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(GSL spoiler) The Game That Made Me Stop Playing

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Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 14:16:53
September 12 2011 14:45 GMT
#1
EDIT: I've changed my mind. Check the third page to find out why...


Fairly short and sweet blog post today.

Last night I finally got around to watching the GSL August Finals. I sat through the first game, thought about it for a bit, and decided that I didn't want to play SC2 any more.

The problem is not that the game I watched was bad. The problem is that it was awesome: a titanic back-and-forth TvT with pretty much everything but the kitchen sink deployed at some stage. Ghosts, Nukes, Ravens, PDDs, H/S missiles, landed vikings, siege tanks, thors - I don't remember banshees or battlecruisers making an appearance but that just serves to drive the point home harder: Zerg is fucking boring.

Perhaps it's just me, but ever since release it feels like the overarching theme of the advice and guides for Zerg has been how to use fewer of the tools available to us. If I were to compile them all it would look something like this:

[G] How to play for ten minutes without gas
[G] Hatch tech and you: delaying your lair for fun and profit.
[D] A Fuck-ton of Graphs About Drones
[G] Tunneling Claws, or How to Make Casters Excited About Forcefield Micro While All Your Shit Still Dies
[G] Using Hydras (Now with more Queens!)
[Q] Do I really HAVE to Make Roaches against Hellions?
[G] Good News: You Don't Need Banelings

I concede that there have been rare, rare gems, like the Ultra/Baneling guide. But still the overall sense is that if I'm teching to a unit, let alone building one, I've somehow failed as a Zerg; I should have found a way to do it later, or not at all. The one unit it's proved viable to tech towards with the slightest urgency is the infestor, which is in the process of being nerfed. I actually made a joke post in response to someone saying that the FG damage nerf wasn't enough and that NP range should be reduced to six. I parodied the suggestion thus:

"Sometimes my Colossus get neural parasited when I let them wander around unattended. I don't want that to happen any more."

What happens? Within the week Blizzard start toying with the idea of making it impossible to neural parasite Colossus from any range. A lot of people got very upset, while others talk about how we'll just have to get by without NP now. Well, I'm tired of getting by without. I want my tech tree to be stuffed with cool things that I actively want to cut drones to get hold of. I want a sensibly positioned, sensibly priced and versatile core unit (like a hatch-tech, 1 food, non-light non-armoured plain Bio Hydra with appropriate health and DPS) that I can lean upon while I tech to something funky. I want a unit that can attack while burrowed, and to be able to rush to this tech to catch out a greedy or inattentive opponent. And since there is zero chance of anything like this coming to pass before HotS, that's when I plan - or at least hope - to resume gaming.

Thanks for reading.

***
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
September 12 2011 14:48 GMT
#2
You could just play Terran, if you thought that it was awesome that there was such variety
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
September 12 2011 14:50 GMT
#3
Thats pretty funny actually...now that i think about it, zerg guides are pretty hilarious...

I guess thats what happens if people get the illusion that zerg needs to be drone based, i sitll think baneling bust, roach rushing, muta rushing zergs are the best =P
Jaedong :3
Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 14:52:00
September 12 2011 14:51 GMT
#4
It just goes to show that this bull shit of releasing every race half assed except Terran leads to boring games, I understand its suppose to be "Terrans Expansion" but why do P and Z users have to suffer? Money Grab Much Blizz?(Like oh my god guys, you want new units???!?!?! WELL WAIT FOR HOTS!!!!)
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RuthUnderwood
Profile Joined September 2011
10 Posts
September 12 2011 14:52 GMT
#5
Zerg is pretty boring. The most fun part is making 20 drones at once (and living!).
Of course, they purposefully left some shit out so they can buff the race with it's own expansion pack.
American way-- how did it start? Genocide
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
September 12 2011 14:53 GMT
#6
On September 12 2011 23:48 Hassybaby wrote:
You could just play Terran, if you thought that it was awesome that there was such variety


I'd rather not play at all. Seriously. I've developed such a pathological aversion to the sound of marine-fire that my hotkeys would be too slippery with vomit to hit properly.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Temporarykid
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada362 Posts
September 12 2011 14:54 GMT
#7
So true, but unfortunately I can't just give up like that. I'll still be trying my hardest to get masters from diamond and I'll have to endure the game no matter how much I feel in my heart that broodwar was better.

You're not alone, friend!
ㅈㅈ
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
September 12 2011 14:58 GMT
#8
On September 12 2011 23:53 Umpteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2011 23:48 Hassybaby wrote:
You could just play Terran, if you thought that it was awesome that there was such variety


I'd rather not play at all. Seriously. I've developed such a pathological aversion to the sound of marine-fire that my hotkeys would be too slippery with vomit to hit properly.


