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So first of all, I'd like to make clear that this in no way, shape, or form reflects the balance at the highest level of play right now - that being code S. But because of all the outrage there seems to be and basically ladder woes seeping into just about every LR/HotS thread, I thought I'd do some research and see if I could convince people that in fact, win rates in code S have nothing to do with balance at your level, whether you be GM (unless korean), master, diamond or lower. That if you had started out as another race, there is no guarantee where you would be right now.
Now the stats I'm going to pull out are really straight forward, and anyone can check them out for themselves. They're taken off of sc2ranks.com, and it's basically a number of GM terrans, zergs, and protoss. Also I'd like to note that they don't add up to 200, but that doesn't really matter.
NA GM:
73 terran
71 protoss
71 zerg
EU GM:
70 terran
76 protoss
68 zerg
KR GM:
83 terran
76 protoss
58 zerg
EU and NA ladder seems pretty damn even across the board, and 5 or 6 people off doesn't really mean much because there's going to be an unknown error where some people with GM MMR aren't actually GM.
Some things I didn't take into account - which majority is at the top, middle, and bottom? Why did I note include this? Because it doesn't really matter because ladders don't really indicate who's the best to begin with even if you're at the top. Also, we don't know how many people play each race, and that could also be a hinder to these statistics, but let's just assume that an even number of players play each race.
So what have we learned? KR is imbalanced and they should be removed from sc2 obviously. It's funny how one little portion of a peninsula can be so skewed. If korean players were removed, the game would almost seem balanced. In fact, it seems like internationally all the best players are zerg and protoss. There's select and thorzain of course, but I still can't help but feel the zergs and protoss are ahead internationally. I guess for the most part what I'm trying to get across with this blog is why korean terran dominance doesn't affect you.
Edit: For those of you not satisfied with a small sample like GM
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NA Masters:
~3800 Terran
~4000 Protoss
~4200 Zerg
EU Masters:
~2800 Terran
~3100 Protoss
~3000 Zerg
KR Masters:
~1300 Terran
~900 Protoss
~900 Zerg
  
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2011 12:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:
So first of all, I'd like to make clear that this in no way, shape, or form reflects the balance at the highest level of play right now - that being code S. But because of all the outrage there seems to be and basically ladder woes seeping into just about every LR/HotS thread, I thought I'd do some research and see if I could convince people that in fact, win rates in code S have nothing to do with balance at your level, whether you be GM (unless korean), master, diamond or lower. That if you had started out as another race, there is no guarantee where you would be right now.
Now the stats I'm going to pull out are really straight forward, and anyone can check them out for themselves. They're taken off of sc2ranks.com, and it's basically a number of GM terrans, zergs, and protoss. Also I'd like to note that they don't add up to 200, but that doesn't really matter.
NA GM:
73 terran
71 protoss
71 zerg
EU GM:
70 terran
76 protoss
68 zerg
KR GM:
83 terran
76 protoss
58 zerg
EU and NA ladder seems pretty damn even across the board, and 5 or 6 people off doesn't really mean much because there's going to be an unknown error where some people with GM MMR aren't actually GM.
Some things I didn't take into account - which majority is at the top, middle, and bottom? Why did I note include this? Because it doesn't really matter because ladders don't really indicate who's the best to begin with even if you're at the top. Also, we don't know how many people play each race, and that could also be a hinder to these statistics, but let's just assume that an even number of players play each race.
So what have we learned? KR is imbalanced and they should be removed from sc2 obviously. It's funny how one little portion of a peninsula can be so skewed. If korean players were removed, the game would almost seem balanced. In fact, it seems like internationally all the best players are zerg and protoss. There's select and thorzain of course, but I still can't help but feel the zergs and protoss are ahead internationally.
1. (see bold) can't do that
2. smurfs
3. ladder doesn't really mean much for ??? (i don't know what your goal was in putting these statistics together, but ladder probably doesn't mean much for that)
4. what is your conclusion? you've provided data and wrote some words and said something about kr and mentioned some foreign players
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Maybe you could read the first 2 paragraphs? Basically that anyone at a non code S/A level who says they would be higher ranked or win more often if they were playing an imbalanced race (according to code S statistics) is full of shit.
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Don't forget that some high-level terran players (e.g. MarineKing) have several accounts (I think he has like 5?)
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How many of those accounts belong to the same player or belong to a team? GM is a questionable source of statistics since there is no limit to the amount of accounts imo!
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On October 24 2011 12:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Maybe you could read the first 2 paragraphs? Basically that anyone at a non code S/A level who says they would be higher ranked or win more often if they were playing an imbalanced race (according to code S statistics) is full of shit.
I did.. but linking the ladder race counts for each race doesn't speak to that at all. also who are these players that are saying they would be higher ranked if they played terran? I think that is just a joke people say like "gah i should have played terran"
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On October 24 2011 12:53 Probe1 wrote:
How many of those accounts belong to the same player or belong to a team? GM is a questionable source of statistics since there is no limit to the amount of accounts imo!
True, but again, it's really close to even and of course there is an uncertainty, and because there is basically no reason to believe that X race would have a good size more smurfs than another, I'll take the stats for what they roughly are.
