EPTOne small unimportant thing: If someone said they were going to be a progamer. Wee. Lol. If someone said they were going to be JD/Flash I would rip their head off and laugh.
Answering all the "Can I be a progamer?" ?'s - Page 2
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
One small unimportant thing: If someone said they were going to be a progamer. Wee. Lol. If someone said they were going to be JD/Flash I would rip their head off and laugh. | ||
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Chef
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On October 20 2011 23:06 Chef wrote: I think it will be difficult for you to become a pro since in professional matches the observer makes the map, not the player. Well played good sir. I got a good laugh out of that. | ||
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VTPerfect
United States487 Posts
On October 20 2011 22:28 Probe1 wrote: I watched 75% of the video, enjoyed the Testie quote and very much agree with the sentiments. I don't have anything more to say other than I agree. One small unimportant thing: If someone said they were going to be a progamer. Wee. Lol. If someone said they were going to be JD/Flash I would rip their head off and laugh. Yeah man Bisu Jaedong and Flash are genetically superior in every way, work harder than everyone else and are the closest thing to gods for this entire RTS generation. But alas i wasn't born with spidy fingers and Koreans wouldn't find my face attractive so i wouldn't be talked to. Because of these things if i continue on this doomed path darkness awaits with failure and humiliation, starvation, and poverty. Cruncher was smart and got out early. But when all is said and done, Lashshadow is Lastshadow, Testie is Testie, Flash is Flash, and i am? Perfect. Something Mr. De Cesare can understand. | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
Right because there isnt 2 extra expansions that will probably change the entire game the way BW did to SC with all of 6 new units.... The only ones who fail are the ones who don't even try, and for someone like YOU to pass judgement is laughable. | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:26 Blazinghand wrote: He's saying that if you've got what it takes to be the best, you're just gonna become a pretty good player anyways just from regular play. The kind of guy who goes pro doesn't start thinking about it when he's like, Gold or whatever. He starts wanting to go pro when he's master or GM, because he's so talented that that's how good he'll get from casual play. If you can't get to the high level on your own, without wanting to be a professional, you probably lack the raw talent to succeed. If ordinary play takes you to only silver league, that's who you are-- AND THAT'S OK. Go be an artist or a writer or a salesman and have a happy life. Play sc2. Follow esports. i wouldnt use the word talent here, its very misguiding. its more a case of their natural competitive nature drives them to be pretty damn good even with the flawed play of someone putting in 1-2 hours a day. they are already trying hard, just not putting in the hours. the addition of the hours is what takes them to the next level. the kind of player who is in a lower league just isnt internal competitive enough to drive themselves to be their best, even when they 'dont take it seriously' for someone like me whos in the middle this kinda holds true. im competitive but for me its all about being part of a team, i dont enjoy success on my own, so i lack the drive to push myself in 1v1. leaving me forever diamond :D, there would be no point me 'going pro' as without that internal voice forcing me to evaluate all my solo effort i would never get anywhere near pro level. | ||
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Harrad
1003 Posts
On October 20 2011 23:52 Phenny wrote: Thank you, that was quite informative and insightful. ditto. i liked it a lot. On October 20 2011 23:33 Trowabarton756 wrote: "if you have to ask, you aren't good enough!" Right because there isnt 2 extra expansions that will probably change the entire game the way BW did to SC with all of 6 new units.... The only ones who fail are the ones who don't even try, and for someone like YOU to pass judgement is laughable. i'm certain that, unlike him, you can talk from experience.. | ||
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nekoconeco
Australia359 Posts
On October 20 2011 23:15 VTPerfect wrote: Yeah man Bisu Jaedong and Flash are genetically superior in every way, work harder than everyone else and are the closest thing to gods for this entire RTS generation. But alas i wasn't born with spidy fingers and Koreans wouldn't find my face attractive so i wouldn't be talked to. The Flash, Bisu, Jaedong god worship has become way to much over the last few years. I remember when Flash was rising up there were numerous threads at the time about how pro bw is slowly declining and players like Flash are boring to watch etc. Since sc2 has come out those 3 bw players have taken on some sort of godlike aura in the forums. Its kind of strange since they do lose. On September 06 2011 03:21 ninazerg wrote:There's more to their domination than just playing for hours each day. It's what they did with those hours that's important. Flash and Jaedong are both known for incredible consistency, multi-tasking, and especially, preparation. They both have excellent coaches who understand the game, the maps, and the opponents they have to face, so the preparations they can make for their games are very, very well-done, so when they go to face an opponent, they know what they have to do to win, and have the experience to pull it off, right down to the smallest details. Korean success has more to do with the fact that Korea has produced a strong esports system that doesn't exist in any other country. If the USA or China put the weight of its current sports development programs into esports I have no doubt they would dominate very quickly due to a larger population pool and financing. Also what was with the having to be attractive to live in Korea statement. I have been to Korea and know a number of Koreans and I have never come across this at all. Such a huge generalization toward an entire country is a bit insulting. Of course every country has its share of superficial and shallow people who judge others only by appearance, but I doubt Korea has more than any other country. I mean most pro gaming houses are full of guys are you saying pro gamers like being surrounded by attractive men or something. Or are you saying that sponsors and teams only like to support attractive players? Anyway thanks for the thought provoking video and good luck in your endeavors. | ||
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HardMacro
Canada361 Posts
Get real. | ||
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Gomas
Poland311 Posts
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Harrad
1003 Posts
