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Answering all the "Can I be a progamer?" ?'s - Page 4

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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 21 2011 04:53 GMT
#61
Just watched the video... veryyy nice insight.
But, what about people wanting to go pro and not move to KR?
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
October 21 2011 05:19 GMT
#62
Actually, I do recall that Flash just decided, I want to be a progamer, told his parents about his plans, and then went for it and practiced like a maniac for a month to get his license. But it was a dream that he specifically worked towards, not just an option that arose based on the circumstances. That's what he said in an interview anyway. Then again, there isn't much information on how good he was prior to that, so I could be wrong.

Anyway, I liked your description of the shower and towels. When I first saw my bathroom, I was kind of shocked, like, where is the tub? What if the water gets all over the floor? o__o
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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
October 21 2011 08:02 GMT
#63
On October 21 2011 13:53 mizU wrote:
Just watched the video... veryyy nice insight.
But, what about people wanting to go pro and not move to KR?


They don't really want to go pro, and they don't really know what it is like to be passionate about this game.

Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. People who REALLY want to go pro, sacrifice personal growth, to achieve it.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
October 21 2011 08:35 GMT
#64
On October 21 2011 12:14 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Play hard - go pro. Everything in life is just a matter of practice.

You were like the 1st to last person I expected to say that, given your amount of practice.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Porcelain
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States218 Posts
October 21 2011 08:59 GMT
#65
On October 21 2011 13:53 mizU wrote:
Just watched the video... veryyy nice insight.
But, what about people wanting to go pro and not move to KR?



I agree - Nice insight!

I've always been curious about how progamers handle having relationships and going to Korea, or even the ones that don't go overseas.

I can't imagine dating a pro, even one living in the same country... Seems like a tough life!
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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 21 2011 09:28 GMT
#66
Skill is 20% talent, 80% practice.

Talent decides at what level you start and how high you can go, but only with practice can you really become the best.
However, without talent you can't get above the 80% limit of practice and while you will be very good, you won't be the best. You need both.

For example there are players in bronze that play 10 games a day and don't improve eventhough they try.
I play 5 games a week and i'm in diamond. I don't "practice" either but just play ladder and don't analyze replays and stuff, too.

The mass-gamers in bronze/silver/gold have a lot of practice but lack talent.
I have some - though not really that much - talent but no practice.

If i would practice i might get to maybe 85-90% while the bronze mass-gamer would get stuck at 80% even with coaching, good practice and all.

Of course thats simplified but it shows why people below masters shouldn't even try to go pro. To become pro you need to get above 95% to even come close to compete with the best.

+ Show Spoiler [Skill scale] +

0%: Your mom (Sorry, could not resist)
25%: Average Gold player
50%: Average Masters player
99%: Nestea
100%: Flash/Jaedong/Bisu

Nairul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States262 Posts
October 21 2011 10:55 GMT
#67
Great video -- very honest. Keep it up Nick.
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
October 21 2011 12:06 GMT
#68
Go hard in the paint or go home man.
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0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
October 21 2011 21:48 GMT
#69
I don't think the question is can I become a progamer? I think it's do I believe that I can become a progamer.




Without believing in yourself that you are can become a progamer, how will you fight through many hardships and bad ladder days, and be patient enough like Michael Jordan to unlock your potentials.
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