anything on a regular basis(other than these big tourneys) so that we could also watch and support him?
Jieun <3
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-29 07:27:24
November 29 2011 07:26 GMT
#219
Nice, with this post and the article by one of the guys responsible for esports at dreamhack (on rakaka.se, in swedish) there are some things to improve upon to the next event.

It will only get better and better!
I am not young enough to know everything.
GosuNinja
Profile Joined July 2011
United States127 Posts
November 29 2011 07:37 GMT
#220
My good man TotalBiscuit; I watched some of your casts on youtube a while back and of course immediately compared you to tasteosis, making my opinion of you a negative one. I did enjoy your voice and your choice of words but the analysis wasnt there, so i lost interest. However after reading this "spotlighting" post (i probly never would of found/read it otherwise) I have discoverd another side to you. You seem to know a ton about casting in general and i agree with you that the entertainment of live events have a lot to do with the personality of players / casters. So on that note you can sign me up as a fan .

Also i watched that incontrol hate video (i hate incontrol) and that just makes me like you more because i realized how much shit you have to put up with. So keep up the hard work man i will be keeping my eye out for you in the future!
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