On October 21 2011 00:32 HardMacro wrote: That "you can achieve anything as long as you put your mind and body into it" bullshit North American schools have been feeding us for the first 12 or so years of our lives, is really evident from some of the post in this thread. Get real. ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xr7rdh2SuIQ/THPCahJOMtI/AAAAAAAAAQg/2a68CZZe828/s1600/TylerDurden3.jpg) User was warned for this post | ||
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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HardMacro
Canada361 Posts
Probably one of my favourite quotes from one of my favourite movies, 99% true except for the greatest depression we've seen in the last 80 years. | ||
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Deleted User 135096
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As a musician I am intimately familiar with dexterity and in training dexterity and speed, and I can tell you without a doubt that someone who is 6'4" will have no physical handicap with regards to 'smaller sized' people and how they can perform when at full potential. As for a few real world examples, Sergei Rachmaninov, one of the most accomplished pianists in his day was 6'6", clearly he shows that he has no limitations in regards to his movements, and I would guess that his hand dexterity would be as fast or faster than any progamer today. Listen to the following recording for more insight. Another virtuoso in Franz Liszt, who was ~6'1" clearly due to his compositions, had no problem with speed, that and his reputed penchant for flare and 'devil like' performance ability. Musicians have shown time and time again concrete evidence on dexterity, whether it be ability, age, size or whatever. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On October 21 2011 00:11 turdburgler wrote: i wouldnt use the word talent here, its very misguiding. its more a case of their natural competitive nature drives them to be pretty damn good even with the flawed play of someone putting in 1-2 hours a day. they are already trying hard, just not putting in the hours. the addition of the hours is what takes them to the next level. the kind of player who is in a lower league just isnt internal competitive enough to drive themselves to be their best, even when they 'dont take it seriously' for someone like me whos in the middle this kinda holds true. im competitive but for me its all about being part of a team, i dont enjoy success on my own, so i lack the drive to push myself in 1v1. leaving me forever diamond :D, there would be no point me 'going pro' as without that internal voice forcing me to evaluate all my solo effort i would never get anywhere near pro level. I disagree strongly with your initial statement. Why wouldn't you use the word "talent"? Being talented is very, very important. If you consider being highly competitive and efficient in your play to not be a talent, then we're just talking past each other since we're using different terms. Being talented at focus and concentration is still being talented. Furthermore, being focused and concentrating well during normal play means that you're able to go even further in your focus and concentration, and achieve even more, if you decided to focus on your play professionally. I daresay that inherently being successful without trying to go pro indicates you are talented regardless as to whether you think that's due to "competitive nature" or that guy just has huge spidery hands or whatever. Talent isn't just physical attributes; it's mental attributes too. Michael Jordan was tall, but he was also able to focus hard on practice and it came to him naturally to do so-- both of these factors played into being talented. | ||
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Trowabarton756
United States870 Posts
On October 21 2011 00:24 Harrad wrote: ditto. i liked it a lot. i'm certain that, unlike him, you can talk from experience.. If you had any idea what this kid was like during his "bw" days youd understand that his "viewpoint" was corrupt from the beginning. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On October 20 2011 20:00 Vortigan wrote: I remember a study on SC BW players where they studied their brain activity during games and as far as i recall the result didn't really show that they processed information faster perse, rather it showed that almost all the decisions where made on instinct. So if for instance a Zerg player goes lurker against a Toss, then the Toss player would as an instinct build observers. You might be thinking about a test on chess players (probably similar in any case). Skilled chess players never even consider or "see" bad chess moves in the same way that a novice chess player doesn't consider or "see" illegal moves. I read about this test in G.E.B. by Hofstadter, which incidentally is a fantastic read for those of you interested in logic. | ||
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ExceeD_DreaM
Canada500 Posts
If you try mad hard, and spend lots of time with some good fundamentals, you CAN become a mediocre progamer. But if you want to be like JD, Flash, Bisu, I will laugh at you. Seriously. There have been people saying JD, Flash, Bisu's progamer god status is too much, or that its an overstatement. Let's get real. BW proscene includes BEST of the BEST progamers. The Middle tier BW progamers are uncomparable in skill to top SC2 progamers as of RIGHT NOW. These progamers ALL try hard, spend lots of time. The S level progamers (JD Flash Bisu) they win approximately 80% of the time, against all races (let's not consider this year's zvz or pvp). Look at past finals, how many finals were dominated by JD and Flash? They are an otherworldly players, and at least couple levels above other Top class progamers. Wanting to become like them is like you want to become Lebron James or Kobe. I think comparing to sports is perfect example. Try hard, and you can become regular starter or bench in NBA (given that you are infact good at basketball..) or in MLB, 4th or 5th starter. You wanting to become like Roy Halladay or Albert Pujols is a complete joke and very laughable. | ||
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Vortigan
Denmark306 Posts
On October 20 2011 20:41 lastshadow wrote: Correct, except the harsh reality is in the progaming world, if you're not a michael jordan, or close to it, you get paid absolutely terribly, and need to rely off the "glamour" (streaming, showmatches, low-scale tournaments) to make money, in which case, you're not a "real" pro-gamer like the Koreans etc. It's like in sc1, you had the icons getting 6-figure salaries, the "just below them" getting higher-five figure, and then the rest getting somewhat mediocre salaries. People also aren't taking into account, to be that extremely good, requires 7days a week of at minimum 8hrs of practice, let alone the VOD/replay watching you do in spare time. fair point but to be fair I haven't seen a lot of these pro gamer blogs where they mention earning tons of money. However, I do agree that it seems a lot of the youngster making these blogs have a very very glamorous idea of what life as a progamer really is like. Being able to practice a minimum of 8 hours daily requires soo many sacrifices. Can't even imagine. | ||
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