Man, screw marines. Go mech every game and giggle when you roast entire bases with 3 hellions
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Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
September 12 2011 14:59 GMT
#9
The sad thing is that Zerg and Protoss are not going to feel complete until after their respective expansions.

Stick it out for a bit longer, try to improve your general mechanics and game sense. They will come in handy later
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bobwhiz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States725 Posts
September 12 2011 15:07 GMT
#10
If you're that upset about this game, you probably do need a break.

I know plenty of people who find Zerg aeshetically pleasing and fun to play.

I do like Terran, but I have friends who love protoss and others who love swarming lots of meaningless units.

Each race requires a mindset.
Signatures are simply a cover for having no personality. -Kiante
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-12 15:12:14
September 12 2011 15:10 GMT
#11
On September 12 2011 23:59 Khenra wrote:
The sad thing is that Zerg and Protoss are not going to feel complete until after their respective expansions.

Stick it out for a bit longer, try to improve your general mechanics and game sense. They will come in handy later


That was part of the 'thinking' bit I did. I decided that:

a) I'm not particularly interested in being better at something I find boring.
b) If HotS doesn't improve the feel and fun of Zerg, I won't have wasted the intervening months.
c) With Rage and Skyrim on pre-order, and Diablo III on the horizon, it's not like I'm going to be starved for entertainment.
d) I'd rather force myself not to play now, while I still kinda-sorta-want to play it, than burn through all my remaining goodwill and sack the game off permanently.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
September 12 2011 15:14 GMT
#12
On September 13 2011 00:07 bobwhiz wrote:
If you're that upset about this game, you probably do need a break.

I know plenty of people who find Zerg aeshetically pleasing and fun to play.

I do like Terran, but I have friends who love protoss and others who love swarming lots of meaningless units.

Each race requires a mindset.


If I gave the impression of being upset, I apologise. It was an epiphany while watching a game, not a rage-quit while playing it.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
September 12 2011 15:19 GMT
#13
If you are bored when playing you need either to get the fun back into the game or have a break.

As a Zerg player, I understand how you feel about other races and why trying terran is impossible for you, Try to get into some team games with some buddies of yours, find new stategies (pylon + overlord => warp zealots in the back of a walled terran base is one of my favorite).
Try to do absolutely stupid things and have fun with it (make 100 banelings and steamroll your opponent).

If you can't have fun playing a game, there's no point playing it. If you don't have fun playing starcraft anymore, have a break and try it back in a week or so.
It ain't over till it's over
Jermstuddog
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2231 Posts
September 12 2011 15:20 GMT
#14
I pretty much agree with your assessment of things and it quite annoys me.

I find myself having less and less of a desire to log in and work on a small aspect of my game when everything seems fucked anyway.

Just this morning I had a great hold against a Terran going banshee/tank/marine all-in. After I obliterate his army what happens? the 4 cloaked banshees that are left go kill my natural hatchery because well... lings and banes can't shoot up...

The best part? I have a spore crawler TOUCHING the hatchery (out of range of course), but I can't get anything else that shoots up out in time to ward them off because:
1) banshees do way too-fucking-much DPS
2) Zerg can't shoot up, that would be imba

It's the simple shit like that that really gets me.

How could Blizzard fuck things up so badly in the first place?
How can they leave it like that for over a year?

SC2 gets less and less fun to play every day for non-T players.
As it turns out, marines don't actually cost any money -Jinro
Sega92
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States467 Posts
September 12 2011 15:20 GMT
#15
then switch races man, I play both zerg and terran, don't quit because you don't like your race, its not like we are locked into the race we play there are other buttons on the multiplayer screen than just the zerg button
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
September 12 2011 15:32 GMT
#16
Well good luck waiting till HotS.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
September 12 2011 15:41 GMT
#17
On September 13 2011 00:20 Sega92 wrote:
then switch races man, I play both zerg and terran, don't quit because you don't like your race, its not like we are locked into the race we play there are other buttons on the multiplayer screen than just the zerg button


As I tried to explain, I feel an almost tangible revulsion at the thought. Maybe after I've had a break for a while I'll feel differently, but right now I'd have too much empathy with any Zerg opponent I faced.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
September 12 2011 15:44 GMT
#18
I think the biggest problem simply lies with the zerg players themselves.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
September 12 2011 15:53 GMT
#19
On September 13 2011 00:44 N3rV[Green] wrote:
I think the biggest problem simply lies with the zerg players themselves.


I think that's probably a very pleasant belief to entertain. How unfortunate that nobody who believes the same has ever switched to Zerg to show us how it's done.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
zappa372
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Chile365 Posts
September 12 2011 16:09 GMT
#20
I loved your blog, and I totally understand the feeling. I like my bw zerg, I want it back
EE HAN TIMING!
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