Some more interesting statistics:
NA Masters:
~3800 Terran
~4000 Protoss
~4200 Zerg
EU Masters:
~2800 Terran
~3100 Protoss
~3000 Zerg
KR Masters:
~1300 Terran
~900 Protoss
~900 Zerg
On October 24 2011 12:53 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 12:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Maybe you could read the first 2 paragraphs? Basically that anyone at a non code S/A level who says they would be higher ranked or win more often if they were playing an imbalanced race (according to code S statistics) is full of shit. I did.. but linking the ladder race counts for each race doesn't speak to that at all. also who are these players that are saying they would be higher ranked if they played terran? I think that is just a joke people say like "gah i should have played terran"
Umm well, most of them get banned, but anyone who has played on ladder knows how much people will complain about race imbalance. And if you've ever entered certain threads you'd see them. There's a lot of people who think races are imbalanced and that it affects them, and that code S is the place to look at to see which race is favorable.
Also, by shifting through all the lower leagues below diamond which hold the majority of players, it seems like terran and protoss are the most played with terran slightly in the lead and zerg with the least amount of players. This is for only NA, I might update some more stats later on.
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On October 24 2011 12:48 Alejandrisha wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2011 12:43 Itsmedudeman wrote:
So first of all, I'd like to make clear that this in no way, shape, or form reflects the balance at the highest level of play right now - that being code S. But because of all the outrage there seems to be and basically ladder woes seeping into just about every LR/HotS thread, I thought I'd do some research and see if I could convince people that in fact, win rates in code S have nothing to do with balance at your level, whether you be GM (unless korean), master, diamond or lower. That if you had started out as another race, there is no guarantee where you would be right now.
Now the stats I'm going to pull out are really straight forward, and anyone can check them out for themselves. They're taken off of sc2ranks.com, and it's basically a number of GM terrans, zergs, and protoss. Also I'd like to note that they don't add up to 200, but that doesn't really matter.
NA GM:
73 terran
71 protoss
71 zerg
EU GM:
70 terran
76 protoss
68 zerg
KR GM:
83 terran
76 protoss
58 zerg
EU and NA ladder seems pretty damn even across the board, and 5 or 6 people off doesn't really mean much because there's going to be an unknown error where some people with GM MMR aren't actually GM.
Some things I didn't take into account - which majority is at the top, middle, and bottom? Why did I note include this? Because it doesn't really matter because ladders don't really indicate who's the best to begin with even if you're at the top. Also, we don't know how many people play each race, and that could also be a hinder to these statistics, but let's just assume that an even number of players play each race.
So what have we learned? KR is imbalanced and they should be removed from sc2 obviously. It's funny how one little portion of a peninsula can be so skewed. If korean players were removed, the game would almost seem balanced. In fact, it seems like internationally all the best players are zerg and protoss. There's select and thorzain of course, but I still can't help but feel the zergs and protoss are ahead internationally. 1. (see bold) can't do that 2. smurfs 3. ladder doesn't really mean much for ??? (i don't know what your goal was in putting these statistics together, but ladder probably doesn't mean much for that)
4. what is your conclusion? you've provided data and wrote some words and said something about kr and mentioned some foreign players
qft. I agree with Alej, .. I don't see how you can draw many insightful conclusions based on who is in GM at whatever time you decide to do your analysis. To assume that the # of players of each race in GM is actually representative of what the current balance situation doesn't seem very accurate to me (hence masters + gm is used in balance analysis by blizzard). I'm also a little confused about the purpose of this... are you just wanting to throw out the old "P and Z so op!" or something...and try to tie some facts to it?
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Consider that the playerbase isn't split in 33% for each race. Comparing the number of GM's on its own doesn't mean anything... Hell, because of the stupid way promotions and demotions happen, I would argue that even if you took general race distribution into account, looking at the number of people in each league doesn't say much about balance.
The "stats" brought up here are interesting in that I didn't know, but they don't "say" anything. They're raw.
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Uhh, maybe I should bold my first sentence because people seem to be missing the point despite me telling you my intentions from the statistics I drew. Basically, statistically outside of korea, the races are balanced and have close to equal representation across all races at GM and Masters and therefore the representation in GSL does not affect you in any way when you play on the ladder.
If the terran domination in korea was indicative of imbalance on international ladders then we would have a gross overpopulation of terrans in masters and GM because the race would be easier to get to the top with. I'm not trying to make inferences on the pro scene and its balance using ladder statistics.
However, despite statistically having terran and protoss as most played and zerg least played from bronze-masters, terran representation in the highest leagues is about equal to zerg and protoss.
Here are the rough numbers for NA players, or rather a ratio of players:
Terran - 1206
Protoss - 1217
Zerg - 977
So roughly 28% of all players on the ladder are zerg, and about 36% of all players are terran and protoss. I'll work on EU and KR numbers in a bit.
Edit: For EU
Terran - 1216
Protoss - 1157
Zerg - 932
So 28% zerg, 37% terran, and 35% protoss.
For KR
Terran - 533
Protoss - 500
Zerg - 367
So 26% zerg, 38% terran, 36% protoss.
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